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Bad poetry - 3/1/2013 4:25:16 PM

smartsub10

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Over the past couple years I've had a profile here on CM and have received countless messages. On a much lesser scale are the extended emails where a prospective dom and I learn a thing or two about each other. Within this group there are what I call "the bad poets". These men insist on quoting vague poetry, or worse, spouting schlocky poetry they've written themselves. They do this with the idea that I will swoon in romantic ecstasy. I do not. It's profoundly annoying.
The poetry makes no sense so I ask the guy what he's trying to tell me. Comical indignation takes place manifesting itself in insults to my femininity and sense of romance.
Finally, I have to just say "look, dude, you're not making any sense. I appreciate your efforts to be romantic with poetry but it's not working. Let's just speak in plain English. Thanks."
The last message from them is along the lines of my being different than every other woman on the face of the earth who just LOVES poetry so there must be something wrong with me.

Um. OK. Sure, I'm not like every other woman.

I'm curious. Guys, in general do you use prose or poetry to woo a lady who's caught your attention? Are you good at it?
Ladies, do you love the effort a man makes to be romantic even if it's a terrible insult to great poets past and present?
.

I just got dissed by a dude who told me I'm crass because I don't just love Elizabeth Barrett Browning. What's a girl to do? Along with orgasms are we expected to fake love of poetry?

Edited to add: My profile is hidden. I had a bad day here at CM so am taking a little break. So, my apologies to the folks who want to perve my profile.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/1/2013 4:48:58 PM

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I don't really use poetry at all. Maybe if I remember an appropriate line for the conversation, I might borrow that one line. I may make allusions to classic poets or poems. But I do all of that in the context of prose writing.

In reality, I haven't taken the time to study poetry in depth. If I had, I would probably use it. Not with an eye to specifically wooing, but because if I put that much effort into something, it was something that was important to me, and somebody I'm corresponding with should know about that.

It's not just male Doms who send/write poetry, either. Most of the profiles I look at are female subs, and there are a significant amount of them that have poetry in their profiles. I usually skim it at best, because the poetry doesn't tell me anything other than that they like poetry and think they can write (whether they can or not...I'll let other people judge).

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/1/2013 4:59:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: smartsub10

Over the past couple years I've had a profile here on CM and have received countless messages. On a much lesser scale are the extended emails where a prospective dom and I learn a thing or two about each other. Within this group there are what I call "the bad poets". These men insist on quoting vague poetry, or worse, spouting schlocky poetry they've written themselves. They do this with the idea that I will swoon in romantic ecstasy. I do not. It's profoundly annoying.
The poetry makes no sense so I ask the guy what he's trying to tell me. Comical indignation takes place manifesting itself in insults to my femininity and sense of romance.
Finally, I have to just say "look, dude, you're not making any sense. I appreciate your efforts to be romantic with poetry but it's not working. Let's just speak in plain English. Thanks."
The last message from them is along the lines of my being different than every other woman on the face of the earth who just LOVES poetry so there must be something wrong with me.

Um. OK. Sure, I'm not like every other woman.

I'm curious. Guys, in general do you use prose or poetry to woo a lady who's caught your attention? Are you good at it?
Ladies, do you love the effort a man makes to be romantic even if it's a terrible insult to great poets past and present?
.

I just got dissed by a dude who told me I'm crass because I don't just love Elizabeth Barrett Browning. What's a girl to do? Along with orgasms are we expected to fake love of poetry?

Edited to add: My profile is hidden. I had a bad day here at CM so am taking a little break. So, my apologies to the folks who want to perve my profile.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/1/2013 6:52:00 PM

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You're not the only one. I much prefer prose to poetry and I've read enough good poetry to know what it is. But it just doesn't speak to me.

On the other hand, in a college Shakespeare class I got a B+ for handing in a 14 line sonnet instead of a 5 page paper. Sometimes it's important to know when poetry should be used and when it shouldn't.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/1/2013 7:17:04 PM

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I sang "A Room in My Heart" to a lady that I cared for, while we slow danced.

