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So because he is a movie star, he somehow deserves better treatment? Yeah, racism is shitty, but class honestly doesn't matter when dealing with ignorance.

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Ah now I get it. Any white person speaking up against racism must be left wing. Sorry for the confusion.

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So because he is a movie star, he somehow deserves better treatment? Yeah, racism is shitty, but class honestly doesn't matter when dealing with ignorance.

I think that you misunderstand entirely. Upper-class celebrities ALREADY get treated better, generally. The idea is that the mistreatment of one of the most privileged among us casts light on how the rest of us, who don't have his advantages might be treated. I think the fact that he's a celebrity is an advantage to the argument.

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And why do you consider it spying? One of the jobs of a store clerk is to watch the customers. That is why they put mirrors up so it is easier to see what they are doing. If someone is acting suspicious they get watched more closely to make sure they don't take anything. If someone looks lost they get asked if they need help finding something. It's not spying, it's part of the job.

I call it spying because
a.) She was trying to be covert about it, like SHE had something to hide.

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b.) I had no "suspicious behavior." And there is no universal rulebook for "suspicious behavior."

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In a lot of cases like these people love to imply "You just WANT it to be racism!" But personally, I find that more people will try their absolute best to believe that it wasn't racism, and will convince themselves that they're being objective. 

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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat
Having been on both sides of the coin, I know better. Going to Harvard and working in corporate America as one of the upper-class blacks you speak so highly of, I got to hear that I was so pretty to be so dark, that I was so smart to be black, that I "talk too white", so yeah...wayyyy better treatment as a house Negro.
Growing up in Oakland, it was assumed I would get pregnant and drop out of school because of the color of my skin and what part of town I lived in. Some of that mess went away but a lot of the racism I have experienced came much after moving away from poverty. So pardon me if I think that's a bunch of bullshit. Been there, done that. Rich blacks can't escape racism because of the green in their wallets. Look at Obama...all the Curious George jokes and "terrorist fist bump" jokes and the welfare President stuff. Racism is as American as apple pie, to quote Malcolm X.
Need more examples? I got a bunch. Past or present, you pick.

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So because he is a movie star, he somehow deserves better treatment? Yeah, racism is shitty, but class honestly doesn't matter when dealing with ignorance.

I think that you misunderstand entirely. Upper-class celebrities ALREADY get treated better, generally. The idea is that the mistreatment of one of the most privileged among us casts light on how the rest of us, who don't have his advantages might be treated. I think the fact that he's a celebrity is an advantage to the argument.

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Ah now I get it. Any white person speaking up against racism must be left wing. Sorry for the confusion.

Liberals just tend to automatically believe whatever the newsies are selling as racism, sexism, or just about any kind of "ism". For the most part, libs don't really apply much critical thinking to anything, they just sort of fall in line once they've recieved their marching orders.
We can sum up the liberal response to the piece very simply: A black guy cries "RACISM!" and every lib in the room cries "RACISM!" without any question about what he actually wrote or what his motivation might be. None of the libs here care about the nonsensical argument he's used to justify his charge of racism. Marching orders were given. Marching orders were recieved. Cry "RACISM!"...
Sorry, I require actual evidence before jumping on the bandwagon. As far as this OpEd goes.... there is none. It's an opinion piece. My opinion differs based on a complete and utter lack of factual evidence presented in the OpEd and the fact that it's such a poorly executed argument predicated on the notion that since the author is black he is an infallible expert in race relations. Let's recap his argument:
I'm black.
I've eaten at that deli.
In fact, I eat there a lot.
I feel safe enough at that deli that I will send my black children there alone.
Forrest Whitaker is black.
Forrest Whitaker went to the deli and was harassed because he acted suspicious.
The deli is run by racists.
That kind of logic would get someone kicked off a Jr. High Debate Team and sent back to gradeschool.
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I disagree; I DO get her point. What you two are missing is MY point. Why should celebrities be exempt from the ignorance of racism? Explain it to me. Because they are wealthy? Because of fame? That's not how it works.

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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

Go talk to black kids who get stopped and frisked by OPD, LAPD and NYPD about racism.

NEW YORK -- Jay Victorino was standing outside his mother's apartment when he was grabbed by police...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/11/nypd-operation-clean-halls_n_2852097.html

There's a piece in New York's City Journal that addresses this issue. It's rather long, and posting a few excerpts wouldn't do it justice. So I'm just going to link it. For whoever might choose to take the trouble to read it, I think you'll find that the issue isn't as simple as a few statistics and a lot of overheated rhetoric make it appear -- and that while seldom given the same amount of press, there are legitimate concerns being expressed by members of the black community that fall on the other side of this one.

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If you read the article I posted you would see that there are also members of the black community that fall on both sides...

For your information, I did read it. And in my opinion, the opposing view was treated lightly, in passing, as if it was merely an incidental irrelevancy.

K.

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if you want it to become more and more like a police state then so be it..

That must be my secret desire, yeah. What else could it be.

K.

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Liberals just tend to automatically believe whatever the newsies are selling as racism, sexism, or just about any kind of "ism". For the most part, libs don't really apply much critical thinking to anything, they just sort of fall in line once they've recieved their marching orders.

We can sum up the liberal response to the piece very simply: A black guy cries "RACISM!" and every lib in the room cries "RACISM!" without any question about what he actually wrote or what his motivation might be. None of the libs here care about the nonsensical argument he's used to justify his charge of racism. Marching orders were given. Marching orders were recieved. Cry "RACISM!"...

Sorry, I require actual evidence before jumping on the bandwagon. As far as this OpEd goes.... there is none. It's an opinion piece. My opinion differs based on a complete and utter lack of factual evidence presented in the OpEd and the fact that it's such a poorly executed argument predicated on the notion that since the author is black he is an infallible expert in race relations. Let's recap his argument:

I'm black.
I've eaten at that deli.
In fact, I eat there a lot.
I feel safe enough at that deli that I will send my black children there alone.
Forrest Whitaker is black.
Forrest Whitaker went to the deli and was harassed because he acted suspicious.
The deli is run by racists.

That kind of logic would get someone kicked off a Jr. High Debate Team and sent back to gradeschool.

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ORIGINAL: Exidor
were they supposed to give him a free pass if they thought he'd stolen something?