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JeffBC -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 10:32:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: muhly22222 Eco-terrorists (who fall on the liberal side of the spectrum) Gosh, I'm SO much less worried about the eco-terrorists on the left than I am the fascists on the left. Obama and his gaggle of supporters scare the piss out of me. A handful of nutjob eco-terrorists... not so much. So yeah, I think the left has loonies who are more than comparable with the crap that happened at CPAC.

vincentML -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 10:36:29 AM)
quote: I'd be so tempted to believe you but that's the whole gig with libertarians... They believe in economic warfare but no other kind. So "let the market decide" is their chosen field of contest. They KNOW such a thing is foolish at best and immoral at worst... and this is one of the smaller ways that'd be true. Before he was elected, Rand Paul was on with Rachel Maddow. He stated his beef with the public accommodations portion of the Civil Rights Act. He felt that a pub owner should be able to choose who to serve, or not. So for Rand propeerty is more important than people. Not a far step from the plantation massa who considered people property.

vincentML -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 10:38:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: muhly22222 Eco-terrorists (who fall on the liberal side of the spectrum) Gosh, I'm SO much less worried about the eco-terrorists on the left than I am the fascists on the left. Obama and his gaggle of supporters scare the piss out of me. A handful of nutjob eco-terrorists... not so much. So yeah, I think the left has loonies who are more than comparable with the crap that happened at CPAC. Eco-terrorists! WTF? When were they last in the news??? What a stretch by muhly! Lookin hard for that moral equivalency.

Owner59 -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 11:20:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: muhly22222 quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: As always with a story like this, the question arises: Were these just two isolated loons, or were they saying what others were thinking? Does it really matter that much? That they are all in the same party as the loons tells its own story doesn't it? Um...no. There are plenty of loons in both major parties. Eco-terrorists (who fall on the liberal side of the spectrum), for instance, could also be considered loons ("eco-terrorists" being individuals who espouse violence against others' property in the name of protecting the environment). And that's just one example. Ummm no... While I don`t support or condone the practice(and have said so in the past)...sneaking in at night and burning down a McMansion(one one the causes of the housing bubble btw,but who knew) is a little different than bombing a clinic or shooting a doctor or what tim mcveigh did. More important tho,is what the leadership says and does. At this very moment we have Sarah "don`t retreat,reload" Palin,trying again in vain to shift thier blame onto President Obama.....at the CPAC meeting. No wonder she`s so popular with guys like rich.[:D] It`s the republicans who`re encouraging the violent,provocative gestures and words. Anyone with half a brain knows this will eventually have a bad outcome. Hoover calling MLK the most dangerous person in America,placed a target and death sentence on the minister`s head. No one is calling for restrictions of freedom of speech,in fact I welcome republicans shooting themselves in the foot[:D]. But it does have consequences and the leadership should discourage this kind of dark rhetoric.......and are not.

Real0ne -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 11:45:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Asked if he disagreed with slavery, Terry described it as a "complicated issue. I can't make one broad statement that categorically it was evil all the time because that's not true". Asked to clarify his comments about "shelter and food", Terry said: "The slaves couldn't just work without being supplied quarters and all that. And you couldn't just … it's not legal to murder a slave. Slaves even had rights under the old south." Willful killing of a slave exacts a fine of 700 pounds, and "passion" killing 350 pounds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_codes#Deep_South You missed the best part! Deep South South Carolina established its slave code in 1712, based on the 1688 English slave code employed in Barbados. The South Carolina slave code served as the model for other colonies in North America. In 1770, Georgia adopted the South Carolina slave code, and then Florida adopted the Georgia code.[3] The 1712 South Carolina slave code included provisions such as:[3] Slaves were forbidden to leave the owner's property, unless accompanied by a white person, or obtaining permission. If a slave leaves the owner's property without permission, "every white person" is required to chastise such slaves Any slave attempting to run away and leave the colony (later, state) receives the death penalty Any slave who evades capture for 20 days or more is to be publicly whipped for t its done with paper now, as any x-pat. and I raise you one bond slave Debt bondage (slavery) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Bond slaves) Slavery Contemporary Related topics Indentured servant Unfree labour Debt bondage (or bonded labor) is a person's pledge of their labor or services as repayment for a loan or other debt. The services required to repay the debt may be undefined, and the services' duration may be undefined. Debt bondage can be passed on from generation to generation.[1] Debt bondage was very common in Ancient Greece. In ancient Athens, Solon forbade taking out loans using oneself as a security and ended any current such debts. In modern times, debt bondage is most prevalent in South Asia;[1] Americas American colonies - Persons bonded themselves to an owner who paid their passage to the New World. They worked until the debt of passage was paid off, often for years. Pawnage or pawn slavery is a form of servitude akin to bonded labor under which the debtor provides another human being as security or collateral for the debt. Until the debt (including interest on it) is paid off, the creditor has the use of the labor of the pawn.[11] Debt bondage has been defined by the United Nations as a form of "modern day slavery"[12] and is prohibited by international law. It is specifically dealt with by article 1(a) of the United Nations 1956 Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery. It persists nonetheless especially in developing nations, which have few mechanisms for credit security or bankruptcy, and where fewer people hold formal title to land or possessions. U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK The Outstanding Public Debt as of 16 Mar 2013 at 06:41:52 PM GMT is: $ 1 6 , 7 1 5 , 4 1 7 , 8 3 8 , 5 5 9 . 2 0 The estimated population of the United States is 314,603,552 so each citizen's share of this debt is $53,131.69. I'm so glad I am FREE! we are all slaves because we have no control over either spending or the amount of taxes paid, and do not give me that representation bullshit because the state constitutions in most states do not give the residents the authority to determine taxes.