Worked pretty good.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/1/2013 7:32:04 PM

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I can fake an orgasm, but I wouldn't be able to fake susceptibility to being wooed by a man quoting poetry. Unbearable idea.

edited to add: except for Vogon poetry, of course.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/1/2013 11:13:56 PM

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quote:

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I sang "A Room in My Heart" to a lady that I cared for, while we slow danced.

Worked pretty good.

See, now that's lovely. You obviously clicked enough through messaging to get together to dance. If you had demanded her phone number in the first message and started warbling to her over the phone, she would have thought you psychotic.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 12:27:44 AM

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I have been inspired to write a few poems in my day most have been here and by friends .
I have seen some very good poems and many bad ones . I try not to give out the bad ones and keep the good ones to just a few people .

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 2:12:33 AM

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I have never had poetry sent to me but I do follow a guy on another BDSM site who writes the most captivating poetry. Its not romantic so much as dark and sinister.

I enjoy creative writing but its has to be good.

Level, that is so romantic!

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 6:02:13 AM

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I do enjoy poetry but I'm pretty specific in my tastes. You'd have to have real style and skill to impress me by quoting poetry - it seems like a kind of awkward move. I might think it sweet on valentine's day or something when you can get away with clumsy sentimental gestures.

As for people who write their own poetry.....

I've noticed a number of people with poetry on their profiles and I've yet to see a single one that I would consider decent. Generally their imagery is trite and cliche, they come up with some bizarre phrases to fit the rhyme scheme, and there's no rhythm at all. It mostly seems to work on the assumption that as long as it has rhyming couplets, it's a poem. It's not. If I have to put pauses in unnatural places and emphasis on the wrong syllables just to be able to read the poem out loud, it's not good enough to be shared in public. Granted they aren't all that bad but the best I've come across have just been dull and lifeless.

I absolutely respect their right to express themselves that way and what not. I just wish they wouldn't ask my opinion. I don't want to lie and I know no matter how kindly I phrase my comments, anything less that 'wonderful' will cause offense. I wouldn't put up a piece of creative writing that I hadn't polished and made into my best work - I wonder do they just throw up the first thing that spews onto the page or do they honestly not have an idea of what makes poetry work? And if the latter, why are they called to write and share it?

On the other hand, a well-crafted love note with careful use of poetic language can definitely get me tingling. But only from someone I'm already intimate with, or else it's creepy.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 6:32:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: smartsub10
I'm curious. Guys, in general do you use prose or poetry to woo a lady who's caught your attention? Are you good at it?
Ladies, do you love the effort a man makes to be romantic even if it's a terrible insult to great poets past and present?

I wouldn't mind having an intelligent discussion about poetry/poets with someone, but for someone to try to woo
me with the words of another would feel similar to the copy and paste emails I sometimes get, and would have the
same affect on me as the "get on your knees and suck" line. To me, all three examples are an indication that they
aren't really interested in knowing what would hold my interest, but merely using words in hopes to impress.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 6:55:50 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: poise

I wouldn't mind having an intelligent discussion about poetry/poets with someone, but for someone to try to woo
me with the words of another would feel similar to the copy and paste emails I sometimes get, and would have the
same affect on me as the "get on your knees and suck" line. To me, all three examples are an indication that they
aren't really interested in knowing what would hold my interest, but merely using words in hopes to impress.

Thank you Poise, that about sums it up for me. The bad poetry, which I detest btw, the song lyrics

, and worst of all, the horrific "erotic writing" reminds me of little boys stopping by and dropping half eaten lollipops in my lap. To me, they're giving me something (the bad/stolen writing) that they think will get them instant results, which is an expressway to my genitals. So in reality they're giving me something that has value to them, but not to me - a half-eaten lollipop.

I feel that these attempts are honestly scraping the bottom of the barrel. Give me a 'get on your knees' any day as an inept but honest attempt to get something for yourself rather than try to manipulate me into it by using the words of another or a crap effort. Poetry is a beautiful art form, I'd love the chance to discuss it with someone who isn't using it to try to get into my pants.

