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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 8:35:33 AM   
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Oh, I know. Obama can do no wrong thanks to the media. They mustn't dispel the illusion that The Anointed One has come to save the planet. Truth be damned!

But that's pretty much the rallying cry of liberals isn't it? "Win at all costs. Truth be damned!"

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You cons have an entire television network dedicated to trashing our president 24/7 and you still couldn`t deal.

That fux is losing viewers must be a big comfort.....



Social media and the rightist media`s inability to do an end-run around it and the truth/reality/facts, have changed the game forever.


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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 9:50:20 AM   
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Obviously you've been too busy with the liberal diarrhea you are so eager to lick up like a gluttonous tool to do any actual fact checking. You have to go read Section 402 of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act (33 U.S.C. 1342) to understand whats going on here.

I read that bill as soon as you posted your poo spew. The bill does not do anything you have claimed it does. It simply gets rid of excessive regulations and fines. It does not make it legal to dump rat poisons and pesticides in the water. Under current rules you have to have a permit and you have to register every. All this bill does is say that if you have to register a pesticide you do not need to have a permit to use it.

In fact, you can still be fined for it if you discharge the stuff in the water. Under the current rules ANY discharges of insecticides cost $35,000 per day per incident. This bill simply says that in the case of accidental discharges, fines may only be levied under a select set of circumstances. In other words, the EPA is still able to fine people and companies for neglect or intentional dumping, but cannot punish people for accidental contamination. The reason your idiotic lib leaders don't like this bill is that they are economic neophites and are worried about the money they will lose in fines. The EPA that the government would lose $10 million a year if they couldn't fine people for accidental discharges.

EPA has estimated that approximately 365,000 pesticide users, including state agencies, cities, counties, mosquito control districts, water districts, pesticide applicators, farmers, ranchers, forest managers, and scientists that perform 5.6 million pesticide applications annually will be affected by the court's ruling. This mandate would virtually double the number of entities currently subject to NPDES permitting under the CWA.

Farmers, ranchers, forest managers, and scientists will already suffer if they have accidental discharges. All fining them excessively in addition to their lost productivity does is put them out of business. Let me give you an example: A farmer gains nothing by throwing pesticides in the water. It's actually in a farmers best interest to use pesticides responsibly, so it's not like were talking about intentionally dumping poisons as you so foolishly believe. If a farmer has an accidental discharge he loses expensive pesticides and crops. He is still responsible for the cost of cleaning up the mess. $35,000 per day in fines on top of that can ruin a farm pretty damned quick.

Reigning in the overbearing regulatory practices of the EPA is what HR 872 is about. If you tried pulling your lips off the Bamsters hemorrhoids long enough to read the shit you parrot from your masters in Washington, you might actually get a clue some day.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 10:00:45 AM   
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No it does not, that is sewage effluent you are spewing.


The TWO SECTIONS this bill changes are aimed at if the Federal Government gives a permit, you can skip the state permit.  It is designed to take away states rights, and with the inept teabaggers they would then relax the standards further.  You aint dumping rat poison in Minnesota water if you are a Large Federal Totalitarian Govermentalist like yourself, we in Minnesota do not like your teabagger felchings in our drinking water.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h872/text

Section 3f and 402 is what it changes, and only with the language that you see.  No cockgargling or teabagger shiteating involved.

But how is it a jobs bill, besides the other lies you are tonguing out of which cockgargling wretched asshole?    

Where are the jobs that the teabaggers 'acted'?  How many will that put to work?  And the other bills are as I have pointed out, allowing more mercury to pollute our air, and more Federal Eminent Domain freedoms takings.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 11:17:02 AM   
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First of all, you're the one who claimed it was a jobs bill, not me. I told you what it is. Learn to fucking read. It isn't intended to create jobs it's intended to save them. You apparently don't understand the language you're using well enough to comprehend what you're looking at.

Second, your states rights argument is most likely a result of swallowing too much Obamapoo. There are only 4 states in which the EPA issues their own NPDES permits (along with all territories an some very specific federal lands). Minnesota is not among them. In the remaining 46 states the EPA issues a set number of permits to the states and the states issue these federal permits at the state level. It's been that way since 1974.

