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homohypno -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 8:47:20 AM)
I am glad you are so sure evesgrden - I like it when people are so sure. I can personally tell you that it's easy to wipe memory. We do it to ourselves all the time in fact, if we didn't we'd be a traumatic mess. But if you're so sure then I'd guess you must be right. You should enjoy that.

OsideGirl -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 9:01:29 AM)
MAG, I'm going to give you a +1 because you handled that attack with grace.

MissAnnabelGrace -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 9:11:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl MAG, I'm going to give you a +1 because you handled that attack with grace. Haha, why thank you! Grace by name, Grace by nature.

mnottertail -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 9:34:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: homohypno I am glad you are so sure evesgrden - I like it when people are so sure. I can personally tell you that it's easy to wipe memory. We do it to ourselves all the time in fact, if we didn't we'd be a traumatic mess. But if you're so sure then I'd guess you must be right. You should enjoy that. I am unsure of this, what memories have I wiped? I will agree that this one and that one might go in my background, and no hurry to dig out, but they aint wiped. And NLP aint gonna wipe shit, nor is hypnosis, although it can be tucked in the back. This aint Dianetics.

MissAnnabelGrace -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 9:50:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: homohypno I am glad you are so sure evesgrden - I like it when people are so sure. I can personally tell you that it's easy to wipe memory. We do it to ourselves all the time in fact, if we didn't we'd be a traumatic mess. But if you're so sure then I'd guess you must be right. You should enjoy that. I am unsure of this, what memories have I wiped? I will agree that this one and that one might go in my background, and no hurry to dig out, but they aint wiped. And NLP aint gonna wipe shit, nor is hypnosis, although it can be tucked in the back. This aint Dianetics. I think things have been a little misconstrued. When someone is 'under' you can make them act a certain way, then, make them forget they acted that way, much the same as you can have a dream, but, the next day can't remember the dream. However, there is no guarantee that an hour later, they won't have a memory of what happened suddenly come to the forefront of their mind. What you can't do is take someones life experience, or, specific event and then wipe that from their mind.

homohypno -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 9:56:43 AM)
I guess it depends on what you mean by wiped. I don't mean cutting into your brain and taking the part that stores memories. That would be the only way to actually wipe them. Our brains store everything, the issue is retrieving that information. I mean wiping as it making it hard to remember. I don't mean brain washing, or forcing someone to repress a memory. I mean that you can do something (like fuck a guy or have them cum over and over - as you can mess with time with hypnosis) and then have the subject just be left with the idea that they had a great time, but they are not entirely sure what they they have done. And you can leave the suggestion that they don't care, that they just want to enjoy the moment. It all depends on the subject though, I've met lots of the 'you can't hypnotise me' type of guys and of course you can't. Generally I don't want to either as there is no fun in that. I am an NLP Master Practitioner and there is some useful stuff in there, and it's 100s if not 1000s of techniques. Some of them are just silly, some are excellent. Mostly though, like with many things in life the really cool stuff happens when it's the right match between tist and subject.

mnottertail -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 10:08:24 AM)
OK, I am with the program.

Rochsub2009 -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 10:09:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer MAG, meet TAFKAA. TAFKAA, meet MAG. Actually, you should have said, "TAFKAA, meet your new Mistress", because she just owned him. [:D] And she did it in a classy way. Well done, MAG!

MissAnnabelGrace -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 10:26:19 AM)
Here's an interesting one that I've done lots of research on lately. The old train of thought was 'You can't make people do things they don't want to under Hypnosis' However, something I considered a few years ago was if you took that thing they didn't want to do, the 'Negative' and you find a way to turn it into a 'Positive', something they want to do, then generally you could get someone to do something they didn't want to. An extreme example would be an assassination, if someone were to be under and you suggested 'They go shoot Mr. Jones in the face with this revolver' then the stimuli is 'Negative' and unless the person genuinely wanted to shoot Mr. Jones, then he would quickly come out of trance and refuse. But, if the stimuli was positive I.E. 'I'm going to hand you a water pistol, you and Mr Jones are now going to have a water fight because you're great friends and love water fights' then handed the subject the revolver, the outcome would likely be very different because the context is a positive one. This could have some interesting uses in the D/s world, not that I condone anyone making anyone else do things they don't want to do :)

MissAnnabelGrace -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 10:27:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009 quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer MAG, meet TAFKAA. TAFKAA, meet MAG. Actually, you should have said, "TAFKAA, meet your new Mistress", because she just owned him. [:D] And she did it in a classy way. Well done, MAG! Why thank you :)

homohypno -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 10:30:02 AM)
The interesting thing the idea 'You can't make people do things they don't want to under Hypnosis' Is that that what you can do is create a situation where they will do what you want. Most people won't kill, but you attack their child and they might. Most people won't rob or steal but if they were going to stave they surely would. I was taught to tell people I can't get them to do stuff during formal training as a way of calming people's worries. Since then I've found that with enough time you can get people to do all kinds of things. You can do this without hypnosis though, just with general conditioning.

