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RE: A lying slave - 3/7/2013 6:22:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


As far as everybody saying that she didn't lie, if this quote is accurate:

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ORIGINAL: drummerman4u

I recently found her texting her former Dom and she denied it. I showed her the text and she said nothing was going on between them.


Then she did lie.
She lied when he asked her if she was talking to this other guy, and she denied it.


Actually, none of us were there, so we don't know what happened.

He doesn't say what he asked her. Syntax matters.

It could be as simple as, "Did you text your ex?" "No, he texted me."

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RE: A lying slave - 3/7/2013 6:44:26 PM   
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My bullshit alarm is in high overdrive on this whole thing, your profile is please please need 24/7 bisexual female slave to move in immediately to "teach her what to do because master demands it".
Yet boo hoo another dom tried to steal your cookie. A SLAVE in my mind is fully dedicated to their owner, no questions, no "unicorn to train me". The relationship has over an extended period of time developed & deepened many times to the point of marriage. For example one could wave naked tits in lady pacts slave clip's face & the response would unquestionably be "get the hell away from me", not maybe I'll ask, not they're pretty I'll look a bit...get away. That is a slave. Carol the same, unquestioning loyalty proven over years!

I had a sub that I caught communicating with another domme. Response was swift, fierce & ultimately final. The fact that "bait" is of interest at all signals the relationship has failed & no one has the sense to bury it yet.

Using drama as unicorn bait so "it" can learn "the proper way to be a slave" signals disfunction so deep I'm suprised the EPA hasn't shown up on the doorstep. No 3rd party is going to do everything the way another expects. If a slave isn't taught what I expect over a long period of time BY ME then how the hell is someone outside the relationship going to know?

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RE: A lying slave - 3/7/2013 6:50:21 PM   
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Here's the thing: I still talk to my ex. Hell, he proposed to me a month before Master and I got married.

Not once has Master ever worried about the fact that he and I still talk. Why? 1) Because he trusts me. He knows that I cannot be "stolen". I have a brain and I use it. 2) If I could that easily be led astray, I wouldn't be worth having anyway.

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RE: A lying slave - 3/7/2013 8:20:21 PM   
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Any suggestions on what I can do to rebuild My trust and faith in My slave? Thanks...


Consider the option of being less of a dick.

What? Too bold? Something about Rule #1? Sorry, honey. You dug the hole. You didn't have to. And you could have just filled it right back in. But you didn't want to. You are bitching because you are standing in the hole you dug. And the bitch is, there's a hole. For some reason, I'm supposed to not know where the hole came from.

I admit I don't know why I'm not supposed to know where the hole you are standing in and bitching about came from. Perhaps you might explain. But I think it would be just as good if you would squat and pull the dirt back in on top of you.

You should probably take a deep breath first.

I hope you will write and tell us how things work out for you.

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RE: A lying slave - 3/7/2013 9:01:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: theRose4U
My bullshit alarm is in high overdrive on this whole thing, your profile is please please need 24/7 bisexual female slave to move in immediately to "teach her what to do because master demands it".

I have to admit, when I read that part I could only think to myself, "Neither one of these two would like what Carol had to teach them."

quote:

Carol the same, unquestioning loyalty proven over years!

Awwww :)

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RE: A lying slave - 3/7/2013 9:29:51 PM   
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Personally I think your relationship is screwed and not because of this incident, only what it stemmed from.

You have trust issues. You don't trust her and you don't think she's smart enough to know a snake in the grass and when she's being taken advantage of.

She has issues with talking to you so I'm going to assume it's either she's afraid of you or she doesn't care about you.

So for either one.....the relationship eventually will end. It may not be today or tomorrow or next month or even this year but I definitely do not see a long term relationship here at all.

My ex contacts me from time to time out of the blue...usually just asking me how I've been, blah blah blah. No big deal.

And I usually tell Master about it during our dinnertime chats..."oh hey, guess who emailed me today? Wanna hear the latest news? "

And you know why Master doesn't get upset? Because he knows I'm not going anywhere. We both know we love each other and have no desire for anyone else.

Can you say the same for your relationship? Think about it.


