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TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unneede... - 2/8/2013 7:28:16 PM   
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TEApublicans like Paul Ryan and other idiots are pushing for the purchase of 300 new M1 Abrams tanks that even the Army doesn’t want! Cost? THREE BILLION DOLLARS!!!


"We need more tanks - despite what the Army says"




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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/8/2013 7:41:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking as a ex Ranger who never operated within spitting distance of tanks, and honestly never wanted to since those things draw all kinds of unwanted attention... attack choppers, air strikes, arty, enemy tanks, and they kick up a lot of dust.

The Army says they do not need the new tanks.

They agree that it would be nice for the reserve and national guard to have the new tanks, BUT, they dont have the time to train on them to be proficient with the rolling target thingies.

And if the National Guard gets them, what is to stop some Right or Left wing renegade governor from calling them up and starting a new civil war to get an NFL franchise?

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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/8/2013 7:46:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Reserve and National Guard don't need them either.

This is one of my pet peeves. We do NOT have any declared wars. WHY are we paying for armies? Send them all home and save billions. Trillions. Keep the Navy. Keep the Marines. That ensures our borders are secure. And we need the army and air force for.??? Help me out people... I'm not seeing it.

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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/8/2013 7:50:26 PM   
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The pentagon is first...a huge profit center. Even Boehner is trying to keep an unecessary defense manuf. open in his district. Votes, jobs...profits.

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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 2:28:32 AM   
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Here is Obama administration spending. Why to make it a partisan issue? It has been noticed anti-war left activists have suddenly vanished after Obama got into the office. Were they truly anti war or anti republicans?

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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 2:55:34 AM   
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TEApublicans like Paul Ryan and other idiots are pushing for the purchase of 300 new M1 Abrams tanks that even the Army doesn’t want!

Absolute fucking geniuses. And meanwhile...

The U.S. Navy will delay the refueling of the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) for an unknown period because of the uncertain fiscal environment due to the ongoing legislative struggle, the service told Congress... Not only will the Lincoln be delayed in returning to the Fleet, but this decision will also affect the USS Enterprise (CVN-65) defueling, the USS George Washington (CVN-73) RCOH, and future carrier readiness

Source: USNI News

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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 5:33:21 AM   
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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 5:54:13 AM   
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http://itsoureconomy.us/2013/02/the-true-cost-of-national-security/
Here is Obama administration spending. Why to make it a partisan issue?

I keep asking that question. It seems some can't help but try and turn everything into a partisan issue.

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It has been noticed anti-war left activists have suddenly vanished after Obama got into the office. Were they truly anti war or anti republicans?

Don't worry, they will be back the minute we have a republican in the white house.

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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 7:09:00 AM   
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TEApublicans like Paul Ryan and other idiots are pushing for the purchase of 300 new M1 Abrams tanks that even the Army doesn’t want! Cost? THREE BILLION DOLLARS!!!

"We need more tanks - despite what the Army says"


Did you not see where the letter to Leon Panetta (April 20th, not exactly news, btw) was signed by 173 Congresspeople, and that those 173 Congresspeople came from both sides of the aisle? Apparently, now you are also calling some Democrats "TEApublicans." Very easy to see your political affiliation.

Btw, Al Madrigal is f-ing genius. I don't know how some of the people he interviews don't beat the shit out of him or get overcome by fits of laughter. The military person he interviewed looked perplexed as to how Madrigal could be so stupid (sending more tanks to NV just in case it is attacked). I expected him to laugh. The old kook I thought was going to attack Madrigal for making him look completely stupid.

This isn't just a Republican/Democrat issue. It's both sides of the aisle. Yet another instance of Corporatism. CNN did a piece on it, too. It isn't anywhere as humorous, but it did take the story a bit further.

According to General Dynamics, keeping the Lima Tank Plant open until upgrades to tanks start (2017) would cost less than to completely shutter it now, and then reopen it and get it ready for the upgrades. I can't discredit that claim. I have no idea. I can't substantiate it, either, for the same reason. That could be valid, but isn't there a better way to do things? I'm thinking there is. Maybe go with a "General Dynamics" package for the Ford F-x50 series, the Chevy Silverado, and/or the Dodge Ram pickups? That keeps the plant open and the employees working. No, they aren't really making tanks, but they are still making a moving vehicle, or upgrading one at any rate. Keeping it open would be producing something that people might want to buy, instead of sitting them out in the desert. And, when the time nears, the plant could be retooled for the tank upgrades.

And, as further proof that this isn't just a Left/Right thing, consider this:
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    The [intentionally left blank by me] is working hard to make sure that the Abrams program is maintained so our troops continue to have the world’s best battle tank, the taxpayers’ interests are served and decent-paying jobs are maintained. If the Abrams program is idled or discontinued, it is feared its highly skilled and highly specialized workers will by necessity move from the area to take other work to support their families. Once they move, restarting the Abrams program during a national emergency would extremely difficult.
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    "While we were successful in saving the Abrams tank program in 2012, we must continue the fight to preserve the production in 2013,” [Ohio Democrat Senator Sherrod] Brown said. “Ending the Abrams production line would jeopardize our national security, the safety of our men and women in uniform, and the highly skilled workforce in Lima – not to mention that eliminating this program would be more costly to taxpayers than continuing it. That’s why I will continue to push to ensure that the Abrams program remains intact for years to come."