tazzygirl -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 11:48:47 AM)
Dood.... lol... you are so funny. I was addressing the idiots comment about penalties for killing a slave. And that is ONLY of the owner is caught, someone complains AND they actually get found guilty. Racism is always excused by people who are ignorant of the facts.

JeffBC -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 11:52:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML So for Rand property is more important than people. Not a far step from the plantation massa who considered people property. It is and it isn't. As I have repeatedly said, Rand's view is more a property rights view than a racism view. In point of fact Rand's view probably isn't racist. Again, my position is that his view enslaves ALL of us which by definition isn't racist. It's simply reprehensible. When libertarians support unrestricted property rights they are really supporting those who own stuff. And for anyone who knows anything about the world today that's a very small bucket and getting smaller by the month. The good news is that the underclass in their system probably won't be very interested in the libertarian line of "but you're bad if you shoot me". That's why me.... a non-gun-owner, is so pro gun ownership.

Real0ne -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 11:55:33 AM)
most people are incapable of wrapping their heads around the depths of the word "benefit". the slave trap.

Owner59 -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 11:57:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Dood.... lol... you are so funny. I was addressing the idiots comment about penalties for killing a slave. And that is ONLY of the owner is caught, someone complains AND they actually get found guilty. Racism is always excused by people who are ignorant of the facts. [sm=applause.gif] [sm=yourock.gif]

dcnovice -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 12:48:19 PM)
quote: Obama and his gaggle of supporters scare the piss out of me. Sincere question: Why?

JeffBC -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 3:02:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Obama and his gaggle of supporters scare the piss out of me. Sincere question: Why? Obama is a corporatist. Every appointment, every action, every single thing he has done has been pro-business. "Corporatism" is the word Benito Mussolini preferred for "Fascism". So calling him a fascist seems pretty reasonable rather than some sort of pejorative. Beyond that, he has demonstrated an ongoing willingness to assert the rights of the state over the rights of the individual. He has poured endless money into domestic surveillance and control mechanisms. Under his reign the militarization of the police force (and DHS) continues apace. The incarceration numbers tell a similar story. In other words, the phrase "police state" isn't entirely accurate right now but he's pushing in that direction. He's also shown, in my mind anyway, reckless abandon for the US constitution trashing most or all of the bill of rights. So I basically agree with the statement that we currently have a fascist state and we have a "turn-key police state" -- that is to say... all the tools and levers of a police state are in place just waiting for the switch to be thrown. And while that is certainly not all Obama's doing he's the guy in the driver's seat right now. Even worse, he's sold people on the idea that he's the good guy.

tazzygirl -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 3:08:44 PM)
Why would a dictator allow others to call him a dictator?

Real0ne -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 3:10:12 PM)
kennedy is actually the one that pried open that pandoras box and previous administrations gave him the tools to do so. the police state was created with the creation of constitutions. That can only be found by reading volumes of law. I would suggest keeton prosser restatement of torts, here is is kept behind the counter in the reference section of the local law library. Its quoted all the time by several supreme courts but you will soon realize that we in fact have been living in a police state and that switch is to prevent court actions in the event they want to exercize a complete military takeover, which does not make sense in a manner of speaking since that is what america already is. quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC So I basically agree with the statement that we currently have a fascist state and we have a "turn-key police state" -- that is to say... all the tools and levers of a police state are in place just waiting for the switch to be thrown. And while that is certainly not all Obama's doing he's the guy in the driver's seat right now. Even worse, he's sold people on the idea that he's the good guy. we have both. it was hitler v stalin still is. and always will be as long as we have mob rule in the name of democracy. the depths of this is no longer taught in any school if it ever was.

