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MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/12/2013 7:38:09 PM)
Not under any circumstances. Firearms enthusiasts (AKA gun nuts) frequently refer to laws that allow "The Only Ones" to handle weapons as bad laws. Where did the phrase "The Only Ones" come from? I'll show you. Meet DEA agent Lee Paige

njlauren -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/12/2013 8:57:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder Like I said, it's extreme play. Yeah, guns are dangerous. That's the point. Some people enjoy that. I think the only reason Master has never used one on me is because neither of us has a gun. [:D] I can understand the thrill so to speak, the problem isn't the edge play alone, it is in using it in edge play, you are trivializing the seriousness of the gun. When a dominant uses a gun in edge play, they are not meaning to kill the sub, they are using it as a prop, as a means to scare them, they are not thinking of it as a weapon per se, but a scary thing to be played with. The problem is, they start associating it with that play, then when they are cleaning it or doing something with it for real, they take it lightly, or because they now associate it with play, forget to check if they unloaded it after a day at the range, then use it for edge play, and end up popping someones head off.....it is a circle, and it generally ends in someone getting hurt.

njlauren -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/12/2013 8:59:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom Gun play has its fans. They also have a fan club, called the local mortuary association, some of them bound to end up there.

Morganne9999 -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/12/2013 10:10:43 PM)
Every gun is loaded unless I have personally checked it. That would be a little difficult to do when restrained or blindfolded. Taking this from another side (I'm a competitive shooter) this is beyond unsafe. It breeds complacency. Also, I'm not so sure gun oil is the best lubricant.

MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/12/2013 10:13:38 PM)
But you've got to admit, Hoppes No. 9 is a really sexy scent!

MissImmortalPain -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/12/2013 11:01:48 PM)
Okay, I am just going to go ahead and admit I didn't read all of the thread before typing this. I didn't even make me through the whole first page because I kept seeing comments about how people who really know about guns would never do this. I know several people into edge play. Several into gun play and I will go ahead and let everyone know that most of of them have not only been around guns their whole lives seven of them actually make guns and/or sell them for a living. Gun play, like rape play, is a very common fantasy and more people take part in it than people would guess. And yes I am talking about real loaded guns. Mostly hand guns from what I have seen but I do have at least one friend that has done some things with his ak that made me happy I wasn't the girl in the film he shared with me. As for the comments about knives, needles, fire, not being as dangerous.....pfft. Those that say this have obviously never had a knife to their throat, or used one to pierce a man sack. Never hit a vein and ended up in an E.R. Never seen someone set fire to hair. It is called edge play for a reason. No, it isn't for everyone. If it is not for you that is cool but for those of us that are often on the edge please don't assume you know things that you don't. happy little side note Every woman should know that when she fires a gun her brain releases Oxytocin. The same hormone released while having an orgasm. Think about that for a while guys :) because I don't want to have to edit this later I made it to the second page and stoped again. For those that keep talking about prop guns....not everyone knows this but good props fire a hard rubber or paper "shell" that is very able to kill a person if they are hit in the right place. You can kill someone with a paintball gun if you know how. Before you get near the edge know what you are doing. < Advice from the lady that did something obcene to both herself and someone else with a glock 19 last week.

Morganne9999 -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 12:25:58 AM)
Ah Breakfree is my go to! Nothing like the smell of a hot P9 on a cool spring morning. I hear the range calling me... lol

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 2:00:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB About five years ago I was one of the organizers of a capture and interrogate scene that went on for 48 hours, involved 6 submissives/captives, 4 interrogators in balaclavas!, 2 moles and 1 psychiatrist. Along with sensory deprivation and continual interrogation we used prop guns to induce fear. At one point a mole was removed from the other captives and ordered to be shot. The other captives saw him being dragged into another room and then heard the sound of a pistol going off. What actually happened was the mole owned his own starting pistol which he let off once alone. Gun play is very edgy stuff if done with good planning but I agree with those who say it should always be done with a prop. Oh Maria :)

MariaB -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 2:06:13 AM)
The prop guns we used looked like guns but were replicas with a rigid trigger. They didn't fire paper, they didn't fire rubber, they didn't fire full stop. The only way you could of hurt someone with one of those things was to pistol whip them but they were made of such a light material that I doubt they would of done much harm. Perhaps firing a starting pistol in a safe environment was illegal. He and two of the other interrogators were ex marines btw. The thing is, the whole bloody thing was illegal. We had illegally borrowed an old 2nd world war bunker. As far as the law was concerned we had kidnapped people, holding them against their will and were now torturing them. Consent to pain is not legal in the UK. Wasting police time is not legal in the UK. I'm all for safety and that includes mental health but come on people lets not start dictating the law to the point where we are too afraid to do this sort of stuff. So long as its well planned, as ours was, then what one gets is a fantastic and life lasting experience.