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RE: A lying slave - 3/8/2013 2:18:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: theRose4U

FR
My bullshit alarm is in high overdrive on this whole thing, your profile is please please need 24/7 bisexual female slave to move in immediately to "teach her what to do because master demands it".
Yet boo hoo another dom tried to steal your cookie. A SLAVE in my mind is fully dedicated to their owner, no questions, no "unicorn to train me". The relationship has over an extended period of time developed & deepened many times to the point of marriage. For example one could wave naked tits in lady pacts slave clip's face & the response would unquestionably be "get the hell away from me", not maybe I'll ask, not they're pretty I'll look a bit...get away. That is a slave. Carol the same, unquestioning loyalty proven over years!

Double awwwww. Even taking Myself and My ego out of the picture, I'd have to agree with you. It sure ain't because I'm the hottest thing on two legs, either. It's a loyalty thing, which clip has in spades.


quote:

Using drama as unicorn bait so "it" can learn "the proper way to be a slave" signals disfunction so deep I'm suprised the EPA hasn't shown up on the doorstep. No 3rd party is going to do everything the way another expects. If a slave isn't taught what I expect over a long period of time BY ME then how the hell is someone outside the relationship going to know?
I didn't read the profile of the OP, but I totally agree with this. If the person leading the dynamic can't teach somebody in the household how things are done, I don't think that's a terribly good sign.

Might even be a part of why this issue came up in the first place.



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RE: A lying slave - 3/8/2013 4:16:58 AM   
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Not once has Master ever worried about the fact that he and I still talk. Why? 1) Because he trusts me. He knows that I cannot be "stolen". I have a brain and I use it. 2) If I could that easily be led astray, I wouldn't be worth having anyway.


I think you should take this particular post to heart, OP. You seem to fear that your slave will be stolen and either (a) this is a legitimate concern, and your slave isn't worth the effort of a long term relationship or (b) your fears are unfounded, such that the distrust you have for your slave is paranoid, disrespectful, and demeaning. I don't date men who won't let me have male friends, because their distrust in me shows that they don't respect my intellect and my ability to fend off the badies myself.

That being said, my current bf did ask me to stop contacting the ex. He didn't demand it of me, but he asked and I complied. But there was a good, well established reason for that. The ex and I had tried to be friends for a while, but he kept admitting that he still had feelings for me and that he was jealous of my current bf. I had hoped those feelings would leave with time and we could be normal friends, but they didn't. In the end I needed to break contact with the ex so that he could move on. Sad, really. But not once did my bf explicitly or implicitly state a fear of losing me. He knew he had me in the bag and respects my integrity as a woman of my word. He just knew that a friendship between myself and the ex just wasn't working out and that it was stressing me out.

Do you have good reasons for forbidding certain contact with your girl? Think about it.


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RE: A lying slave - 3/8/2013 5:07:47 AM   
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I completely agree with all of that. Yes, there are good reasons for curtailing my property's contact with friends, family, ex's, or anyone else including even children. But my own insecurity isn't on that list. Not only isn't it a good reason but I dislike being insecure so I avoid pandering to it.

Another thing from my perspective. While yes, "I have Carol in the bag" to use your line, what's much more urgently true is that I love her and I want the best for her. If, in her considered opinion, some other guy is offering her a better deal then I want to support that. The bottom line is that I'll get over the grief after a year or two and that's a small price to pay for her being in a better spot than where she is now. Of course, it's thinking like that which makes it pretty unlikely that a better offer is going to come along but still...

What sort of horrifies me is owning Carol in the way a lot of vanilla relationships do. It conflicts with everything I believe about "love".

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RE: A lying slave - 3/8/2013 5:21:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


As far as everybody saying that she didn't lie, if this quote is accurate:

quote:

ORIGINAL: drummerman4u

I recently found her texting her former Dom and she denied it. I showed her the text and she said nothing was going on between them.


Then she did lie.
She lied when he asked her if she was talking to this other guy, and she denied it.


Actually, none of us were there, so we don't know what happened.

He doesn't say what he asked her. Syntax matters.

It could be as simple as, "Did you text your ex?" "No, he texted me."


