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for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/15/2013 6:00:52 AM   
ChatteParfaitt


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Status: offline 		Human Evolution Article in NY Times

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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/15/2013 9:20:15 AM   
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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/15/2013 6:50:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read that earlier tonight and found it fascinating. The more our genes are researched, the closer we get to understanding how we got to be who we are which I just find really cool.


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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 4:37:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's why I love the NYTimes, their science and anthropology sections are marvelous.

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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 5:37:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fascinating. Thank you, CP!

Particularly interesting was the speculation of
the mutation's possible effects as sexual selection,
the little cousin of natural selection seldom discussed.

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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 9:19:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh yeah, I found that interesting as well. The thought that was due to some sexual selection. I would have never thought of that. I would have thought that it was due to the changes in climate and the body having to compensate. It definitely gives one a different view on how to look at such things.


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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 9:48:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for this interesting article.

I wonder, since the effect is concentrated in Asia,
how much is attributable to the genes of Genghis Khan?

http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/25/genghis-khan-descendants-lead_achieve07_cz_cz_0301khan.html

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan/

From the Forbes Article:

"Geneticists have also used genetic markers to learn more about the ancestry of people in particular parts
of the world. Genghis Khan's genetic achievements turned up in a study in which an international team analyzed
the DNA of 2,123 men from Asia. Why just men? Because, unlike other chromosomes, the Y chromosome carried
by each man is usually a carbon copy of his father's. (Other chromosomes come in pairs, and they get scrambled
before we inherit them from our parents.)

In their survey of Asian men, the geneticists discovered one particularly remarkable genetic marker.
It turned up in men in a vast region stretching from China across Mongolia and as far west as Uzbekistan.
Eight percent of the men in that region carried it. Beyond those borders, they found the marker in just half a
percent of Asian men. Closer study revealed that this marker probably originated in Mongolia roughly 1,000 years ago, plus or minus three centuries.

All of these lines of evidence pointed the geneticists to a dramatic conclusion: the men who carry this particular marker are all descended from Genghis Khan."

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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 10:09:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		i love the way we are finding out more through genetic study. it's facinating stuff.

thanks for the read guys. great posting.

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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 1:53:20 PM   
ARIES83


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Status: offline 		There was a documentry on nat geo last month
which followed genetic markers to where they
originated and made a map of the changes
people have gone through since leaving africa,
they even found a tribe/type of people there, that
they say are the closest genetically to the first
africans.

Was very interesting.

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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 1:57:18 PM   
needlesandpins


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Status: offline 		they still don't know where my blood group comes from though lol is it aliens? is it reptiles? no-one seems to know. D+ and you come from monkies, D- and we are just a mystery.

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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 1:58:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		You should look for this book: Mapping Human History.

Good Reads

"In a journey across four continents, acclaimed science writer Steve Olson traces the origins of modern humans and the migrations of our ancestors throughout the world over the past 150,000 years. "

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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 2:01:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I love the Genghis Khan genetic marker discovery. It really does put a whole new perspective on the term "conqueror."

What a dom male, huh?

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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 2:02:43 PM   
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Status: online 		That was an interesting article. Have to wonder how different humans on the different continents may come to look from each other in the future. Or maybe that's happening a bit even now :)

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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 2:21:00 PM   
ARIES83


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Status: offline 		Thank's CP,
But I don't have time to read more books, for
some reason people have been buying me books
and my "to read" pile is starting to look
a lot like hard work as it is.
It looks like basically what that documentary
was about but thanks though.

Needles,
That's the first time I heard of that type of blood.
Read a bit about it now, sounds messed up.

I'm B+ from memory.


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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 3:18:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		oooo i just realised that i may have been misleading there. i don't mean the D is a blood group like A B AB and O, but as in rhesus D.

i'm O rhesus D-. ya can all have my blood, but i can only have my own type. i found reading about blood groups to be facinating too. although there are a few loons out there with theories about where the negative comes from. entertaining if nothing else

needles

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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 3:24:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Oh I love the Genghis Khan genetic marker discovery. It really does put a whole new perspective on the term "conqueror."

What a dom male, huh?


Defiantly dominant in his time and by his terms.  But seriously
sick and criminal in ours. 

I know you are smart enough to realize this.  I just did not want
the equivocation to go by without comment. 

Thanks again for the article.


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RE: for fans of evolutionary anthropology - 2/16/2013 3:29:03 PM   
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Oh yeah, I found that interesting as well. The thought that was due to some sexual selection. I would have never thought of that. I would have thought that it was due to the changes in climate and the body having to compensate. It definitely gives one a different view on how to look at such things.


Then, you might be interested in Darwin's remarks. Stuff that seems self-evident to us but he spelled it out 150 years ago: FASCINATING

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