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DesideriScuri -> RE: Obama’s Policies (Either Real or Perceived) Cause Rise of Labeled Extremist Groups (3/15/2013 10:23:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Crying to the wrong person. Left to me we'd collect them all. I don't need a gun and you don't need a gun. If you are such a pussy that you can't protect yourself without a gun then you deserve what you got coming to you. OMG!! Man of Steel now? So, if an armed person breaks into your house, you will be able to stop the bullet(s)? And, let's get down to the nitty gritty here. You say you don't need a gun? Fine. Don't have one. You have absolutely zero authority to tell, let alone even know, if someone else needs a gun. And, what's more, you don't have the authority to tell them they can't have one.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Obama’s Policies (Either Real or Perceived) Cause Rise of Labeled Extremist Groups (3/15/2013 1:02:56 PM)
Yes man of steel. Faster than any bullet. Are you actually taking the crap being thrown out by the OP seriously? If you are.....

Moonhead -> RE: Obama’s Policies (Either Real or Perceived) Cause Rise of Labeled Extremist Groups (3/15/2013 1:08:57 PM)
Somebody's taking it seriously, or we wouldn't have two pages of this thread.

TricklessMagic -> RE: Obama’s Policies (Either Real or Perceived) Cause Rise of Labeled Extremist Groups (3/15/2013 5:51:43 PM)
Addressing DomYngBLK [/quote][/size] Your basic premise is off the rails on two points: 1. Liberals haven't asked to disarm Americans. Not in the least. 2. Hate breeds hate. All of these groups Hate something or someone. Its not healthy for any society. [/quote] So I challenged you and everyone on point 1 and your come back is to go straight to immaturity. Uh-huh. Well I wasn't "crying" maybe you don't know what that word means, might want to google it. Now I could go into the implications of your statements but your lack of maturity has demonstrated that its pointless to do so. You have your position, I have mine, oh well. I think we just have to admit that when challenged about the whole ban/disarm/taking bit about guns. There are just a bunch of folks who want to do so but they don't necessarily have the courage to come straight out and say it. Instead they'll attempt to lie and deflect till they are called to the floor with facts. Now DomYngBlk had the courage to finally come out and state his stance, good for him, he is welcome to his opinion. But for him to make his point 1 and then fail to back it up or admit he was wrong, simply shows there is no reason to give anymore credence to his contributions in this matter. To DesideriScuri in regards to DomYngBlk, you know these types. You know where they stand. You know it's a waste of energy to argue with them. Yes we assume based by his statements and pic he is a strong and healthy young male who advocates, seemingly, law of the jungle. Survival of the fittest. If you are elderly, pre-pubescent, medically disabled, and you are victimized, based upon DomYngBlk's statements, if you are victimized you deserve it. Hmmm so all those African Americans that were enslaved till 1864, exploited, abused, murdered, and raped, whom were only liberated when lots of people used guns to fight not just a Civil War, but to also enforce the Reconstruction Era and turn the south into military occupied and managed areas, and then those African Americans who were later lynched and murdered, again going by DomYngBlk's statements, deserved what they got. Wow, just wow. Now to address JeffBC. Seriously? [/quote][/size] I have a serious question for you intended to probe boundary conditions. What's your thought on individual ownership of gene-engineered biologicals in a weaponized package? Are you up for your neighbor having tools which will absolutely kill millions if not billions if used? [/quote] Okay I'm going to assume you assume I'm a complete fool and play this through. But first, how is there any kind of parallel between a gene-?engineered biological weapon and a gun, let's say a machine gun. Let's use a machine gun for an example, let's use a BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle) and let's give it a thirty round magazine, and the firearm uses the venerable .30-06, a dandy of a round. The BAR's shelf life without maintenance and continuous use runs out at thirty thousand rounds or so. I'm assuming continuous use in this situation and the BAR's rifle failed typically around three thousand rounds when used continuously in the course of 24 hours, a hard lesson learned during Viet Nam, it's a great rifle but it's terrible as a Light Machine Gun. The Bren Gun is far superior as an LMG. So going forward with this point, a madman grabs a BAR and starts randomly killing people in say a crowded mall. Eventually the mall will be evacuated, but we can figure for at least a hundred dead. The cops will eventually arrive, surround the gun man and eliminate him. Now this is assuming there is no one with a CWP or off duty police officer moving to engage the gunman. This happened a few years back where a gunman used a semi-automatic rifle with asethic features that made it an "Assault Weapon" as labeled by the liberal press. An off duty policeman engaged the gunman with a 1911 .45 ACP with an eight shot mag and kept the gunman occupied till more heavily armed officers arrived (the event was demonstration on while you need reloads). A few people were unfortunately killed. Then you have another event http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html but once the gunman met a gun carrier, he offed himself. So good guys with guns seem to stop bad guys when it comes to guns. Now let's look at biological weapons. Biological weapons are undetectable by and large and require some of the most rare experts to combat them, and are completely indiscriminate. In the guns scenario, good guys can combat bad guys on potentially even playing field unless you live in an Anti-RKBA state or City, or D.C., you're just plain fucked if a gunman goes wild because as some people found out in NYC not too long ago, if the gunman doesn't get you the cops who can't shoot for shit will get you shot. Biological weapons can fester and reproduce on their own as well as mutate to become more resistant, guns can't and certainly don't because if they could I would cross-breed a BAR with a Ruger Mini-14 and have it mutate into a caseless ammunition system. A more apt parallel would have been an RPG or flamethrower. Next thing I know you'll try the tired Red-Herring of nuclear arms "TIRED". Alright who's next?