MariaB -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 2:21:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain As for the comments about knives, needles, fire, not being as dangerous.....pfft. Those that say this have obviously never had a knife to their throat, or used one to pierce a man sack. Never hit a vein and ended up in an E.R. Never seen someone set fire to hair. It is called edge play for a reason. No, it isn't for everyone. If it is not for you that is cool but for those of us that are often on the edge please don't assume you know things that you don't. Whilst I agree the above mentioned carry there own dangers, I don't believe this is why its called edge play. I'm a needle player as you can well see from my profile. I'm also a fully trained piercer, though thats not a necessary requirement!! I teach people how to safely play pierce their partner and the safest places to pierce. I teach them how to stem a bleed if they hit a vein and I teach them how deal with a fainting person covered in needles and how to monitor for the onset of shock and I also teach them (at all costs) how to avoid a needle stick. The edgy side of needle play is having a foreign object penetrate under your skin but that object is put into the skin by someone who is knowledgeable about the whole thing. Needle play with a person who has limited knowledge is fool hardy. Its not edge play though and neither is anything that really does put your life in danger.

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 2:39:16 AM)
To me, edge play is on the edge of conventional, or things that carry more danger, or higher squick potential. Penetration of the skin carries more danger than impact play (in general) but you can get edgy with impact play by ramping up the intensity. At least that's how I've always seen it... I dunno that she was implying recklessness to anything, though, just that there is this heightened quality of danger vs. "conventional" styles of play. Needles tend to rank in the "edgier" department in my area, just because they squick a lot of people. =p But many people still like to see the pretty designs and effects afterward, they just don't want to actually watch. (something about using "conventional" that way makes me laugh =p)

MissImmortalPain -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 4:56:46 AM)
If not than what are .....breath play, blood play, water(and no I don't mean sports) etc? No, I was not trying to say that edge play is recklessness but I do believe that when a person decides to take part in something that could cause perma harm, even death, they are taking part in edge play. Your opinion may differ but in mine edge falls somewhere beyond SSC and is closer to RACK, even at times passing what some would call the bonderies for RACK. As for my listing needles....I really wasn't talking about play/surface piercings either. I was thinking more along the lines of eye lids (yes I have seen them needles shut) and bloodletting. All in all though "edge" varies from person to person. There are those that think age play, rape play, race play, are edge play. side note I still love guns and swords :)

YN -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 5:41:37 AM)
General Reply - Many years ago I played with a pain and humiliation bottom who had some rather interesting fantasies, among which was "gun play," and which was past my hard limits. Attempting to explain, let alone justify a firearm (especially a loaded one) being as a sex toy, (never mind any related injury, especially if fatal,) to the police and then the Justice Ministry will certainly be past these worthies hard limits.

MariaB -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 7:01:48 AM)
for me and I know our opinions vary, edge play is something that pushes a submissive to the edge of his/her limits and usually involves fear. She's riding on the boundary which makes it not only edgy for her but for the dominant too. Edgy is about taking a risk regarding the submissive loving or hating you after. An example that comes to mind is the kidnap scene we did. Its all about the head fuck and the head fuck has been so finely tuned and meticulously planned that its going to be one hell of a ride. Nobody was in physical danger but mentally this was a challenging and edgy place to go. We could, if we hadn't been monitoring the situation with a fully qualified shrink, caused permanent psychological damage. The thing is, I'm not prepared to cause permanent psychological damage and so I don't cut corners. Edge play should be about making your submissive feel vulnerable and perhaps in great danger but the reality is and should be very different. I have also seen a girl have her eyes needled together and a year later she still has the scars. Did she know she was going to be permanently scarred? no, but she didn't look into it and put far too much trust in the Domme performer. Did the Domme performer know she would probably cause permanent scars? well, as she's off her head on substance most of the time, I very much doubt it! There was nothing edgy about what they did but there was a huge amount of stupidity. I have done flesh hook suspension on people and don't consider that to be a part of BDSM. I don't consider its edge play, so much as an acid type trip created purely through chemical releases going on in the brain.

MissImmortalPain -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 7:55:42 AM)
Actually, Maria, our opinions do not differ by as much as you might think they do. I agree as to what the point of edge play is I think you, just might, not understand that for that "push" to happen for some people there does have to be an "edge" of real danger. Don't get me wrong. I am not saying it is good, bad, or other. I am just saying for some people there really does have to be an edge they can fall off of before anything will kick off in their head. In which case it is the duty of the people taking part to know what they are doing. I know this is more than likely going to catch me nine kinds of hell but....last week. The glock was taken from his glove box. (his gun he knows very well how it works) It was leveled at his head, by me, in public (yeah everyone go ahead and yell about that) He was told to drive to a "friends" house while I did "things" with it to myself. When we got there he was told to clean the gun off with his mouth. When he objected the gun was put in his mouth by force. He stoped objecting quickly and did what he was told. He was crying by the time he was done but when he put the gun down he thanked me. Trust me he in no way now thinks that gun is toy, prop, or harmless. Neither do I, which is why my finger was never on the trigger while this was going on. It was the edge he needed to be pushed to. Infact there is a very good chance that he now better understands how powerful guns are. I am also more than happy to say that nothing like this should ever be done by anyone under the influance of an substances.

