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LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 9:17:05 AM   
TheLilSquaw


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Status: offline 		I came across this video yesterday, when checking for my videos.
I do not consider this a "political" thread so I am not posting it on the politics and religion board. I do think it is off the topic, because it obviously has nothing to do with BDSM.

I am simply sharing this video because it made me go WTF.

It made me wonder what is consider excessive force?
I always thought police where supposed to use the "least" amount of force necessary to apprehend someone?

I thought people were innocent until proven guilty.
How is this not vigilante justice?

4409 -- LAPD chase man EXECUTE him Claim Self Defense


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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 9:29:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's LAPD. That means Im not surprised.

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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 9:37:08 AM   
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It's LAPD. That means Im not surprised.



I lived in LA for many years.
Sadly, this doesn't surprise me either.
I guess that is what bothers me the most.

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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 9:39:12 AM   
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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 9:41:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you watched the video, it was a member of Los Angeles Sheriffs Department, not Los Angeles Police Department, also it happen 2 years ago.

And this guy 4409 has lives in Arizonia and has had numerous arrests.

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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 9:45:07 AM   
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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 9:45:58 AM   
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If you watched the video, it was a member of Los Angeles Sheriffs Department, not Los Angeles Police Department, also it happen 2 years ago.

And this guy 4409 has lives in Arizonia and has had numerous arrests.


What does the person reporting the story having a prior history have to do with the the police shooting a man in the back??

And regardless of it is LAPD or Sheriff is that again justification for shooting someone in the back??

What does it matter if it was 2 years ago or 2 days ago.
It still happened.
Didn't it??

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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 9:50:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

If you watched the video, it was a member of Los Angeles Sheriffs Department, not Los Angeles Police Department, also it happen 2 years ago.

And this guy 4409 has lives in Arizonia and has had numerous arrests.


What does the person reporting the story having a prior history have to do with the the police shooting a man in the back??

And regardless of it is LAPD or Sheriff is that again justification for shooting someone in the back??

What does it matter if it was 2 years ago or 2 days ago.
It still happened.
Didn't it??


The claim states it the LAPD, that is not the Sheriffs Department. Two different agencies, one the Sheriffs is under the County, the Police are under the City, the incident was not recent either.

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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 9:57:21 AM   
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The claim states it the LAPD, that is not the Sheriffs Department. Two different agencies, one the Sheriffs is under the County, the Police are under the City, the incident was not recent either.



Again, just because it is the Sheriff's not LAPD does that change the fact that a police officer in LA shot a man in the back??

Again, just because it happened 2 years ago. Does that mean it shouldn't be discussed. I mean if we are only discussing what happened today. Why teach history in schools or discuss past relationships on other parts of the forum?

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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 10:01:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw


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The claim states it the LAPD, that is not the Sheriffs Department. Two different agencies, one the Sheriffs is under the County, the Police are under the City, the incident was not recent either.



Again, just because it is the Sheriff's not LAPD does that change the fact that a police officer in LA shot a man in the back??

Again, just because it happened 2 years ago. Does that mean it shouldn't be discussed. I mean if we are only discussing what happened today. Why teach history in schools or discuss past relationships on other parts of the forum?


Let's shoot for accuracy, no pun intended.

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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 10:07:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		In this case, the distinction between deputy and police is irrelevant. Both are trained to the same standard.

Under that standard, the main thing that could justify what is seen on that tape, would be proving an unseen danger... i.e. the alleged gun.

In *general* it is considered a good approach to problems, to correctly identify the components.

The 2 years seems a bit long to go with no reports of a lawsuit, or a civil rights investigation, etc.

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The claim states it the LAPD, that is not the Sheriffs Department. Two different agencies, one the Sheriffs is under the County, the Police are under the City, the incident was not recent either.



Again, just because it is the Sheriff's not LAPD does that change the fact that a police officer in LA shot a man in the back??

Again, just because it happened 2 years ago. Does that mean it shouldn't be discussed. I mean if we are only discussing what happened today. Why teach history in schools or discuss past relationships on other parts of the forum?