Leadership525 -> RE: Obama’s Policies (Either Real or Perceived) Cause Rise of Labeled Extremist Groups (3/15/2013 8:11:46 PM)
Perhaps you should be concerned what they are up too as opposed what they are up against

Owner59 -> RE: Obama’s Policies (Either Real or Perceived) Cause Rise of Labeled Extremist Groups (3/15/2013 8:20:47 PM)
How about we do both? They`re not mutually exclusive. The right wing lunatic fringe are responsible for most of our terrorist attacks in America. Normal folks(Kirata?) don`t want to purposely ignore this real threat.

TricklessMagic -> RE: Obama’s Policies (Either Real or Perceived) Cause Rise of Labeled Extremist Groups (3/15/2013 8:47:37 PM)
Yeah it's only been the right wing fringe and never any on the left, hmm Bill Ayers. The right is just better at it, that's the problem. Hey other than Timothy McVeigh who on the right committed a terrorist act just out of curiosity, haven't heard of any others unless you count a bunch camo dressed folks running around in the woods playing with guns as terrorist attacks. Chris Dorner was a Bush supporter but he was also anti-RKBA and blamed the availability of his armaments for his actions on top of the L.A.P.D. being corrupt, but in the end he was just another loon.

Owner59 -> RE: Obama’s Policies (Either Real or Perceived) Cause Rise of Labeled Extremist Groups (3/15/2013 8:53:49 PM)
Thanks for acknowledging that today,the domestic terrorists, are rightist....... You`re ,lol, being very helpful tonight.....what`s up?[:D]