The federal government regulates environmental law. Since the states had no environmental permits prior to the governments decision to regulate environmental law, the states have no authority or legal claim to override how the NPDES permit system works. Minnesota has no state rights on this any more than any other state. And it's not a matter of whether we like it or not. That's just how it works.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 11:18:26 AM   
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Where are the jobs that the teabaggers 'acted'?  How many will that put to work?  And the other bills are as I have pointed out, allowing more mercury to pollute our air, and more Federal Eminent Domain freedoms takings.


Might want to ask Sen. Reid that question.


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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 11:28:12 AM   
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No my comprehension is unassailable, some teabaggers said they were all over jobs, when it turns out that was a bigger load of dogshit than the cry that they are 'fiscally conservative', then they send a bill to the Senate to deregulate the dumping of ratpoison in our drinking water and dress it up as a jobs bill.

2 questions for the less than comprehending boortz asstonguers of you:

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Yup, the GOP acted. Then the children in the Dumbocratic controlled Senate refused to vote on any jobs bills. When he said that your drooling leaders had already refused to vote on 25 job bills passed in the House. So while the GOP was acting, the Donothingcrats were playing petty political games with the jobs of millions of Americans.


Now we can dispense with the teabagger diarrhea slurping, and you can show us those 25 jobs bills that now you appear you are against after you were for them.   So, those 25 bills that will save or create jobs for millions of Americans.


And then show us a credible citation of the number of jobs that have been lost due to the Senate ignoring this particular dogshit bill. 




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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 11:29:17 AM   
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Please stop calling us teabaggers. I love you.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 11:29:53 AM   
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Where are the jobs that the teabaggers 'acted'?  How many will that put to work?  And the other bills are as I have pointed out, allowing more mercury to pollute our air, and more Federal Eminent Domain freedoms takings.


Might want to ask Sen. Reid that question.



No need to, we havent seen any bills coming out of the house regarding jobs.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 12:07:21 PM   
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Anybody have the fraudulent teabagger jobs bills listings yet?   Mine aren't it, apparently, but there are 25 of them, must be all over the web or listed at house gov and readable......the birthers still are all over the web.... 

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 12:08:06 PM   
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I'm trying to love you.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 12:09:06 PM   
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I hear ya, but life is what it is.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 1:38:47 PM   
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The federal government regulates environmental law. Since the states had no environmental permits prior to the governments decision to regulate environmental law, the states have no authority or legal claim to override how the NPDES permit system works. Minnesota has no state rights on this any more than any other state. And it's not a matter of whether we like it or not. That's just how it works.


Untutored asswipe aside you might have fooled a couple of teabaggers.

http://www.pca.state.mn.us/index.php/water/water-permits-and-rules/water-permits-and-forms/water-permit-application-forms.html

http://www.amazon.com/Minnesota-Environmental-Handbook-State-Handbooks/dp/0865873771


Don't try to get any jobs requiring more knowledge than scrubbing a toilet, cuz you ain't in the universe of qualifications.

I am still awaiting a single fact from the diarrhea you reguritate off the nutsucker blogs and teabagger shitlicks.

How about a pointer to those teabagger jobs bills, mr factman? 

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 1:46:14 PM   
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I'm trying to love you.

It's really hard to not refer to them as 'TEAbaggers' when they are the ones who originated the name.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 1:55:33 PM   
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It's TEA Party MEMBERS.
Thanks.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 1:56:55 PM   
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It's TEA Party MEMBERS.
Thanks.

I know that but TEA party MEMBERS were the ones who first used the term "TEAbaggers" to refer to themselves. Had they not done that, I doubt people would use it.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 1:57:33 PM   
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I continue to wonder how much we could actually accomplish if we spent less time and energy on anger, vitriol and name-calling and spent that time and energy on solutions.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 1:58:55 PM   
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No, Sir. As a member from nearly day one, I can tell you that we did not use that term. We held a demonstration that involved sending teabags and dumping tea bags, but we did not use the term teabaggers.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 2:06:55 PM   
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I'm trying to love you.

It's really hard to not refer to them as 'TEAbaggers' when they are the ones who originated the name.


And tried to get rid of it as soon as they found out the "less savory" meaning.


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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 2:08:32 PM   
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I'm trying to love you.

It's really hard to not refer to them as 'TEAbaggers' when they are the ones who originated the name.


And tried to get rid of it as soon as they found out the "less savory" meaning.


Yes they did. Ignorance is a bad thing. It's especially bad when combined with energy and impulsiveness.

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RE: For those Americans who work for a living - 2/20/2013 2:09:22 PM   
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uintended consequences, like a black nurse, hah?

And what is unsavory about it?

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