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RE: Hardly elusive, the non-vaginal...orgasm - 2/25/2013 4:19:07 PM   
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Right, luck has nothing to do with it. Being clear about how you cum is the trick.

There is always such discussion about the female orgasm from men.

To me, there is only one kind of orgasm, something stimulates your clit, you cum.

There is no vaginal vs. clitoral despite what Freud said. It all happens right down there, people.

Now, I do believe there are some women who can cum from nipple stimulation alone or from anal, etc., but again, all orgasms happen in the pussy, not in the head.

...and almost completely misses the point. I'll go with you all being funny rather than get pissed. BUT, I don't care if you cum out of your hair...let's call it nature's shampoo. I am talking what stimulation and was it tactile or something else that made your hair look creamy.

Maybe I needed to also include the definition of tactile.


I can assure you, I understand both visceral and tactile. I just do not agree with the premise that you can cum viscerally without any tactile stimulation.

As for getting pissed, that seems a tad dramatic for a discussion, no?

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RE: Hardly elusive, the non-vaginal...orgasm - 2/25/2013 6:08:34 PM   
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I picked this forum because any woman can answer this question.

This inquiring mind wants to know. I've been told by those intimately concerned such as the vanilla set as well as the kink queens that 'I came' and as such...without any vaginal stimulation.

I've read that such orgasms are not really orgasms because whatever they are, they are not the same and they are not because, they are non-vaginal.

So I want all of you fuckers, kinkroids and the like to tell me...what is the real deal ? I ask if only because one side is really beginning to pick up some speed. First handcock responders and the like all report that with and without direct tactile endeavors, 'I came.'

It has been my feeling that to the extent that women enjoy such pleasures, it is visceral. Now a lovely sub, a redhead no less, has told me that most don't even know what visceral means. For that reason, true or not...I offer the following:

Visceral:
1. of or pertaining to the viscera.
2. affecting the viscera.
3. of the nature of or resembling viscera.
4. characterized by or proceeding from instinct rather than intellect (?) tactile: a visceral reaction.
5. characterized by or dealing with coarse or base emotions; earthy; visceral reaction.

Viscera:
of the nature of or resembling viscera.
'The' viscera: Anatomy, Zoology . the organs in the cavities of the body, especially those
in the abdominal cavity. Or, (not used scientifically) the intestines; bowels.

Now kinknauts, are these non-vaginal orgasms, ...visceral ?
What say you orgasmatrons out here ? Are non-vaginal orgasms...orgasms or they actually an intestinal reaction given the same name ?

I am thinking a bit of both and I do enjoy the realm of possibility ([pleasure) they ALL present.











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RE: Hardly elusive, the non-vaginal...orgasm - 2/25/2013 7:40:34 PM   
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I just find it funny that a male...with no vagina.....is arguing with a thread full of women....with vaginas....about female orgasms lol.

...unless you have a vagina that we're not aware of....



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RE: Hardly elusive, the non-vaginal...orgasm - 2/25/2013 9:47:07 PM   
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You know.. you might want to rethink the way you express things. Instead of the writing up such a *coff* intellectual premise wouldn't it have been easier to ask, do women ever have orgasms without being manually stimulated? Or.. can you cum by words or thoughts alone?

Some women can.


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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Right, luck has nothing to do with it. Being clear about how you cum is the trick.

There is always such discussion about the female orgasm from men.

To me, there is only one kind of orgasm, something stimulates your clit, you cum.

There is no vaginal vs. clitoral despite what Freud said. It all happens right down there, people.

Now, I do believe there are some women who can cum from nipple stimulation alone or from anal, etc., but again, all orgasms happen in the pussy, not in the head.

Well, I'll go this far. I didn't clarify that my non-vaginal meant non-vaginally stimulated orgasms but viscerally stimulated orgasms, so anal, nipples and the rest are from the tactile but not the vaginal originated but still result in vaginally located orgasm. That I never questioned.



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RE: Hardly elusive, the non-vaginal...orgasm - 2/25/2013 9:56:50 PM   
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I brought a woman to orgasm less than a week ago by first spanking her and then engaging in neck and nipple stimulation. No vaginal contact leading up to it. Unless she faked it, of course, but she had no reason to.

There have been MRIs done of women's brains while being stimulated, and, in some women, the area of the brain affected by nipple stimulation overlaps the area of the brain affected by clitoral stimulation. That's presumably why orgasm is possible when touching such a "distant" area.

More interesting to me is the large percentage of rapes in which the victim orgasms. This makes recovery much more complex, because the victim doubts herself, and feels extra shame. Here's a link from just a couple days ago. It's a fantastic discussion, but one hell of a heavy read.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/193e3x/iama_sexual_assault_therapist_discussing_when/

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RE: Hardly illusive, the non-vaginal...orgasm - 2/26/2013 4:13:29 AM   
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A very interesting topic MrRodgers, thank you.

Around 3 to 4 years ago I started to have none touch orgasms. They were very different from vaginal orgasms in that they didn’t only affect my vagina but my entire torso, especially around the buttocks, lower spine and the front of the pelvis.

These orgasms were not brought on by an outside stimulus. There was nothing verbal going on either. On each occasion I laying down, very relaxed but doing nothing sexual. That was my only trigger. I didn't even have to have Steve in the same room as me.

I tried to research what was going on. I wrote extensively about what was happening in the hope that someone would come forward and admit to having the same experience. Each time, I was directed towards the ‘full body orgasm. The only problem with this is, a full body orgasm seems to be created through stimulus of some sort and there seemed no uniform pattern to what others and myself were experiencing.