I can understand the point of shuttering and bringing the plant back up, but I do question if it truly does save money to keep running. Couldn't we develop a different vehicle to be produced there that we might possibly have some desire for, rather than continuing to produce a tank that we have 2400 of in use, and 3,000 sitting idle int NV? General Dynamics should have bought the Hummer line from Chevy/Chrysler (whichever owned it). Imagine the Hummer Abrams edition.


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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 7:29:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

TEApublicans like Paul Ryan and other idiots are pushing for the purchase of 300 new M1 Abrams tanks that even the Army doesn’t want!

Absolute fucking geniuses. And meanwhile...

The U.S. Navy will delay the refueling of the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) for an unknown period because of the uncertain fiscal environment due to the ongoing legislative struggle, the service told Congress... Not only will the Lincoln be delayed in returning to the Fleet, but this decision will also affect the USS Enterprise (CVN-65) defueling, the USS George Washington (CVN-73) RCOH, and future carrier readiness

Source: USNI News

K.


Well it may not be too bad since the Navy retired the Enterprise

http://news.yahoo.com/uss-enterprise-carrier-taken-active-211422506.html

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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 9:15:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		For those who have gotten their panties in a twist about the word "TEApublicans" in the OP -

That was a direct quote from the article cited (authored by the Internet site, Americans Against The Tea Party, not from the poster (me).

Can't you read? Or would you require everyone who quotes anything in a post on these Forums to sanitize the original writer's quotes first, in the chance that the original writer's quotes might offend someone's delicate sensibilities here?

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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 9:39:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

When we solve problems by launching a drone armed with a hellfire and killing someone in their bed while they're asleep from 2 miles away, WHY DO WE NEED CARRIERS???



What problem ?

Drones can be launched off of carriers.....





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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 10:00:46 AM   
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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 10:19:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		What we need now is a new array of military consultants to decide when and where the next war and how we could start it that we will need these and the new GD tanks.

I mean it's gett'n tough out here finding a way to stay armed and dangerous in this oh so dangerous world. Maybe we could deploy them all in Pakistan and scare the various Al's and Tal's that they have no hope.

Then of course there's all of that ammo, fuel and personnel they'd need. Looks like no soc. sec or medicaid for the next generations, especially when the real capitalists if they are real men will not have any 'income' to tax...only capital gains and carried interest and at what 15-20%.

Guess we'll just have to go after that lazy good-for-nothing 47% that 'pay no taxes.' It's getting real expensive out here to pay for socialism for the rich and remaining armed to the teeth...both.

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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 10:33:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nosathro


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

TEApublicans like Paul Ryan and other idiots are pushing for the purchase of 300 new M1 Abrams tanks that even the Army doesn’t want!

Absolute fucking geniuses. And meanwhile...

The U.S. Navy will delay the refueling of the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) for an unknown period because of the uncertain fiscal environment due to the ongoing legislative struggle, the service told Congress... Not only will the Lincoln be delayed in returning to the Fleet, but this decision will also affect the USS Enterprise (CVN-65) defueling, the USS George Washington (CVN-73) RCOH, and future carrier readiness

Source: USNI News

K.


Well it may not be too bad since the Navy retired the Enterprise

http://news.yahoo.com/uss-enterprise-carrier-taken-active-211422506.html

Here

You know it has defueling which is nuke and a process as decomm was 12/1/12. Yet we need at least 10 more and here is one. The brand new Gerald Ford class. CVN-80.



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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 10:46:09 AM   
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Look if the Army does not want those tanks, the government could just give them to me. I promise I will behave with them....



I agree.


These purchases are pork.




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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/9/2013 11:16:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
For those who have gotten their panties in a twist about the word "TEApublicans" in the OP -
That was a direct quote from the article cited (authored by the Internet site, Americans Against The Tea Party, not from the poster (me).
Can't you read? Or would you require everyone who quotes anything in a post on these Forums to sanitize the original writer's quotes first, in the chance that the original writer's quotes might offend someone's delicate sensibilities here?


A direct quote from the article cited... but chosen by you, the OP writer. Lemme guess, the selection of the quoted portion in the text of the OP wasn't partisan, either, since it was in the cited text, right?

Had you used the the URL's subject line as the thread's subject line, it would have been much less partisan on your part. And, to not acknowledge it was a bipartisan thing, is certainly leading.

So, no, you aren't to blame at all. You didn't use the title of the article cited as the title of your OP. You didn't use the title of the video you cited, either. All you did was choose to quote that article in a way that supports your political leanings. Nope. No partisan bias on you.

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RE: TEApublicans want to spend 3 Billion dollars on unn... - 2/10/2013 6:40:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

When we solve problems by launching a drone armed with a hellfire and killing someone in their bed while they're asleep from 2 miles away, WHY DO WE NEED CARRIERS???



What problem ?

Drones can be launched off of carriers.....



Drones can be launched off partyboats a lot cheaper... Or one of them.. What're they called. The small ones... Destroyers?...

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