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Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 8:44:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've never understood why the political class in the United States so hates the idea of a flat tax but surely they do.


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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 9:26:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		The flat tax will only help the wealthier and force middle and lower income folks to pay more.Been there,done that,got the tee-shirt on that farce.


The other "big idea" isn`t a bad one but isn`t his.


The writers fixation with being "PC" ...or not....gets old quick and then becomes anoying.Probably his own pet peeve or something else just as interesting....


Another note,anyone who I`ve meet who graduated from JHUH was an arrogant elitist jerk type Dr. with all/most of the F-ed traits of such doctors,including an inlaw of mine.


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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 11:06:58 AM   
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The flat tax will only help the wealthier and force middle and lower income folks to pay more.Been there,done that,got the tee-shirt on that farce.


The other "big idea" isn`t a bad one but isn`t his.


The writers fixation with being "PC" ...or not....gets old quick and then becomes anoying.Probably his own pet peeve or something else just as interesting....


Another note,anyone who I`ve meet who graduated from JHUH was an arrogant elitist jerk type Dr. with all/most of the F-ed traits of such doctors,including an inlaw of mine.


Not if done right. The Armie flat tax gave a married couple a 23,000 deduction plus 5000 per dependent.
Family of four paid nothing on the first 33000
The real reason is that it does not allow them to use the tax code for social engeneering.

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 11:07:16 AM   
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I've never understood why the political class in the United States so hates the idea of a flat tax but surely they do.
Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon has two big ideas for America.


Listened to the speech this morning. He said quite a lot of great stuff. I'm behind him on the flat tax thing, and the HSA idea could be worth looking into (it still doesn't seem like it would necessarily effect negative pressure on the cost of a procedure, but he did say there was more to it than what he stated). I really liked how he ended the speech, with his anecdote about the bald eagle.


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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 11:08:17 AM   
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The flat tax will only help the wealthier and force middle and lower income folks to pay more.Been there,done that,got the tee-shirt on that farce.


The other "big idea" isn`t a bad one but isn`t his.


The writers fixation with being "PC" ...or not....gets old quick and then becomes anoying.Probably his own pet peeve or something else just as interesting....


Another note,anyone who I`ve meet who graduated from JHUH was an arrogant elitist jerk type Dr. with all/most of the F-ed traits of such doctors,including an inlaw of mine.


Not if done right. The Armie flat tax gave a married couple a 23,000 deduction plus 5000 per dependent.
Family of four paid nothing on the first 33000
The real reason is that it does not allow them to use the tax code for social engeneering.




You "if" people are a hoot...

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 11:13:17 AM   
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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 11:16:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

The flat tax will only help the wealthier and force middle and lower income folks to pay more.Been there,done that,got the tee-shirt on that farce.


The other "big idea" isn`t a bad one but isn`t his.


The writers fixation with being "PC" ...or not....gets old quick and then becomes anoying.Probably his own pet peeve or something else just as interesting....


Another note,anyone who I`ve meet who graduated from JHUH was an arrogant elitist jerk type Dr. with all/most of the F-ed traits of such doctors,including an inlaw of mine.


Not if done right. The Armie flat tax gave a married couple a 23,000 deduction plus 5000 per dependent.
Family of four paid nothing on the first 33000
The real reason is that it does not allow them to use the tax code for social engeneering.




You "if" people are a hoot...

You "always take more from the wealthy" people are anti-American

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 11:17:43 AM   
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You "if" people are a hoot...


Yep. When has any good idea been "done right". I mean the political class always finds a way to mess everything up, for one reason or another.

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 11:18:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yea, I was thinking why do I pay more for my home insurance than the guy down the block. I think we should have a flat insurance rate for everybody. The risk is after all...equal isn't it ?

The reasons against a flat tax are obvious. Same as insurance premiums, those with more, owning more...have more to lose. Even Adam Smith supported a graduated income tax.

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 11:19:29 AM   
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The writers fixation with being "PC" ...or not....gets old quick and then becomes anoying.Probably his own pet peeve or something else just as interesting....

You'd think he'd be all for that: people being forced to do the mealy mouth by the eebil PC conspiracy means that nobody can call him a retarded cunt to his face in public, after all.

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 11:27:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

The flat tax will only help the wealthier and force middle and lower income folks to pay more.Been there,done that,got the tee-shirt on that farce.


The other "big idea" isn`t a bad one but isn`t his.


The writers fixation with being "PC" ...or not....gets old quick and then becomes anoying.Probably his own pet peeve or something else just as interesting....


Another note,anyone who I`ve meet who graduated from JHUH was an arrogant elitist jerk type Dr. with all/most of the F-ed traits of such doctors,including an inlaw of mine.