Actually, in the original post, OP said they'd been texting for "a month or so" . That's not a case of syntax, that's a case of her being deceitful. I find it odd, if she thought the ex-Dom had actually gotten PERMISSION from OP, why would she not share some of what the ex was saying? Since there was a former relationship there I'd wonder too what they were up to that she had to be secretive about it.
OP says he doesn't mind her talking to ex, but that the ex has to get his PERMISSION first. That's pretty fair, and typical channel one should take when a Dominant and submissive are actually LIVING TOGETHER. It's only proper to for a Dominant observe some etiquette and make sure one does not trespass, especially since there was a former relationship. This is a D/s relationship willingly entered by both parties, not a vanilla one, and therefore the rules and protocols should go beyond those of a typical vanilla relationship. However, the situation she has created is the same as in a vanilla where one of the partners can't let go of their ex and is sneaking around behind their new partner's back.
I wouldn't put the blame on the ex, it is up to the sub/slave to check with you in regard to contact from outsiders. She really failed You in this regard.

Your deleting her profiles and changing her phone number was a tad over the top though...the proper thing to do would be to tell her you WANT her to do it, but leave it open for her to DECIDE to do it...that way it's HER hand cleaning up her mess, and a good way for her to show you she can part with the old contacts. She should still maintain a healthy connection with other friends though, so I'd leave that option open.

Here is My solution, have her pack all her belongings, and drive her over to her ex's. If she's so important to Him he'll take her back, no problem, solved and done...if he doesn't take her back (he does have a new sub, does he not?) then she'll learn that He's no longer an option.

Whatever you end up doing, you'll have to take a hard look at whether or not you can deal with being with someone whom you know is going to do things behind your back rather than be open and honest with you. I wonder what other things she's been keeping secret.

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RE: A lying slave - 3/8/2013 5:52:09 AM   
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FR.....dude is no master and the slave in question is obviously not a slave. At least not HIS slave.

If I can't trust a woman, I sure as fuck don't want to own her. If she is not 'owned' (think of all of the conversations on here about internal inslavement) then she is not a slave.

Pretty fucking simple.

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RE: A lying slave - 3/8/2013 6:00:05 AM   
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Reading the profile makes this whole thing seem extra silly. But I do think there was deceit on part of the slave; she knew that her M had particular rules for speaking with this person, and she took the ex's word, and then didn't openly share that she'd started talking to the ex for a month. That is a little deceitful and suspicious. I mean, I can only look at it through my own filter, where I would've doubled checked with my M on something like that, rather than just taking this person's self-serving word for it.

And now using this situation as a means to drag a unicorn into your life to "teach" her how to be a "twue slave" - it's definitely becoming something silly. If you, the Master, can't teach her what you want from her, maybe that's the root of your problem? As others here have stated, a person can't be "stolen" away; they WANT to go somewhere else. Sometimes that happens for silly reasons you can do nothing about, but other times, it happens for real reasons that need to be considered and dealt with.

My late M told me to whittle down communication with my ex, because I told him about it, and that this person only seeks me out and talks to me after someone's broken up with him, and he stresses me out with his "woe is me, why didn't i see how good you are?" crap in the wake of these breakups. There can definitely be good reasons to do that, that don't involve insecurity. M had absolutely no reason to fear that I was jumping ship any time soon; he knew, through and through, what my feelings for him were, how much I loved and respected him. So when he did that, it was his way of motivating me to do something that we both knew i already knew I needed to do, if that makes sense. =p I don't necessarily have a problem with D-types limiting contact with certain people; not everyone in a person's life is a healthy influence, and some people actually do begin to function as outright threats to the relationship.

But I have to ask the OP - what is your usual method of dealing with issues? Do you have clearly stated expectations? Sometimes when people act out, they're acting out against an environment that isn't working. I'm not attempting to make an excuse for the slave in this case - she did lie, as I read it anyway, and dishonesty sucks. But if a person is inconsistent and over-the-top in response, that can create a place that a person might want to jump from.

