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Guns don’t kill people, but sons of NRA presidents try - 2/22/2013 7:44:40 AM   
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WHENEVER SOME FRUITCAKE WITH A CACHE OF GUNS OPENS FIRE AND TAKES OUT INNOCENTS, THE GUN NUTS TROT OUT THE TIED OLD ARGUMENT THAT MORE PEOPLE DIE IN CAR ACCIDENTS THAN IN GUN-RELATED INCIDENTS.

Yeah, a lot of people die on the road.

There are more than 250 million vehicles registered in the United States and most Americans spend hours every day on the road. MOST VEHICLE-RELATED DEATHS COME FROM ACCIDENTS. THEY DON’T COME FROM SOME LOON DRIVING HIS HUMMER INTO A CROWDED MOVIE THEATER AND SNUFFING OUT A DOZEN LIVES WHILE LEAVING 50 OR SO WOUNDED.

True, some people use vehicles for homicidal purposes but many more turn to a loaded weapon that uses gunpowder to discharge a projectile with a singular purpose - to inflict damage on a target….The presence of a gun creates a strong possibility of escalation of violence in too many situations…

But what else can you expect from the NRA, the powerful lobbying group that last year installed right-winger David Keene as President.

Keene was the longtime chairman of the American Conservative Union and a key organizer of the Conservative Police Action Conference (CPAC) an annual gathering of the rabid right in Washington.

KEENE KNOWS A THING OR TWO ABOUT HANDGUN VIOLENCE. HIS SON, DAVID MICHAEL KEENE, WENT TO THE SLAMMER FOR A DECADE FOLLOWING A 2002 CONVICTION OF OPENING FIRE IN A ROAD RAGE INCIDENT WITH A MOTORIST ON THE GEORGE WASHINGTON PARKWAY IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.

Capitol Hill Blue reporter Cindy Morris reported on Dec. 18, 2002:

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David Michael Keene, the prominent national conservative activist’s son charged in a road rage shooting on the George Washington Memorial Parkway, was institutionalized with “severe emotional problems” seven times between the ages of 8 and 13, his mother said Tuesday.

HE’S HAD A CONTINUING PROBLEM WITH IMPULSE CONTROL, AND AN EXAGGERATED BELIEF THAT HE WAS IN MORE DANGER THAN HE WAS IN AT TIMES, CAUSING HIM TO RESPOND IN A WAY THAT WAS MORE EXCESSIVE OR OUT OF LINE WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON,” Keene’s mother, Diana Carr, told reporters outside the U.S. District Court in Alexandria.

Carr said the gun was registered in Keene’s name and added that her son and his fiancé were on their way to “target practice” at the time of the incident. CURRENT FEDERAL STATE AND GUN LAWS PROHIBIT SALE AND REGISTRATION OF FIREARMS TO PERSONS WHO HAVE BEEN HOSPITALIZED WITH MENTAL PROBLEMS. A law enforcement source said they are investigating to see if Keene withheld information about his mental history when he purchased the firearm.

At the time [of his road-rage arrest] young Keene was working for his pop at the American Conservative Union.

THE NRA SAYS THE ANSWER TO GUN VIOLENCE IS ENFORCEMENT OF EXISTING LAWS, NOT NEW RESTRICTIONS. ENFORCEMENT OF EXISTING LAWS DIDN’T KEEP DAVID MICHAEL KEENE [son of the present President of the National Rifle Association] FROM OWNING A GUN AND USING IT TO TRY AND KILL SOMEONE SIMPLY BECAUSE THE OTHER PERSON PISSED HIM OFF ON THE ROAD

Obviously, Keene’s parents…knew about their son’s tattered mental history and, yet, also knew he owned a gun in violation of the law.

And WE’RE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THE PROPAGANDA FROM A ORGANIZATION RUN BY A MAN WHO LOOKED THE OTHER WAY WHEN HIS SON VIOLATED EXISTING GUN LAWS.

WHICH BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING QUESTION. IF YOUNG KEENE HAD SUCCEEDED IN KILLING THE OBJECT OF HIS WRATH IN THE ROAD RAGE INCIDENT WOULD THE NRA HAD LISTED THAT DEATH OF A RESULT OF GUNS OR MOTOR VEHICLES?


(EDITOR’S NOTE: The author of this article is a Virginia resident, a gun owner and the holder of a concealed carry permit)


The key line in the story, IMO, is:

We’re supposed to believe the propaganda from a organization run by a man who looked the other way when his [own] son violated existing gun laws.

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In the words of Syracuse University Professor Dr. Boyce Watkins, this incident highlights the depths of NRA hypocrisy.