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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 10:54:37 AM   
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In this case, the distinction between deputy and police is irrelevant. Both are trained to the same standard.


On this I would have to disagree. Training although both have the same goals do not make both agencies the same. Both have their own sperate command structure, rules, and are over seen by different civilian agencies, as I have stated before. One example of this is that the County Sheriff is elected, the Chief of Police is appointed. To state that one agency did something when in fact another agency was involved is certainly something to note.

Further making complaints about the what a Sheriffs Deputy did to the LA Police would not likely achieve a goal. Further, the incident happen in Long Beach, Long Beach has it own Police Department as well.

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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 10:58:48 AM   
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I find it amusing that you attack the man who reported this on his youtube in order to NOT discuss what the officer did.

Again, does his criminal back ground change what the officers in the video did or what he is reporting?
Again, does him calling it LAPD vs LA sheriff change the video that was shown, that a man was shot in the back??



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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 11:06:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am talking about the real world, where the US Supreme Court definitively ruled on the *use of deadly force standards* (Garner/Graham) that applies to all law enforcement agencies in the US. That is why POST certification was developed.

In this context, nobody gives a damn that they wear different colored uniforrms, or that counties and cities have different political processes.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

In this case, the distinction between deputy and police is irrelevant. Both are trained to the same standard.


On this I would have to disagree. Training although both have the same goals do not make both agencies the same. Both have their own sperate command structure, rules, and are over seen by different civilian agencies, as I have stated before. One example of this is that the County Sheriff is elected, the Chief of Police is appointed. To state that one agency did something when in fact another agency was involved is certainly something to note.





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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 11:07:15 AM   
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Nosathro,
I find it amusing that you attack the man who reported this on his youtube in order to NOT discuss what the officer did.

Again, does his criminal back ground change what the officers in the video did or what he is reporting?
Again, does him calling it LAPD vs LA sheriff change the video that was shown, that a man was shot in the back??




It does question his motives as well as objectivity. He has accused an agency of doing something it did not do so there is a question of his accuracy in reporting. As to the video itself, no.

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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 11:12:36 AM   
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I am talking about the real world, where the US Supreme Court definitively ruled on the *use of deadly force standards* (Garner/Graham) that applies to all law enforcement agencies in the US. That is why POST certification was developed.

My agruement is that an agency is being accused of something it members were not involved in. And that is very real!

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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 11:17:47 AM   
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My agruement is that an agency is being accused of something it members were not involved in. And that is very real!


The man having deadly force used on him and being shot in the back.
THAT is very real too.

To ME that has more of an after affect that calling LA Sheriff LAPD. *shrugs*


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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 11:30:02 AM   
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My agruement is that an agency is being accused of something it members were not involved in. And that is very real!


The man having deadly force used on him and being shot in the back.
THAT is very real too.

To ME that has more of an after affect that calling LA Sheriff LAPD. *shrugs*



To accuse an agency of participating in something like this and it did not do so is very wrong.
If you were a lawyer filing a lawsuit over this and claimed it was the LAPD, you would lose your case.

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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 12:00:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

If you watched the video, it was a member of Los Angeles Sheriffs Department, not Los Angeles Police Department, also it happen 2 years ago.

And this guy 4409 has lives in Arizonia and has had numerous arrests.


What does the person reporting the story having a prior history have to do with the the police shooting a man in the back??

And regardless of it is LAPD or Sheriff is that again justification for shooting someone in the back??

What does it matter if it was 2 years ago or 2 days ago.
It still happened.
Didn't it??



Good question. Since it is a youtube video, not a valid news report or article, it's difficult to say what happened. This guy is not reporting facts, he's reporting his opinion and version of them.

Now if you can find actual news articles about the incident, that would be different.

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RE: LA PD Chase and execute a man - 2/11/2013 12:04:43 PM   
TheLilSquaw


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He posted an actual "news report" with the video itself. The news report is from ABC news. (the logo is on that part of the posted video)

Both the families attorney and Sheriff dept both discuss the shooting.


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