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EsotericLady -> RE: 7-year-old boy suspended for throwing imaginary grenade (2/8/2013 7:59:46 AM)

I'm afraid I don't know what "unicorn shit" is. But even if the word "unicorn" would have been omitted from your comment, I still don't appreciate your defining my comment as "shit!"
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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

No one is too young these days to learn responsibility for their actions...real nor implied.
I agree with this post.

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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Get real. The school is worried about small kids learning to think of lethal weapons as toys. I'm not sure if suspension is the right answer - perhaps a special lecture or class program would be better - but someone has to tackle this sick neurosis sweeping our country. At least they're trying.
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No one is too young? Really? Frankly that is just unicorn shit. Children are children. It is a biological thing. Believing otherwise will not make it different. A seven year old has not even reached the "age of reason." This is why we call them minors.

Yes, they can learn what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. In this case a time-out would have been appropriate or even being told not to throw imaginary grenades anymore.

I do wonder about the mental competency of the poor widdle teacher(s) who was/were so frightened by an imaginary grenade (something that does not exist) being used in a game to "rescue the world."





BamaD -> RE: 7-year-old boy suspended for throwing imaginary grenade (2/8/2013 8:02:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Alwaysmylove

There are not enough facts out to agree or disagree. While there are oblivious parents, there are also plenty of overreaching administrators.

I'm sorry, but for this kid to get the same punishment as an older kid who bullied a classmate, giving him a concussion that led to seizures and an induced coma says something is seriously wrong with our education system.

Link to the bullying story: http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/bullying-attack-leaves-11-old-coma-213221930--abc-news-topstories.html

(Note the two day suspension)

While I think the suspension was silly I have to ask were both incidents in the same school system?




WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: 7-year-old boy suspended for throwing imaginary grenade (2/8/2013 8:11:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EsotericLady
I'm afraid I don't know what "unicorn shit" is. But even if the word "unicorn" would have been omitted from your comment, I still don't appreciate your defining my comment as "shit!"
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
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ORIGINAL: EsotericLady
No one is too young these days to learn responsibility for their actions...real nor implied.
I agree with this post.
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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking
Get real. The school is worried about small kids learning to think of lethal weapons as toys. I'm not sure if suspension is the right answer - perhaps a special lecture or class program would be better - but someone has to tackle this sick neurosis sweeping our country. At least they're trying.
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No one is too young? Really? Frankly that is just unicorn shit. Children are children. It is a biological thing. Believing otherwise will not make it different. A seven year old has not even reached the "age of reason." This is why we call them minors.

Yes, they can learn what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. In this case a time-out would have been appropriate or even being told not to throw imaginary grenades anymore.

I do wonder about the mental competency of the poor widdle teacher(s) who was/were so frightened by an imaginary grenade (something that does not exist) being used in a game to "rescue the world."

most folks would just think it was harmless fun but even if they think it aint surely suspendin da kid is madness?




Real0ne -> RE: 7-year-old boy suspended for throwing imaginary grenade (2/8/2013 8:28:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Get real. The school is worried about small kids learning to think of lethal weapons as toys. I'm not sure if suspension is the right answer - perhaps a special lecture or class program would be better - but someone has to tackle this sick neurosis sweeping our country. At least they're trying.
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someone has to teach and impart it to the kids.

homeschooling is growing






LafayetteLady -> RE: 7-year-old boy suspended for throwing imaginary grenade (2/8/2013 11:23:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Alwaysmylove

There are not enough facts out to agree or disagree. While there are oblivious parents, there are also plenty of overreaching administrators.

I'm sorry, but for this kid to get the same punishment as an older kid who bullied a classmate, giving him a concussion that led to seizures and an induced coma says something is seriously wrong with our education system.

Link to the bullying story: http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/bullying-attack-leaves-11-old-coma-213221930--abc-news-topstories.html

(Note the two day suspension)



Well, see that is the problem, the other story you mention (which has little to do with this particular post), should have received expulsion and criminal charges. Now he may still face criminal charges, that is yet to be seen.

As for this kid, he had been told two other times about his behavior. So there are repercussions for his actions. As I said, I think overall, suspension is a waste of time. There was a time that kids received detention that included writing lines, cleaning black boards, etc. Now for some reason, schools are no longer able to use those disciplinary actions.




Switcheroo1983 -> RE: 7-year-old boy suspended for throwing imaginary grenade (2/8/2013 11:25:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne






someone has to teach and impart it to the kids.

homeschooling is growing




Yes it is. I see nothing wrong with homeschooling, provided the children are also given socialization scenarios (most are, home-school parents often know each other and plan field trips together).




kanedesade -> RE: 7-year-old boy suspended for throwing imaginary grenade (2/8/2013 11:32:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Switcheroo1983


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne






someone has to teach and impart it to the kids.

homeschooling is growing




Yes it is. I see nothing wrong with homeschooling, provided the children are also given socialization scenarios (most are, home-school parents often know each other and plan field trips together).


There was a bill, here in SC, that would have allowed home schooled kids to play sports for the school they would have gone to, if they were in public schools. I wish it would have passed. Once I have kids, I would love to home school them. I don't want their creativity killed by the time they enter first grade.




cordeliasub -> RE: 7-year-old boy suspended for throwing imaginary grenade (2/8/2013 12:34:40 PM)

Schools are pretty much powerless when it comes to some of the most effective forms of classroom management and discipline. Heck, in the alst district where I taught, it was against policy to use red pens because the red would call attention to errors and hurt their self-esteem. Suspension is about the only thing available in some systems. I loved in-school suspension though - in my system they had to do their classwork, see the counselor, and go through a "behavioral packet" that included lessons on character, respect, etc. We had very few repeat offenders.




DarkSteven -> RE: 7-year-old boy suspended for throwing imaginary grenade (2/10/2013 11:18:54 AM)

More info here.

Evidently, the kid was actually suspended for throwing rocks at other children. For two hours. His mother has gone ballistic, accusing the school of leaking her previous arson convictions. And false reporting. And forgery.

She sounds whacked.




thezeppo -> RE: 7-year-old boy suspended for throwing imaginary grenade (2/10/2013 12:12:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking


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ORIGINAL: thezeppo

It seems like a massive overreaction, and I really don't think any self-respecting school should be punishing its children for using their imaginations. I think in the 21st century kids are growing up a lot faster, and so the cultural studie/ethics type classes should be more prominent from an earlier age. Punishing a kid of 7 for using an imaginary weapon seems like the wrong way to approach this issue, assuming one even exists

It is vital to remember that children are not born with any instinctive moral sense - someone described small children as 'cheerful sociopaths' and I can testify from grade school that that's an understatement. Whatever ethical values we develop have to be learned, and if a child's environment is filled with weapons and violence, go figure. How often have we seen news reports of neo-Nazi parents teaching their kids to ape comments about 'killing niggers and jews'? We can't start on this too early, especially with all the negative influences out there.
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So we agree on the basic principle, we just have different approaches. I didn't think a punishment was necessary for an imaginary weapon, a conversation would have done. Rocks are a different story though, and now I've read a couple of different accounts I'm going to assume this is one of those stories we will never know the truth of.




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