Not if done right. The Armie flat tax gave a married couple a 23,000 deduction plus 5000 per dependent.
Family of four paid nothing on the first 33000
The real reason is that it does not allow them to use the tax code for social engeneering.




You "if" people are a hoot...

Everything in government is based on an if.

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 11:32:38 AM   
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Yea, I was thinking why do I pay more for my home insurance than the guy down the block. I think we should have a flat insurance rate for everybody. The risk is after all...equal isn't it ?

The reasons against a flat tax are obvious. Same as insurance premiums, those with more, owning more...have more to lose. Even Adam Smith supported a graduated income tax.

The Armie plan was graduated in that a couple trying to get by on 30g would pay no tax.
The same couple making 133g would pay 17g the more you make the less the deductions matter but for low income people it would mean a great deal.

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 11:35:18 AM   
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Yea, I was thinking why do I pay more for my home insurance than the guy down the block. I think we should have a flat insurance rate for everybody. The risk is after all...equal isn't it ?

The reasons against a flat tax are obvious. Same as insurance premiums, those with more, owning more...have more to lose. Even Adam Smith supported a graduated income tax.

You clearly are confused about the flat tax. It means one rate, not one set tax for everyone.

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 1:35:26 PM   
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The flat tax will only help the wealthier and force middle and lower income folks to pay more.Been there,done that,got the tee-shirt on that farce.


The other "big idea" isn`t a bad one but isn`t his.


The writers fixation with being "PC" ...or not....gets old quick and then becomes anoying.Probably his own pet peeve or something else just as interesting....


Another note,anyone who I`ve meet who graduated from JHUH was an arrogant elitist jerk type Dr. with all/most of the F-ed traits of such doctors,including an inlaw of mine.


Not if done right. The Armie flat tax gave a married couple a 23,000 deduction plus 5000 per dependent.
Family of four paid nothing on the first 33000
The real reason is that it does not allow them to use the tax code for social engeneering.


And what would the rate be to be revenue nuetral and to make the first 23k of income tax exempt? Would that meant that some taxpayers not presently paying the top marginal rate would pay a higher rate (it has to). How big a break would those paying the present top marginal rate get?

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 1:48:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		A flat tax should be just that... a flat tax for everyone. No breaks.. no discounts... no deductions. Every penny generated should be counted as income, not just wages.

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 3:26:30 PM   
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And what would the rate be to be revenue nuetral and to make the first 23k of income tax exempt?



There should be ZERO exemptions...

If you make $5k a year or $500k a year or $500mil, one rate, everybody pays and.... for most people, it would come right out of their pay checks for others maybe it comes out of their dole but the small amount that comes out tends to go back to them ten fold.

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 4:20:42 PM   
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And what would the rate be to be revenue nuetral and to make the first 23k of income tax exempt?



There should be ZERO exemptions...

If you make $5k a year or $500k a year or $500mil, one rate, everybody pays and.... for most people, it would come right out of their pay checks for others maybe it comes out of their dole but the small amount that comes out tends to go back to them ten fold.

So it would be an entirely regressive tax. That would mean that it would hurt the poor drastically while the rich would get a massive reduction in taxes.

How is that good for the nation? Why would anyone but the mega wealthy think it is a good idea to further concentrate the nation's wealth in the hands of the top 1%?

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 6:33:54 PM   
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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 8:08:20 PM   
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What Ken said... Because we all know the 1% don't buy the same groceries as the 99%, they grow them on trees... And we all know it's the 99% that buys those million dollar houses, and automobiles... Let's not forget all those limousines, and jet airplanes, the 1% grow them too. They never spend any of their money, everything is just handed to them on a 99% skin platter.

Do they spend the same percent of their income as those who make less? Who stimulates the economy more, 50 families that make $50k or 1 family that makes $2.5M?

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RE: Ben Carson for President? - 2/9/2013 9:15:04 PM   
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What Ken said... Because we all know the 1% don't buy the same groceries as the 99%, they grow them on trees... And we all know it's the 99% that buys those million dollar houses, and automobiles... Let's not forget all those limousines, and jet airplanes, the 1% grow them too. They never spend any of their money, everything is just handed to them on a 99% skin platter.

Do they spend the same percent of their income as those who make less? Who stimulates the economy more, 50 families that make $50k or 1 family that makes $2.5M?



Would YOU rather have 20% of $50,000 or 20% of $50,000,000? Chances are the multi millionaire is going to spend more in one year than 4 $60,000 families.

How much is the $2.5M person going to spend on an automobile compared to the $50K guy? Which is more likely to spend $50K and which is more likely to spend $20K on a car?

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