MissAnnabelGrace -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 10:43:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: homohypno The interesting thing the idea 'You can't make people do things they don't want to under Hypnosis' Is that that what you can do is create a situation where they will do what you want. Most people won't kill, but you attack their child and they might. Most people won't rob or steal but if they were going to stave they surely would. I was taught to tell people I can't get them to do stuff during formal training as a way of calming people's worries. Since then I've found that with enough time you can get people to do all kinds of things. You can do this without hypnosis though, just with general conditioning. Yes, that's what I was getting at, in a different context you really could inflict damage. Obviously it's all down to ethics and I personally wouldn't make or force anyone to do anything they didn't want to do, but, I wonder what use it could have in a D/s sense. I considered it in the use of those who enjoy being humiliated, but on consideration, they would be expecting the humiliation, which, in turn would likely hold the subject back in the first instance. I then considered it's use in allowing someone the freedom to break boundaries created by social stigma in a D/s relationship, the trouble is (and the conclusion I've come to since writing the above post) is they too would be aware of what you were trying to achieve which would yield different results to those who didn't know. Ultimately, it's a tool that could only be used on the unsuspecting, and I can't find a D/s context where it would be ethically correct to use, I was just wondering if anyone else could??

homohypno -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 10:48:02 AM)
Yeah, I realised after clicking post that I'd just said the same thing as you. I think ethics, like morals, are situational. When I was doing my training it was all about the power dynamic - how it was all meant to be 50/50 if not more with the client/subject. So from that point of view doing any of the erotic stuff, which is pretty much tist dominant, would be unethical. I have always found that I work with the subject, I'm not sure the master/slave thing works as well with hypnosis as does general experimentation and finding what works for both of you.

MissAnnabelGrace -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 11:13:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: homohypno Yeah, I realised after clicking post that I'd just said the same thing as you. I think ethics, like morals, are situational. When I was doing my training it was all about the power dynamic - how it was all meant to be 50/50 if not more with the client/subject. So from that point of view doing any of the erotic stuff, which is pretty much tist dominant, would be unethical. I have always found that I work with the subject, I'm not sure the master/slave thing works as well with hypnosis as does general experimentation and finding what works for both of you. I agree with some of what you say. When I get a new sub/slave approach me, they are often shocked to find that I don't jump straight into dominant, I tend to spend significant time meandering on the line of friendly and building a profile of that person in order to work with them effectively. When I have jumped into Domme mode straight away, the work is generally less effective...I consider this in the production of my content too, I'll often post pictures that suggest sub-dominance, nobody has understood why I've done this previously (but if they read this thread, now they know). So ultimately, the Master/Slave relationship can be achieved using hypnosis, but the initial run up methods that are effective often seem odd to those who don't understand what's going on.

Extravagasm -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 11:16:20 AM)
quote: PeonForHer: The funny thing about the whole subject of hypnotism, it seems to me, is that it's so damned irrational. It doesn't make sense. I know a professional hypnotist in Bath who works mostly with smokers. His standard line with those who believe that they can't be hypnotised is 'Just pretend to be hypnotised, then' . . . and that generally works. However, being a submissive doesn't make sense to me, either. I would certainly go along with a femdom partner's experiment to try it with me. I think I'd find it absolutely fascinating. What you said Peon, is honest, insightful, and perceptive. And IMHO what ties it all together. . . is something we know, but shy from: The majority of our cognitive functions are not rational process. BTW there's a Freakonomics episode on NPR dedicated to showing even the major life decisions we make, are not rationally arrived at. There's remains some slant in conservative science circles (ones still opposing health food supplements) against studying the techniques of hypnosis. More often they prefer coming from the other way and studying 'suggestiveness' in humans and animals. Lota stuff on that. Coming in that direction, they don't call it pseudoscience.

homohypno -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 11:17:29 AM)
Yeah, I guess the more I think about it that is what I do. I guess usually it leads to doing what I want, but it takes a little longer to get there. I generally just love hypnosis I guess and experimenting to see what can be achieved.