As quickly as they arrived they stopped but shortly after they stopped I started to have health issues. I started having very alarming attacks that would come on very suddenly without warning. My doctor admitted me for tests and it was discovered that I had an over active Vagus nerve and Celiacs disease.

This is a bit of a hard read http://ajpgi.physiology.org/content/294/6/G1441.full but its this sort of explanation that has allowed me to understand why my body reacted to an internal pain that wasn’t recognized by my brain as pain but as something very pleasant. It shows the relationship between the Visceral and the Vagus Nerve.

I believe I was having these weird orgasms because I had a medical problem and once the problem was resolved those Visceral orgasms stopped.


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RE: Hardly elusive, the non-vaginal...orgasm - 2/26/2013 7:43:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1


More interesting to me is the large percentage of rapes in which the victim orgasms. This makes recovery much more complex, because the victim doubts herself, and feels extra shame. Here's a link from just a couple days ago. It's a fantastic discussion, but one hell of a heavy read.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/193e3x/iama_sexual_assault_therapist_discussing_when/


Within that link someone says, "Think about being tickled. Some people hate it. Those people may be laughing when being tickled, but it is a deeply unpleasant experience for them. The body has certain automatic responses to certain physical stimuli. We laugh when we are tickled. It doesn't mean it is a nice experience, or that laughing indicates wanting it. It's just a thing the body does."

I will also point out that there are links between “anxiety-inducing threats” and increased blood flood flow to the penis.

Fear does funny things to our bodies.


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RE: Hardly elusive, the non-vaginal...orgasm - 2/26/2013 8:19:03 AM   
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Orgasms may "happen" in the head, but it has been proven that all sexual stimulation starts in the brain and that triggers the blood flow, for both male and female, to the genitalia. For men, blood flow sufficient to arouse enough for sex acan be acheived with visual stimulation only. Not as common in women, it takes emotional repsonse triggered by a combination of stimulus and her own thoughts.

I read the topic "hardly elusive, the non-vaginal orgasm" and came rushing to see if someone had the magic answer for why, in my life, I have only had one orgasm not caused by clitorial stimulation + the truly perverted thoughts in my head. One.

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RE: Hardly elusive, the non-vaginal...orgasm - 2/26/2013 3:51:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I brought a woman to orgasm less than a week ago by first spanking her and then engaging in neck and nipple stimulation. No vaginal contact leading up to it. Unless she faked it, of course, but she had no reason to.

There have been MRIs done of women's brains while being stimulated, and, in some women, the area of the brain affected by nipple stimulation overlaps the area of the brain affected by clitoral stimulation. That's presumably why orgasm is possible when touching such a "distant" area.

More interesting to me is the large percentage of rapes in which the victim orgasms. This makes recovery much more complex, because the victim doubts herself, and feels extra shame. Here's a link from just a couple days ago. It's a fantastic discussion, but one hell of a heavy read.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/193e3x/iama_sexual_assault_therapist_discussing_when/


I brought a woman to orgasm by taking her to Nordstrom's once.

Just walked in the fucking door....off she went, wiggling and writhing and such.

(I can't claim a verity of the final result but...who gives a fuck....I got the job done).

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RE: Hardly elusive, the non-vaginal...orgasm - 2/26/2013 5:05:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I just find it funny that a male...with no vagina.....is arguing with a thread full of women....with vaginas....about female orgasms lol.

...unless you have a vagina that we're not aware of....



Well I am not arguing at all. I am just trying to gain a little more...'understanding.'

.....and for everyone to digest, female orgasms are a very pleasurable and exhaustively charming...field of study. Don't ya think?

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RE: Hardly elusive, the non-vaginal...orgasm - 2/26/2013 5:08:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

I picked this forum because any woman can answer this question.

This inquiring mind wants to know. I've been told by those intimately concerned such as the vanilla set as well as the kink queens that 'I came' and as such...without any vaginal stimulation.

I've read that such orgasms are not really orgasms because whatever they are, they are not the same and they are not because, they are non-vaginal.

So I want all of you fuckers, kinkroids and the like to tell me...what is the real deal ? I ask if only because one side is really beginning to pick up some speed. First handcock responders and the like all report that with and without direct tactile endeavors, 'I came.'

It has been my feeling that to the extent that women enjoy such pleasures, it is visceral. Now a lovely sub, a redhead no less, has told me that most don't even know what visceral means. For that reason, true or not...I offer the following:

Visceral:
1. of or pertaining to the viscera.
2. affecting the viscera.
3. of the nature of or resembling viscera.
4. characterized by or proceeding from instinct rather than intellect (?) tactile: a visceral reaction.
5. characterized by or dealing with coarse or base emotions; earthy; visceral reaction.

Viscera:
of the nature of or resembling viscera.
'The' viscera: Anatomy, Zoology . the organs in the cavities of the body, especially those
in the abdominal cavity. Or, (not used scientifically) the intestines; bowels.

Now kinknauts, are these non-vaginal orgasms, ...visceral ?
What say you orgasmatrons out here ? Are non-vaginal orgasms...orgasms or they actually an intestinal reaction given the same name ?

I am thinking a bit of both and I do enjoy the realm of possibility ([pleasure) they ALL present.











Hey now, not fair. That's far to akin to, dare I say...high math. My mathematical expertise is limited to the balance sheet kind. I am thinking the actual computations of which, are covered by Jr. high.

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RE: Hardly elusive, the non-vaginal...orgasm - 2/26/2013 6:58:05 PM   
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I forgot to mention, a couple of times (pre-menopause) I orgasmed from being tied, no genital stimulation. No happy knot, no crotch rope. Just whole body bondage.

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