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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/9/2013 2:16:39 PM   
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Our high schools sex ed included:

• Human body (specifically sex organs)
• STD discussions
• How to put a condom on (we put them on a banana)
• Pregnancy
• Birth control

My daughter's high school didn't have sex ed.
Which surprised me since in her 4th grade she had classmates with kids.


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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/9/2013 2:19:06 PM   
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Our high schools sex ed included:

• Human body (specifically sex organs)
• STD discussions
• How to put a condom on (we put them on a banana)
• Pregnancy
• Birth control

My daughter's high school didn't have sex ed.
Which surprised me since in her 4th grade she had classmates with kids.




4th grade? I hope there is something lost in translation here, because to me, 4th grade means age 9-10.
Please tell me that is just a error in my understanding.

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/9/2013 2:22:18 PM   
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4th grade? I hope there is something lost in translation here, because to me, 4th grade means age 9-10.
Please tell me that is just a error in my understanding.


Nope, when she was in 4th grade she had a classmate with a baby and one who got prego at the end of the year. It was sad on so many levels




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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/9/2013 2:23:35 PM   
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4th grade? I hope there is something lost in translation here, because to me, 4th grade means age 9-10.
Please tell me that is just a error in my understanding.


My anatomy teacher's mother is an obstetrician who's youngest patient was 9. She delivered her child.

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/9/2013 5:20:42 PM   
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4th grade? I hope there is something lost in translation here, because to me, 4th grade means age 9-10.
Please tell me that is just a error in my understanding.


My anatomy teacher's mother is an obstetrician who's youngest patient was 9. She delivered her child.


There was a 9 year old, in Mexico, I believe, who just gave birth. The father was 17.....

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/9/2013 6:12:15 PM   
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There was a 9 year old, in Mexico, I believe, who just gave birth. The father was 17.....



You are right, that's been in the news lately. Which is a bit of a mystery to me wondering why it's news that a 9 year old gave birth in Mexico, seeing as how it's happened here in the US without any news stories.

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/9/2013 6:34:57 PM   
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Women are sex so it's just comes naturally. Usually a woman can please any man because they are sex and men have sex. What does sex education teach-just curious?

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/9/2013 6:46:24 PM   
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I remember in 8th grade we had to watch a movie about menstruation, which appeared to have been made in the 60s. In 10th grade we had a sex education class that gave clinical details on reproduction, nothing on STDs, taught us how to find breast lumps and how to put on a condom. That was it.

I remember having a discussion after class, where one of the girls told us that you couldn't get pregnant your first time and another that said she only took her pill when she was planning on having sex.

I guess I should have considered myself fortunate that I had to go to an OBGYN when I was 16 because of PCOS. My doctor was really thorough in her explanations.

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/9/2013 6:50:07 PM   
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Women are sex so it's just comes naturally. Usually a woman can please any man because they are sex and men have sex.



This made absolutely no sense to me and frankly is a crock of shit.

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/10/2013 1:04:43 AM   
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Women are sex so it's just comes naturally. Usually a woman can please any man because they are sex and men have sex. What does sex education teach-just curious?


A. What?

B. Sex education doesn't teach you how to please a man, they don't go over positions and technique. It should hopefully teach about how reprodution works, and refuting any myths kids might have heard. (Such as not being able to get pregnant your first time, or if the guy pulls out before he orgasms, or if you're on your period, or apparently if you don't orgasm.) They should also teach about STD's, contraception, health and hygiene. I'm sure there are other things I can't thinknof right now.

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/10/2013 1:14:38 AM   
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We got it through our health class, it was just a section. That term was the systems, skeletal, muscular, etc. and reproductive. It wasn't about "sex" per se, it simply gave the basics; which gender had which parts, what they did, and how conception occurred. We didn't discuss abstinence, oral sex, masturbation or anything like that. We might have touched on birth control, I don't really remember. I do know that we didn't have a lot of girls getting pregnant during high school though, so I really can't jump to the correlation.

I'm not sure I would have wanted a teacher talking to my son about oral sex and the like though. Of course, I am the "go to" person for him, his girlfriend and many of his friends for the sex questions though, so obviously I talk with him myself.