TricklessMagic -> RE: Obama’s Policies (Either Real or Perceived) Cause Rise of Labeled Extremist Groups (3/15/2013 9:25:52 PM)
Eh it's called the end of a miserable seventy hour work week and I'm watching bad television with the fiancee while she nurses the crud. I honestly haven't heard of any lefty terrorists lately, oh sure bullshit by ACORN and the Democrats but they aren't terrorists, some of them scum but even I will admit there are some good Democrats. Being a terrorist takes conviction and balls, I'd say some degree of intelligence but there have been a few cases where intelligence was absent in my opinion. I just can't think of a single right winged terrorist since McVeigh which in my opinion is more of an anomaly which was kind of my point from the beginning. Most of these groups that are being watched as extremists are lame and harmless. They're more likely drinking groups than terrorist groups. I'm a Jew and I know folks who many would identify as extremists and I just don't see it. Yeah they go shooting, love to use their power tools, do homebuilds on guns and gun making tools, are fairly sure the government is corrupt and headed in bad direction, but they also volunteer with the elderly and sick. I got into hospice volunteering because one of my good shooting buddies convinced me to start. He goes for few hours after church most Sundays and he brings his two dogs which folks seem to love. They're folks who I know go out of their way to stock food pantries (granted after they buy a ton of nonperishables) for the needy and be counted on to show up at soup kitchens come Christmas time. Yeah do they fly confederate flags and say some horrible things from time to time in privacy of their homes and friends but in public you'll never see a nicer bunch of folks. I mean shit one of the more racist of the bunch pulled over one time to help a black woman with two kids change a tire, granted we had her car jacked and the spare on under fifteen minutes but we watched a good dozen cars drive past as we came up on them. We laughed for a while afterwards as to what the poor woman must have been thinking as two skin heads got out of a pickup truck to offer kind words, use of their cell phone, and helped her get back on the road. Things in this country aren't good, but they're not bad either so we're all waiting to see how this goes. Is a false sense of safety more important liberty. Is being rendered vulnerable to criminals at large more important than letting your neighbor own what he has owned for decades in the face of an ever dwindling crime and homicide rate in this country. You can pass whatever law you want, won't stop me from doing what I am going to do, I'll just do it in secret, I know how to take a 60% receiver for many types of firearms and turn them into fully functional firearms. I know how to make 60% receivers, and there is big business in those 60% receivers. So you go ahead and create a black market, I'll profit. And maybe something you might not of known of, and feel free to look it up, .458 Socom. Ten rounds of .458 socom go into a 30 round mag of .223 and you can use a .223 follower. Granted I made single stack .458 Socom followers for my mags. Mag springs aren't that hard to make, a little used engine oil, a little time with a gas torch, a mandrel made of cut wood, voila. Mags are fairly easy to make as well. See there will likely be a grandfathering of mags like in the last ban, and if you don't think folks weren't making new mags and using them look up "rebuild kits" and if you don't think folks were creating false time stamps on their mags for those few that were ever date stamped for Pre-Ban use, well it's pretty easy to inscribe those false date stamps. I mean I've already got my dummy 30 round mags worked up, they're real simple. ABS plastic to form the case, and a water soluable plastic such as PVA to create that "permanent" fixture that prevents more than ten rounds from being loaded. I mean there are many other ways but you can just buy the novel I'll eventually release, my fun little fictional novel that can double as a field manual. Ain't reality a bitch.

MrRodgers -> RE: Obama’s Policies (Either Real or Perceived) Cause Rise of Labeled Extremist Groups (3/15/2013 10:26:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic Yes, but I'm curious to see what the SCOTUS will do over the next few years. My guess? The SC will uphold disarming americans because an armed populace is not good for a fascist state (or corporatist if we find that word more palatable). I have a serious question for you intended to probe boundary conditions. What's your thought on individual ownership of gene-engineered biologicals in a weaponized package? Are you up for your neighbor having tools which will absolutely kill millions if not billions if used? Well without going quite that far it is getting dangerously amusing if that's possible that people so quickly forget that it was under Bush the Louisiana NG, during the Katrian aftermath, deputized under [his] modification of martial law and posse comitatus ...that actually did start and go door to door to confiscate guns. That is the ONLY time I've ever heard or seen of such a thing.