Extravagasm -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 1:14:03 PM)
quote: MissAnnabelGrace: I then considered it's use in allowing someone the freedom to break boundaries created by social stigma in a D/s relationship, the trouble . . . is they too would be aware of what you were trying to achieve which would yield different results to those who didn't know. Ultimately, it's a tool that could only be used on the unsuspecting, and I can't find a D/s context where it would be ethically correct to use, I was just wondering if anyone else could?? Background in Psychology and DS, but not Hypnotism. Two possible ethical scenarios to consider: 1) You're approached by a sub who doesn't know your specialty. Wants to work into TPE w/you (Total Power Exchange). You say- after I know you better. (Meandering on the line of friendly and building a profile.) He agrees. When enough time and content pass, you advance to suggestion stages. But you CALL IT accepting his TPE. Now the actual acts of bypassing social stigma will be unsuspecting. But accepted, to the extent of your success. And consensual, as per his desire and original request. 2) You act as a third-party facilitator for another couple who have already achieved TPE for several years. This allows the consent to be firmly established and still the progression to be somewhat unsuspecting for the sub. Something to remember. The gratification in total surrender is in satisfying. Not just in contrast to societal taboo, but also in contrast to the submissive's own will. Your obvious experience and contribution to this forum is appreciated.

JeffBC -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 1:35:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissAnnabelGrace What are your experiences and views? Please share as I'm intrigued. You lost me as soon as you mentioned "study" and "NLP" in the same context. When I went to an actual institute of education the library there had some choice things to say about NLP. Do you actually have some sort of scholarly text on it??? I mean something that is published and peer reviewed. I wasn't able to find anything like that... just people saying that wanted to write a paper on NLP but couldn't because it's the modern equivalent of EST. In general, I doubt that parlor tricks can add any sort of effectiveness but I'm sure they can add fun. So my general feel is that if folks groove on this stuff then more power to them.

Extravagasm -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 1:51:05 PM)
quote: MissAnabelGrace: I considered it in the use of those who enjoy being humiliated, but on consideration, they would be expecting the humiliation, which, in turn would likely hold the subject back in the first instance. I then considered it's use in allowing someone the freedom to break boundaries created by social stigma in a D/s relationship, the trouble is . . . they too would be aware of what you were trying to achieve which would yield different results to those who didn't know. Drawing on graduate work in methodology and philosophy of science to assist here. The population which enjoys being humiliated already, would not require your special skills to begin with, so they are not at issue. The population which are inhibited by social stigma are still good candidates for your techniques. That their foreknowledge might differ results (as you note) is not fatal here because this is no double blind experimental test to establish a scientific truth. It's a procedure. For example drugs are tested double blind to eliminate the placebo and hawthorn effects, etc. But once the drugs are established as efficacious, then they need not be administered blind to future patients. The same is true with medical procedures. And with psychological therapies. In your instance, if the lack of stealth strengthens or weakens the effect, so what? You would be aware to control it. Not opposed to caution. Only making a fair distinction here.

MissAnnabelGrace -> RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. (2/16/2013 1:55:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Extravagasm quote: MissAnnabelGrace: I then considered it's use in allowing someone the freedom to break boundaries created by social stigma in a D/s relationship, the trouble . . . is they too would be aware of what you were trying to achieve which would yield different results to those who didn't know. Ultimately, it's a tool that could only be used on the unsuspecting, and I can't find a D/s context where it would be ethically correct to use, I was just wondering if anyone else could?? Background in Psychology and DS, but not Hypnotism. Two possible ethical scenarios to consider: 1) You're approached by a sub who doesn't know your specialty. Wants to work into TPE w/you (Total Power Exchange). You say- after I know you better. (Meandering on the line of friendly and building a profile.) He agrees. When enough time and content pass, you advance to suggestion stages. But you CALL IT accepting his TPE. Now the actual acts of bypassing social stigma will be unsuspecting. But accepted, to the extent of your success. And consensual, as per his desire and original request. 2) You act as a third-party facilitator for another couple who have already achieved TPE for several years. This allows the consent to be firmly established and still the progression to be somewhat unsuspecting for the sub. Something to remember. The gratification in total surrender is in satisfying. Not just in contrast to societal taboo, but also in contrast to the submissive's own will. Your obvious experience and contribution to this forum is appreciated. Superb input and just the kind of contribution I was looking for. Your first scenario is one that I've actually already carried out, but not using hypnosis, more suggestion and conditioning. The second is one I was contemplating today, but in a different scenario. Your version is totally valid, and, a possibility. I was considering the introduction of a third domme as a first point of contact for the subject who is unaware of me, she does the meandering/profiling then passes him on to me under a guise of some sort without him knowing anything about me. I loved your point on total surrender. I've found the 'line' just before total surrender seems to satisfy the subs most, once the line is crossed, there is little satisfaction for the sub and the game ends. Thank you also for your kind comment!

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