This is exactly how mine was also. Just part of our health class, very formal about the reproductive system and how it operated but nothing about sex.

I still never had a problem figuring out sex but I have a lot of sisters and a brother who is the oldest of us all. Our conversations are and were never off limits to anything so sex was a normal part of our conversations...who was sleeping with who, which girl my brother was fucking this weekend, etc....yeah, never had a problem with understanding sex lol.

As for someone saying women are sex and it comes naturally to them??? Seriously? Really? Wow. If that's what you really believe, I'm thinking maybe that person needs a sex ed class.


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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/10/2013 1:21:34 AM   
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Anyone ever see that commercial on tv where dad goes to talk to his son about sex and the boy says to dad, "Ok, dad, what is it you need to know?"

Yeah, that was pretty much my daughter when I had the talk with her when she was about 12. Kids who grew up with computers the day they were born pretty much know it all and are exposed to it all every single day. I was actually glad I didn't really need to go into details with her. Made it so much simpler! Everytime I would start talking she would finish my sentences and then would say "mom, really? Maybe I should teach you" hahaha. And then she'd just roll her eyes.

Like LP said, there is no excuse these days for not knowing anything even as simple as this. I mean, you are inundated with sex all day and night long...internet, tv, books, news, etc....it's not like it's that hard to figure out.



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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/10/2013 6:18:02 AM   
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What the Research Says on Female Orgasm and Getting Pregnant

There are two main hypothesis on how female orgasm may help with getting pregnant. One is known as the "poleaxe" hypothesis. This says that the purpose of orgasm in women is to make them feel relaxed and sleepy, so they will lie down after sex. By lying down, this may help the sperm reach their destination more easily.

It isn't clear whether or not lying down after sex can help you get pregnant. In one study that specifically studied orgasm and sperm retention, researchers found that just lying down did not seem to improve sperm retention.

On the other hand, a study of IUI treatment found that women who remained horizontal after insemination were more likely to conceive. (Read more about lying down after sex to improve chances of pregnancy.)

The other theory of how female orgasm may help with pregnancy achievement is called the "upsuck" theory. This hypothesis is that the contractions of the uterus help "suck up" the semen that gets deposited in the vagina, near the cervix. The orgasm then helps to move the sperm through the uterus and fallopian tubes.

One study actually measured the amount of semen "flowback" (how much semen leaked out after sex), and found that when female orgasm occurred a minute or less before male ejaculation, sperm retention was greater. They also found that this retention was higher when the woman had an orgasm up to 45 minutes after male ejaculation.

This study also found that a lack of orgasm or female orgasm that took place more than a minute before male ejaculation led to lower sperm retention.

This study did not, however, look at pregnancy rates. If pregnancy rates are higher with female orgasm, it's unclear by how much.
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Of course, that research does not say orgasm is required for pregnancy.

I have read elsewhere that during the late Middle Ages the necessity of orgasm for pregnancy was widely held in English rape law. If a woman claimed she was raped and became pregnant she must have orgasmed, enjoyed the encounter, and was therefore not raped. If she didn't get preggers it was her word against his. I don't understand why the general population of women, having immediate knowledge of the fallacy, did not denounce such law. But, it was medieval England. The concept was attributed to the second century physician Galen, who otherwise did a lot of remarkable research on anatomy and physiology, and is still honored today.

I incorporated a unit of reproduction and sexuality into my biology class teaching in the mid 1970s. How could i not? I recall inviting a speaker from Planned Parenthood and she demonstrated the use of a condom. My Principal, a devout, conservative Catholic went bonkers, but there was little he could do. My Union was strong on academic freedom. By the end of the decade the Miami-Dade Schools were educating teachers to teach units of sex education. Commendable for the fourth largest school district in the nation, imo, and in a conservative state. Although, at that time South Florida was undergoing historical changes with massive immigration coming from the Northeast and from Cuba/Latin America. The times they were a changing. It was great fun!