If someone does write something honestly from the heart, even if it's substandard, I'm sure the recipient would think it beautiful, because the receiver will be someone the sender already knows, and would be deserving of such a gift. If you don't know each other then it's manipulation, just like dangling anything else that is supposed to be meaningful and expecting a faux return of real feelings. Giving false or inappropriate efforts doesn't mean you get something real in return and don't treat me like I"m stupid enough not to know the difference. To me, sending bad poetry is the same as when a man in a first email calls me an inappropriate endearment to try to get us onto familiar territory. Yuck.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 8:53:26 AM

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If you don't know each other then it's manipulation, just like dangling anything else that is supposed to be meaningful and expecting a faux return of real feelings. Giving false or inappropriate efforts doesn't mean you get something real in return and don't treat me like I"m stupid enough not to know the difference. To me, sending bad poetry is the same as when a man in a first email calls me an inappropriate endearment to try to get us onto familiar territory. Yuck.

Yep that bugs me too. I do love poetry, heck I write it myself. But I don't call a lot of what I see out there poetry. Most of the stuff I read from doms and subs alike is overly romantic, completely unrealistic drivel. When I read it I can tell they have little experience if any. It is basically smelly bait meant to lure in a sucker.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 10:08:45 AM

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I'm with you. I do not like men to use poetry to woo or impress me. To me it is a corny and a desperate attempt to be romantic. It's not original by any means. I'm more impressed with spontaneity and originality.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 10:34:07 AM

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I never tried to use "romantic" poetry to "woo" anyone. However, there have been many times when I have written humorous poetry for someone I am already involved with, either "just because" or as a note attached to a B-day present, and things to that effect, and to the best of my knowledge it was always appreciated and enjoyed.

I've also used poetry as a means to "attract" women. Back in the day when Yahoo had free personals I wrote a number of ads using the name Edgar Allan Poet. I believe the first time I did that I did my ad in the manner of "The Raven". I also did ads based on "The Night Before Christmas" (during the holidays), as Limiricks, and in just kind of a non-descript form. I did meet a number of ladies through those ads, and had responses from quite a few others who just wrote to say how much they had enjoyed my ads.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 10:45:05 AM

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Want to experience really bad poetry, try Klingon poetry, in Klingon.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 12:55:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: smartsub10
I'm curious. Guys, in general do you use prose or poetry to woo a lady who's caught your attention? Are you good at it?
Ladies, do you love the effort a man makes to be romantic even if it's a terrible insult to great poets past and present?
do you love the effort a man makes to be romantic even if it's a terrible insult to great poets past and present?

I suppose if you are attracted to them, you could give those men points for trying, but I prefer someone keep things simple, and basic, rather than look like a ridiculous fool (not domly at all), trying to be what he is not. M

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 3:35:04 PM

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I write poetry regularly. I like words. If someone else likes or appreciates them, even cooler.

I wouldn't use it to "woo" per se, but I would use it to express myself. I have since 1986, not likely to stop now.

My girl started talking to me because she enjoyed a poem I wrote in my journal and messaged me. That was about ten months ago, and I still write to her, and for her. If she stopped appreciating it, I'd stop writing it for her; but I wouldn't stop writing altogether. That takes a serious amount of willpower, or a copious amount of negative feelings.

I'm now tempted to write something to Athena just to see what she thinks of the results. (It would be nice to get critical feedback, I hardly ever do.)

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 3:36:10 PM

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When I was filling out my profile on the other side I checked poetry
as something I like but then I unchecked it because I had thoughts
of guys sending me really bad poetry. I do love poetry, good poetry
and like talking about it with others who also love it but I set a pretty
high bar. And of course all poetry isn't love poetry or flowery and romantic.
But I think recieving a poem from a stranger would be for the most part weird.

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RE: Bad poetry - 3/2/2013 3:36:32 PM

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and I don't think it's a sin
to be prickly on the outside
yet soft and squidgey in.

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