“What I find most astonishing about incidents like Sandy Hook is that many people don’t connect to the human side of these tragedies until they hit close to home,” says Dr. Watkins, who is an outspoken critic of the NRA. ”THE FACT THAT MR. KEENE’S SON IS ONE OF THE VERY PEOPLE THAT HIS ORGANIZATION DEMONIZES PUTS THIS MAN IN A VERY AWKWARD POSITION. IN FACT, IT SOUNDS LIKE HE IS EVERY BIT AS IRRESPONSIBLE AS HIS FELLOW GUN OWNER, NANCY LANZA (MOTHER OF ADAM LANZA).”


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Mug shot of David Michael Keene, taken at time of his road-rage arrest.

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RE: Guns don’t kill people, but sons of NRA president... - 2/22/2013 8:10:42 AM   
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Do you think this is way the NRA David Keene did an about face and opposed background checks? I guess David does not want his diry laundry to be hanging out so the public can see. And the NRA ran an ad about Obama kids getting Secret Service protection, who is the hyprocrite now!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/30/usa-today-exclusive-interview-nra-david-keene/1878809/

Now that David is out I am sure this will happen.

http://autos.aol.com/article/gun-deaths-will-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015-study-says/

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RE: Guns don’t kill people, but sons of NRA president... - 2/22/2013 10:19:14 AM   
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Do you think this is way the NRA David Keene did an about face and opposed background checks? I guess David does not want his diry laundry to be hanging out so the public can see. And the NRA ran an ad about Obama kids getting Secret Service protection, who is the hyprocrite now!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/30/usa-today-exclusive-interview-nra-david-keene/1878809/

Now that David is out I am sure this will happen.

http://autos.aol.com/article/gun-deaths-will-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015-study-says/

Wayne LaPierre of the NRA evaded the draft for VIetnam, claiming a family and personal history of mental illness. That may be why HE is now against background checks.



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RE: Guns don’t kill people, but sons of NRA president... - 2/22/2013 1:35:23 PM   
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Why not to focus on mental health issues? Twenty years ago it was legal to own fully automatic sub-machine guns. How many children and adults per year were mowed down dead then? I do not know the statistics but (based on US liberals) I guess hundreds of thousands.

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RE: Guns don’t kill people, but sons of NRA president... - 2/22/2013 1:41:40 PM   
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1986 wasnt "20 years ago"

To be more exact... 1936

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

People can still own fully automatic machine guns. They arent "banned". They are tightly restricted.


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RE: Guns don’t kill people, but sons of NRA president... - 2/22/2013 2:01:28 PM   
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Why not to focus on mental health issues?

If we "focused on mental health issues" - Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, would have all his guns taken away from him. If he was too "mentally ill" to serve in the U.S. military when he was eligible for the military draft - he's too "mentally ill" to have a gun now.


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RE: Guns don’t kill people, but sons of NRA president... - 2/22/2013 2:32:52 PM   
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Seems to be a recurrent theme among NRA 'leaders'... among others.
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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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ORIGINAL: Fellow
Why not to focus on mental health issues?

If we "focused on mental health issues" - Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, would have all his guns taken away from him. If he was too "mentally ill" to serve in the U.S. military when he was eligible for the military draft - he's too "mentally ill" to have a gun now.




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RE: Guns don’t kill people, but sons of NRA president... - 2/22/2013 4:02:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

1986 wasnt "20 years ago"

To be more exact... 1936

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

People can still own fully automatic machine guns. They arent "banned". They are tightly restricted.




who needs a machine gun?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRXXxQ1OuDc



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RE: Guns don’t kill people, but sons of NRA president... - 2/22/2013 4:03:38 PM   
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yah but

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Seems to be a recurrent theme among NRA 'leaders'... among others.
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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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ORIGINAL: Fellow
Why not to focus on mental health issues?

If we "focused on mental health issues" - Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, would have all his guns taken away from him. If he was too "mentally ill" to serve in the U.S. military when he was eligible for the military draft - he's too "mentally ill" to have a gun now.






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RE: Guns don’t kill people, but sons of NRA president... - 2/22/2013 4:27:28 PM   
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Why not to focus on mental health issues? Twenty years ago it was legal to own fully automatic sub-machine guns. How many children and adults per year were mowed down dead then? I do not know the statistics but (based on US liberals) I guess hundreds of thousands.

It is still legal to own fully automatic weapons in some states. The restrictions are that you must pass a federal firearms background check and pay a transfer fee. $200, on every such weapon you buy and you may only buy from a gun dealer with a class 3 FFL.

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RE: Guns don’t kill people, but sons of NRA president... - 2/23/2013 12:37:22 AM   
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I just remembered examining the UZI 9mm sub-machine gun in Reno NV pawn shop about 20 years ago. I could have bought it without any problems or background checks.
The point I was trying to make was: we have had a gradual increase in gun control accompanied by the increase in senseless mass murders. We must study the real reasons. How much effect does the TV programming have, mind altering drugs, destruction of communities etc....?

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