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/10/2013 7:35:41 AM   
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So I was chatting with a guy the other day and mentioned that I haven't had an orgasm from just vaginal intercourse. He asked me how it's possible that I have a baby then, did I have artificial. I told him no, and asked him what me having an orgasm has to do with getting pregnant. He tells me I must have just released at the right time with my husband. I asked him, "released what exactly? I don't release anything during sex that makes me get pregnant." He said, "you have to have both." Again I was confused and asked him what he meant. He kept insisting that both the man and woman release something upon orgasm that enables the woman to get pregnant. So I explained how human reproduction worked, with the egg and sperm and monthly cycle. His response was "I know." But he obviously didn't know.

So was he just stupid? A troll? Had some weird kink I've never heard of? Or was the sex education he received in school severely lacking?

Or maybe his wife just convinced him that he had to make her come in order for her to get pregnant. I just don't understand how you could get to be 51 and not understand how reproduction works.


Yes it was. In my school it was basically non existent.


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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/10/2013 8:59:23 AM   
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My daughter's high school didn't have sex ed.
Which surprised me since in her 4th grade she had classmates with kids.


Why surprised? The one follows from the other. There are more studies than I could list showing that good sex education is the best preventer of underage pregnancy.

Of course, none of that cuts any ice with those who believe that you can prevent it by telling kids not to have sex, or that telling them that sex exists will make them go out and do things they never would if left ignorant.

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/10/2013 9:03:34 AM   
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I have read elsewhere that during the late Middle Ages the necessity of orgasm for pregnancy was widely held in English rape law. If a woman claimed she was raped and became pregnant she must have orgasmed, enjoyed the encounter, and was therefore not raped. If she didn't get preggers it was her word against his. I don't understand why the general population of women, having immediate knowledge of the fallacy, did not denounce such law. But, it was medieval England.
You will not be surprised to learn that the theory, and its legal consequence, are still current in Pakistan and large parts of the Middle East.

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/10/2013 9:06:30 AM   
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I have read elsewhere that during the late Middle Ages the necessity of orgasm for pregnancy was widely held in English rape law. If a woman claimed she was raped and became pregnant she must have orgasmed, enjoyed the encounter, and was therefore not raped. If she didn't get preggers it was her word against his. I don't understand why the general population of women, having immediate knowledge of the fallacy, did not denounce such law. But, it was medieval England.
You will not be surprised to learn that the theory, and its legal consequence, are still current in Pakistan and large parts of the Middle East.

Not at all surprised, Leonine. Tragic isn't it?!

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/10/2013 9:08:43 AM   
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Sex education when I was in school was largely a joke and a complete waste of time. I attended public school myself and the emphasis was always on abstinence and nothing else. Talked about STDs, but didnt discuss ways that you can help to prevent them aside from just not doing anything. Learned that boys had penises and girls have vaginas, but God forbid if we discuss anything else beyond that. And lets not discuss the awkward assembly that only all of us 5th grade girls at the time got summoned to to discuss a certain time of the month.

Did the light blue box company give you guys samples too?? Still wonder what people wee thinking to give tampons to a bunch of 9 & 10 year olds. Mom was like umm we can save these for later here is the cotton pony & riding belt I use :) umm yeah made her figure out more modern thin options!!

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/10/2013 9:13:14 AM   
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Funny thread.

I have to say it, though. I don't think a person can blame a poor education from thirty-five years ago as a reason for ignorance. I can't imagine anyone having so little sexual experience, competence, or desire to learn that they would continue to believe such a thing for a minimum of over three decades.



Lack of experience doesn't come into it when it's causes of pregnancy, which doesn't impinge on a man's life all that often. As for desire to learn, I've met plenty of people where that ranged from zero to negative (as in actively resisting any attempt to inform them.)

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RE: Was sex education really that bad in the seventies? - 2/10/2013 9:16:52 AM   
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There was a 9 year old, in Mexico, I believe, who just gave birth. The father was 17.....



You are right, that's been in the news lately. Which is a bit of a mystery to me wondering why it's news that a 9 year old gave birth in Mexico, seeing as how it's happened here in the US without any news stories.

Because in mexico it increases the anti-immigrant "look what kind of people they are" sentiment, when the truth is mexican catholic moms are some of the most strict & protective I have experienced!! Trashy white girls with babies is called toddlers & tiaras, push your dreams on your kid cause you never got a childhood...yep good thinkin to put that on TV

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