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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/2/2013 7:21:45 PM   
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"Dom" doesn't mean "decent" as you found out, unfortunately...I will not jump to the conclusion that you did not walk immediately. If you have a history of being mentally or physically abused..even if it was as a child...you need to resolve that with counseling before seeking a vanilla or kinky anything. Abusers, whether they call themselves Dom, master, sub, Mr...., instinctively find those who will let them get away with it.

In answer to your original question...every interaction with other people is fraught with danger....sometimes the best thing about this lifestyle is we are more upfront about liking certain things, in certain contexts. You will notice that everyone who has responded will tell you the SUB/SLAVE usually has the true power...not because he/she tells the Dom what to do but because true masters/doms recognize the value in what they have & would NOT cross the line that could cause damage to someone very important to them.

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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/3/2013 10:28:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TieMeInKnottss
You will notice that everyone who has responded will tell you the SUB/SLAVE usually has the true power...not because he/she tells the Dom what to do but because true masters/doms recognize the value in what they have & would NOT cross the line that could cause damage to someone very important to them.

I'm not sure I think there is a "power" question in play when there is no disagreement. When what I want Carol to do and what she wants to do are totally aligned who has power? I think it's just a non-question in that scenario... nobody does. Or at least nobody is exercising power.


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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/3/2013 1:05:26 PM   
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My recommendation would be to take it very slow if you've been victimized before. It takes time to learn how to set up 1. Appropriate boundaries and 2. Learning how to defend those boundaries and keep yourself safe or 3. How to extract yourself from something if it does become abusive.

One of the posters mentioned that "it's you, you picked a bad one" or something. I disagree on some level. Even if you chose someone abusive, it doesn't mean that it's inherently you. Some abusers put on a fantastic facade and remain pretty normal in behavior until after they're sure they've got your loyalty and love on the hook. However, I recently read this quite in an article, which was really excellent:


"If you've experienced multiple-victimization [any form of abuse more than once], please understand this: The problem is not that you attract only resentful, angry, or abusive suitors; it's that, by and large, you have not been receptive to the gentler, more respectful men you also attract. This is not due to your temperament or personality; it's a normal defensive reaction. After you've been hurt, of course you'll put up subtle barriers for self-protection. Non-abusive men will recognize and respect those barriers. For example, suppose that you work with someone who's attracted to you. But he senses that you're uncomfortable with his small gestures for more closeness. He will naturally back off and give you time to heal, or he'll settle for a non-romantic friendship. But a man who is likely to mistreat you will either not recognize your barriers or completely disregard them. He will continue to hit on you, until he breaks down the protective walls that surround your hungry heart."

That's why you insisting that you take it slow and waiting to see if that's respected in an effective manner is probably the most beneficial thing you can do to protect yourself from a potential abuser.

I would say this, learn about yourself. If you're the kind of person who invests deeply in your partners and gets very loyal and devoted, then you need to be extra extra careful when you give that to someone because that kind of personality is easy to exploit and hard for the abused one to extract their self from the dynamic. When you intensify the trust and bond, as Master/Slave relationships always do, it makes it that much more vital that you ensure that you're bonding with someone who you are absolutely cautiously observing to be a respectful and decent person. The Master/Slave dynamic doesn't leave a lot of room for limits and is even more complicated to discern the line between abuse and consent. If the person cares about you, I'm sure that he'll understand that you need a lot more time before you commit to that with him. So be patient and gentle with yourself.

http://www.pandys.org/articles/bdsmdomesticviolence.html
This checklist is helpful in assessing what dangers occur within power exchange based relationships. Keep an eye out for these signs that it's becoming abuse.


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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/4/2013 1:34:43 PM   
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If you feel you need a contract, you aren't ready for M/s.

Tazzy wins the thread on post #6.

You don't need a contract. You need bloody common sense.

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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/4/2013 1:47:02 PM   
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I especially liked the part about women who have been abused not being receptive to the gentler, more respectful men around them.

Your explanation rang very true to me.



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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/4/2013 3:18:44 PM   
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As others have pointed out any relationship can be dangerous, where you are putting trust in another person. You grab some guy off craigslist and he could be serial rapist, you find some guy who seems like a sweetheart and then one day he has a couple of drinks, and he beats you; you find a women you have feelings for, date her, she suggests going back to her place, you get drugged, your wallet is gone and you become the victim of identity theft and such.... I think there are different types of dangers, obviously. A guy can overpower a woman he is dating and tie her up and do nasty things to against her wishes, a guy can claim to be a dominant, tie up someone willingly, and then cause harm. I think where a BDSM relationship of any kind, including D/s, M/s, a certain amount of power has been given up, control, by the s to the M, so if a vanilla guy wants to tie a girl up in a game, it is going to raise more suspicions then if it is in a BD/SM one (simply because being tied up may be a regular part of the Ms). The other danger I can think of is that because of the dynamic, it may be easier in the guise of an M/s for an abusive person to brainwash or control a sub with issues, because the framework of control is already there, whereas that dynamic in a vanilla one is a lot more subtle in my thought.

To me I think others were right, a lot of it is about the person going into it, are they the kind of person who can protect themselves and so forth. A contract won't protect anyone from real abuse, what it can do, though, is remind both s and D or M what is allowed and what isn't, in the scope of the relationship, it may help protect against going over the line accidentally, for example. With a D or M who is turning abusive, about all the contract could do is act as warning bell to the s, that they can look at it and say "holy shit, he is peeing on me, and that isn't part of the deal" and maybe act as a reminder, but as protection? Meaningless.