Thaz -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 9:46:32 AM)
o/ Into gun play. However I use realistic imitations (very realistic). Now I use airsoft replica's that could indeed fire a pellet that good harm soft tissue (eye balls for example). However I make sure the weapon is safe with no clip and a cleared chamber. As a airsoft Gas Blow back needs the pressure of the gas in the clip it cannot fire with one up the spout if there is no clip. Alternatively I have a few clips that have lost their seals and are dead and gone so I've drilled one of those so it can NEVER hold propellant and use that. I use them for intimidation/take down consual non consent rather than as a sex toy (my FAKE guns are too nice for that let alone my real ones). I consider it no different from using a rebated blunt knife for head games. The issue is of course that if my Sub knows the measures I've gone to then its just a prop and they will know it.

DesFIP -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 11:13:53 AM)
It's a common fantasy. Better done as a mind fuck, showing you a real gun, blindfolding you and using a water pistol instead. They make some incredibly realistic water pistols and paint ball guns. If you're using a paint ball gun, obviously you remove the air tank.

littlewonder -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 4:28:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kana quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar I'm totally into gun play from a conceptual point of view, though it'll probably always stay a fantasy for me. Every guy I've met whom I judge to know enough about guns to actually risk this type of play with refuses on grounds that it'd be too dangerous, and every guy that has thought it a splendid idea and was all over trying it, I didn't consider knowledgable enough around guns to risk it. [:D] This. quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder Neither of us has a gun. [:D] Errrrrrrr, that's not entirely accurate. It was at the time I wrote it. [:-] quote: Now, some bright boy might do something to a gun, make it simply 100% incapable of firing (Cement in the barrel, remove firing mechanisms etc...), then that shit would be balls out fun. I may just hafta do that. Utterly freak her the funk out one day soon. Well....now that I know.....

littlewonder -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 4:59:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonlightmaddnes My husband has a gun that looks just like a real gun but it shoots harmless pellets. He got it to chase squirrels off the bird feeder but found it useful for our teenager when he got mouthy. It does not even hurt, well it stings a bit if it hits bare skin but on jeans or a thick shirt you can barely feel the impact. I was relly glad our neighbors knew us really well when DH was shooting our son when he did not have a shirt on and he squealed daddy please stop shooting me. Hilarious how a kid who could come home with purple bruises from football and find them cool squeals like a girl when it comes to his dad. When my mom was really young, someone shot her legs with a pellet gun. Since then she's had these varicose veins on her legs that cause her pain.

littlewonder -> RE: Gun play in bdsm? (3/13/2013 5:04:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: njlauren quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder Like I said, it's extreme play. Yeah, guns are dangerous. That's the point. Some people enjoy that. I think the only reason Master has never used one on me is because neither of us has a gun. [:D] I can understand the thrill so to speak, the problem isn't the edge play alone, it is in using it in edge play, you are trivializing the seriousness of the gun. When a dominant uses a gun in edge play, they are not meaning to kill the sub, they are using it as a prop, as a means to scare them, they are not thinking of it as a weapon per se, but a scary thing to be played with. The problem is, they start associating it with that play, then when they are cleaning it or doing something with it for real, they take it lightly, or because they now associate it with play, forget to check if they unloaded it after a day at the range, then use it for edge play, and end up popping someones head off.....it is a circle, and it generally ends in someone getting hurt. Not making it trivial at all. I also know a couple that plays with nooses and hanging until she passes out. Yup. Someone could die from that too. I knew a girl who liked to be stabbed in places where you could easily die if you even slipped a few centimeters. Those are all deadly. But if that person is aware of the risks, why would I care? So it's their fetish or kink. I just don't go around telling people what to do or not do and it's really none of my business what they do with their lives. The question was asked about gunplay in bdsm. I gave the information that I know of some people in real life that I used to know. I have no idea where they are today or if they still practice. For all I know, they're dead or in jail. quote: MissImmortalPain wrote: for that "push" to happen for some people there does have to be an "edge" of real danger. Don't get me wrong. I am not saying it is good, bad, or other. I am just saying for some people there really does have to be an edge they can fall off of before anything will kick off in their head. In which case it is the duty of the people taking part to know what they are doing. This. For me if I know it's not real. If I know it's just only pretend and not actually real, then for me I don't really find anything exciting about it. I don't feel any vulnerability. I can't roleplay. I can't pretend. It's just boring to me. I need to know that there's a very real possibility for me that it will happen. That's why Master will tell me things that I know I'm not sure if he will actually do to me. I've doubted a couple times before and made light of it, became comfortable with him, only to find out he wasn't joking. It happened. After that I've never really doubted him. I never really know for sure when he will or won't do something. I don't take anything lightly with him anymore. If it never happens then I breathe a big, giant sigh of relief. [8D]

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