I really DON'T think bringing another person into your relationship, another slave - particularly one who suits your sexual tastes - is the way to handle this. Your sexual tastes have nothing to do with "training" to be a real slave. It's my experience that sex is rarely where people slip up; it's the day to day life stuff, the desire to obey and please, to feel devotion and loyalty -- and those things can be mentored by someone who's 300 lbs and from Columbia. =p The idea that only a bisexual, hwp, white (your preference) slave can mentor about REAL LIFE issues is what makes this all so laughable. Handle this like real adults, please.

If you want her to know what it takes to be a slave to YOU, then YOU need to show her what you want from her. You're the Master. You have to own it.

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RE: A lying slave - 3/8/2013 7:22:16 AM   
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I think I'm with Jeff on this one...there's no way I would let this slide. My questions would be, why is she texting her previous Dom anyway. Her focus is Me. Second, when I asked the first time and had proof, she lied...not good.

When facts show themselves, open your eyes to them. Her previous Dom would have bought her ticket out of there.

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RE: A lying slave - 3/8/2013 9:02:24 AM   
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Thank you everyone for your replies and advise.

Sincerely...

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RE: A lying slave - 3/8/2013 10:19:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: drummerman4u
Thank you everyone for your replies and advise.
Sincerely...

You're welcome and good luck. Yeah... advice here can get pretty ... uh ... pointed. And it's also often frequently wrong since we are mostly trying to guess what actually is going on. Take that which applies and ignore the rest.

Good luck.

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RE: A lying slave - 3/8/2013 1:45:42 PM   
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Am I awaiting approval? I called BS on this nearly 24 hours ago.

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RE: A lying slave - 3/10/2013 6:31:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: drummerman4u
Well, He lied to her and text her without asking for My permission. she did not tell Me they had been texting and continued to do so for a month or so.


Beyond the ridiculousness of expecting someone outside your relationship to obey your orders...

You're punishing her because he lied to her and told her that he had permission. If he told her that he had your permission, that would mean that you already knew and you wouldn't need to be told. A reasonable assumption on her part.

And rather than showing her support because she was lied to, you're throwing a temper tantrum and not communicating. I find that distasteful.









LOL Oside you read my mind. I could just imagine ANY of my former's responses if I said, "umm ask his permission to text me first okay." Yep I find it all distasteful the OP seems on a power trip. Maybe because I have good relationships with most of my former's as a matter of fact one of my former's is still very close to my family. He attended my daughter's wedding.

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RE: A lying slave - 3/10/2013 12:59:12 PM   
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Expecting someone outside your relationship to follow your rules is ridiculous. If you have certain protocols surrounding other Doms and your slave, it is up to her to inform them of such. Some will respect them and some won't, but only a "snake in the grass," to use your own words, would sneak in and lie to her about that.

The only one you can expect to obey you is your own slave/sub, so it's up to her to inform him of the rules the first time a Dom contacts her, regardless of who he is. If he lied to her about having permission, she may have believed him and, in her heart of hearts, really not lied to you. But to preempt that from ever happening again in the future, she needs to double-check with you first and make sure. Double-checking with you will also short-circuit any would-be poachers and general asshats.

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~ETA~ I just realized that, yes, his slave and this other Dom had been texting for over a month so, yest, she DID lie about that.

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RE: A lying slave - 3/10/2013 1:07:03 PM   
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Any suggestions on what I can do to rebuild My trust and faith in My slave? Thanks...


Consider the option of being less of a dick.

What? Too bold? Something about Rule #1? Sorry, honey. You dug the hole. You didn't have to. And you could have just filled it right back in. But you didn't want to. You are bitching because you are standing in the hole you dug. And the bitch is, there's a hole. For some reason, I'm supposed to not know where the hole came from.

I admit I don't know why I'm not supposed to know where the hole you are standing in and bitching about came from. Perhaps you might explain. But I think it would be just as good if you would squat and pull the dirt back in on top of you.

You should probably take a deep breath first.

I hope you will write and tell us how things work out for you.

FrostedFlake, you are hilarious!!!!


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RE: A lying slave - 3/10/2013 3:59:25 PM   
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Well, NBMG, I might have had too much fun with that.

I could have just said I thought it obvious he made the mess himself.

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