MrRodgers -> RE: Obama’s Policies (Either Real or Perceived) Cause Rise of Labeled Extremist Groups (3/15/2013 10:28:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic Eh it's called the end of a miserable seventy hour work week and I'm watching bad television with the fiancee while she nurses the crud. I honestly haven't heard of any lefty terrorists lately, oh sure bullshit by ACORN and the Democrats but they aren't terrorists, some of them scum but even I will admit there are some good Democrats. Being a terrorist takes conviction and balls, I'd say some degree of intelligence but there have been a few cases where intelligence was absent in my opinion. I just can't think of a single right winged terrorist since McVeigh which in my opinion is more of an anomaly which was kind of my point from the beginning. Most of these groups that are being watched as extremists are lame and harmless. They're more likely drinking groups than terrorist groups. I'm a Jew and I know folks who many would identify as extremists and I just don't see it. Yeah they go shooting, love to use their power tools, do homebuilds on guns and gun making tools, are fairly sure the government is corrupt and headed in bad direction, but they also volunteer with the elderly and sick. I got into hospice volunteering because one of my good shooting buddies convinced me to start. He goes for few hours after church most Sundays and he brings his two dogs which folks seem to love. They're folks who I know go out of their way to stock food pantries (granted after they buy a ton of nonperishables) for the needy and be counted on to show up at soup kitchens come Christmas time. Yeah do they fly confederate flags and say some horrible things from time to time in privacy of their homes and friends but in public you'll never see a nicer bunch of folks. I mean shit one of the more racist of the bunch pulled over one time to help a black woman with two kids change a tire, granted we had her car jacked and the spare on under fifteen minutes but we watched a good dozen cars drive past as we came up on them. We laughed for a while afterwards as to what the poor woman must have been thinking as two skin heads got out of a pickup truck to offer kind words, use of their cell phone, and helped her get back on the road. Things in this country aren't good, but they're not bad either so we're all waiting to see how this goes. Is a false sense of safety more important liberty. Is being rendered vulnerable to criminals at large more important than letting your neighbor own what he has owned for decades in the face of an ever dwindling crime and homicide rate in this country. You can pass whatever law you want, won't stop me from doing what I am going to do, I'll just do it in secret, I know how to take a 60% receiver for many types of firearms and turn them into fully functional firearms. I know how to make 60% receivers, and there is big business in those 60% receivers. So you go ahead and create a black market, I'll profit. And maybe something you might not of known of, and feel free to look it up, .458 Socom. Ten rounds of .458 socom go into a 30 round mag of .223 and you can use a .223 follower. Granted I made single stack .458 Socom followers for my mags. Mag springs aren't that hard to make, a little used engine oil, a little time with a gas torch, a mandrel made of cut wood, voila. Mags are fairly easy to make as well. See there will likely be a grandfathering of mags like in the last ban, and if you don't think folks weren't making new mags and using them look up "rebuild kits" and if you don't think folks were creating false time stamps on their mags for those few that were ever date stamped for Pre-Ban use, well it's pretty easy to inscribe those false date stamps. I mean I've already got my dummy 30 round mags worked up, they're real simple. ABS plastic to form the case, and a water soluable plastic such as PVA to create that "permanent" fixture that prevents more than ten rounds from being loaded. I mean there are many other ways but you can just buy the novel I'll eventually release, my fun little fictional novel that can double as a field manual. Ain't reality a bitch. God, your partisan shrill continues to be nothing less than unmitigated bullshit.

MrRodgers -> RE: Obama’s Policies (Either Real or Perceived) Cause Rise of Labeled Extremist Groups (3/15/2013 10:33:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic Yeah it's only been the right wing fringe and never any on the left, hmm Bill Ayers. The right is just better at it, that's the problem. Hey other than Timothy McVeigh who on the right committed a terrorist act just out of curiosity, haven't heard of any others unless you count a bunch camo dressed folks running around in the woods playing with guns as terrorist attacks. Chris Dorner was a Bush supporter but he was also anti-RKBA and blamed the availability of his armaments for his actions on top of the L.A.P.D. being corrupt, but in the end he was just another loon. Corrupt city police is the norm. This is after all...America. Corrupt bankers who gamble our money away, launder billions in drug money for 40 years without a single jail term. Get a grip people...America is gone. Already a very prolific beginning to capitalist fascism. The border guards and street cops with their K9 noses fishing for a smell...the new American Nazis.

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