The thing about power relationships like this is that they are based upon trust, more then in a vanilla simply because in many ways IMO the sub is entrusting a lot more of their safety and well being to the dominant, that in a sense along with power they also are turning their safety and well being. Obviously this is true in vanilla relationships, you trust that your partner isn't lying to you, cheating on you, and is actually thinking about you, cares about you, is looking out for you, but in an M/s it is a lot more in my view. Hence I think that before getting into an M/s or D/s of any deep level, someone really needs to know themselves. I am a pretty centered person, pretty sure of myself, but there have been times in my life, when I was exploring BD/SM, that I would go overboard and put more trust in people, or fall under their influence or somehow think I owed them something when I didn't, and these were on a relatively trivial level (not a relationship really at all)..and if going into a relationship as deep as a D/s,M/s, it is important to be sure of yourself.

I like what others have written, and my question is, how long have you know this person? Have you guys simply dated, gotten to know each other, really felt each other out? I would recommend, given your past issue, to take it slow, get to know this person, really see what they are like, and before going the M/s route, take it slow, take it down in levels, start with smaller D/s contracts, short term, see how it works, and ease into it. M/s are special relationships and to make it work, even leaving out potential abuse, take work and understanding IME. Give yourself a chance to make sure you are compatible people before jumping in, that you share the same vision and so forth..and hopefully, any warning signs will come out before you go that deep.

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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/5/2013 1:12:12 AM   
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Who is what's what. What isn't what makes who what. Who does. And you know who does who.

I'm pretty sure you already knew that.

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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/5/2013 3:21:08 AM   
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Being born is dangerous, in that it only leads to eventual death, but that isn't exactly your concern.
Being in a BDSM relationship, should be no more dangerous than you want it to be. It certainly isn't, generally speaking, more dangerous than any other type of relationship. NJLauren makes good points regarding D/s, and M/s relationships, and the dynamic requiring trust, and oftentimes obedience. It's going to take your self respect, care, strength, and maybe some therapy; but you will have to choose wisely, and try not to land in an abusive situation again.

If you choose to depend on a silly piece of paper/contract, to keep you safe, you will very sadly mistaken. Use your good judgement, and NEVER allow yourself into, or stay in, an abusive relationship. M

< Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 3/5/2013 3:27:21 AM >


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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/5/2013 4:03:07 PM   
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Thanks for your input everyone.


I apprectiate reading the comments.

my ex relationship turned that way because we did not have a contract, and i am glad I got out of it. This relationship and M/s is much better and I have choosen more wisely.


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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/5/2013 4:49:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: blondpinkb

Thanks for your input everyone.


I apprectiate reading the comments.

my ex relationship turned that way because we did not have a contract, and i am glad I got out of it. This relationship and M/s is much better and I have choosen more wisely.




It's great that you came back to tell everyone that their contributions were appreciated, says good things about you. You said you read those comments, I wonder if you comprehended what they were saying.

You seem to think that abuse happened in your last relationship because there was no contract, everyone tried to tell you that abuse has nothing to do with having a contract or not having one- it happens because you were with an asshole who is abusive. He'd be just as abusive WITH a contract, he'd find ways around what the contract said, or ignore it, or a million other ways. But a contract would not stop him or anyone from abusing you.

You say this new relationship is much better, and you have chosen more wisely...great! You also seem to think the better relationship is due to it being M/s, that is not true and M/s has nothing, to do with it being a better relationship. You chose a better partner, that is why things are better now. BDSM and D/s has nothing to do with the quality of your relationship, or that you ended up an asshole, or that you didn't. What has to do with the quality of your relationship and how successful it is, is you and how well you are choosing for yourself.

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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/6/2013 1:14:52 AM   
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I am happy things are going well for you.

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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/6/2013 7:32:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: blondpinkb
my ex relationship turned that way because we did not have a contract, and i am glad I got out of it. This relationship and M/s is much better and I have choosen more wisely.
If that is what you've extrapolated from all of the comments, you ought to read slowly again. As for more clarification if need be.
It's wonderful that you say you've chosen wisely. Please, don't get a false sense of security from any "contract." No contract will help an unhealthy, abusive relationship, ever.
Good luck, M


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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/8/2013 1:01:54 PM   
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It's hard to take your plight too seriously when your profile is 25% about yourself and 75% about pimping for your Master. Hate to be so blunt. If you have such concerns about yourself, why on earth would you be looking to add another person into the mix??????

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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/8/2013 1:11:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

How does a contract keep a partner from being abusive?


By this she means she sat down and went over a list of likes, dislikes and hard limits, and while not binding, it does help avoid hard limits being ignored in error by the new dom and we all know how tough it is for a sub to use the safe word, so the "contract" is a communication tool which helps the new dom avoid hard limits. It's recommended by most publications I've read when a sub decides to move down this path with a new Dom. An ex-dungeon monitor, "shortblondesub", used it with me to good advantage and taught it's use for a long time in the D.C. area.

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RE: Can it be dangerous to be in a Slave/ master relati... - 3/8/2013 1:34:41 PM   
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Echoing again LOUD AND CLEAR...make sure you are healthy and capable of picking quality people for ANY kind of relationship. Abuse happens in any relationship where one partner has traits an unscrupulous partner can exploit effectively. BDSM changes NOTHING.

And, yes, M/s is dangerous all on its own. Giving away your choices to another in such an absolute fashion is a heavy action demanding of heavy consideration. If it were any other way, I wouldn't be interested.

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