JeffBC -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 3:21:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne the police state was created with the creation of constitutions. The phrase "police state" is undefined so it's like arguing who's a "true master". But the meaning I was using wasn't the meaning of "anything but anarchy". I was thinking something along these lines: a political unit characterized by repressive governmental control of political, economic, and social life usually by an arbitrary exercise of power by police and especially secret police in place of regular operation of administrative and judicial organs of the government according to publicly known legal procedures Insofar as Hitler, I shied away from that. I've read more than one historical comparison between pre-Nazi germany and the US right now. But we all know that such comparisons are doomed to be laughed at no matter how rigorously documented.

Real0ne -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 3:27:37 PM)
police derives to "policy". Policy (not law) is generally within corporations. We officially went from the rule of law in the US to policy between 1933 and 1938, tyvm fdr. the police state is otherwise known as the policy of the "realm" of the kingdom. It was by kings prerogative not law, presumed to be "within the law", here known as legislative fiat and judicial progressiveness. (yes small world) all perfectly defined as: quote: a political unit characterized by repressive governmental control of political, economic, and social life usually by an arbitrary exercise of power by police and especially secret police in place of regular operation of administrative and judicial organs of the government according to publicly known legal procedures still waters run VERY deep. and we get glimpses now and then that give us clues where we have been and how we got to where we are today. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/blacks/wisconsincreationofconstitutionpoliticiansbenefit1.jpg[/image] Oh and BTW, 60,000 was the number of inhabitants required to split the spoils in the feudal system between all the king pals when conquering a territory. Free of course means franchised with all liege sworn to the US. wel the flag, ultimately the same thing for jurisdictional purposes. Ironic its repeated in the NWO! -as stated above LOL

vincentML -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 3:46:02 PM)
quote: Obama is a corporatist. Every appointment, every action, every single thing he has done has been pro-business. "Corporatism" is the word Benito Mussolini preferred for "Fascism". So calling him a fascist seems pretty reasonable rather than some sort of pejorative. You really don't know what a corporatist is. You have swallowed a big scare word and are now simply regurgitating it. Corporatism has very little to do with being pro-business. Mussolini's corporatism was an attempt to organize labor and management into councils. Your use of the term is far off the mark. Il Duce was a rabid socialist much admired early on by FDR and W Churchill. Try this for some enlightenment: Corporatism, also known as corporativism has more than one meaning. It may refer to political, or social organization that involves association of the people of society into corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labour, military, patronage, or scientific affiliations, on the basis of common interests.[1] Corporatism is theoretically based upon the interpretation of a community as an organic body.[2][3] The term corporatism is based on the Latin root word "corpus" (plural – "corpora") meaning "body".[3] In 1881, Pope Leo XIII commissioned theologians and social thinkers to study corporatism and provide a definition for it. In 1884 in Freiburg, the commission declared that corporatism was a "system of social organization that has at its base the grouping of men according to the community of their natural interests and social functions, and as true and proper organs of the state they direct and coordinate labor and capital in matters of common interest".[4] Corporatism is related to the sociological concept of structural functionalism.[5] Corporate social interaction is common within kinship groups such as families, clans and ethnicities.[6] Aside from humans, certain animal species are known to exhibit strong corporate social organization, such as penguins.[7][8] Corporatist types of community and social interaction are common to many ideologies, including: absolutism, capitalism, conservatism, fascism, liberalism, progressivism, reactionism, socialism, and syndicalism.[9] For Benito: Corporatism may also refer to economic tripartism involving negotiations between business, labour, and state interest groups to establish economic policy.[10] This is sometimes also referred to as neo-corporatism. SOURCE You are free to dislike the President and his policies but please don't make up shit. It's so, yanno, conspiratorial. [8\|]

tazzygirl -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 3:58:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: I'd be so tempted to believe you but that's the whole gig with libertarians... They believe in economic warfare but no other kind. So "let the market decide" is their chosen field of contest. They KNOW such a thing is foolish at best and immoral at worst... and this is one of the smaller ways that'd be true. Before he was elected, Rand Paul was on with Rachel Maddow. He stated his beef with the public accommodations portion of the Civil Rights Act. He felt that a pub owner should be able to choose who to serve, or not. So for Rand propeerty is more important than people. Not a far step from the plantation massa who considered people property. But, a pub owner can decide who to serve or not serve already.

JeffBC -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 4:34:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML You really don't know what corporatist is. You have swallowed a big scare word and are now simply regurgitating it. Thanks for the education. You're right, I had that totally wrong.... which also makes me recant the word "fascist". By the way, those weren't scare words for me. They were just a rookie mistake equating "corporation" with "corporatism". So got any suggestions for a word to describe a system of government wherein capital runs the show? After my mistake with corporatism I'm loathe to leap to to the obvious and say "capitalism". And yeah, the semantic update doesn't really change anything regarding the reality of what he's doing.

vincentML -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 5:47:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML You really don't know what corporatist is. You have swallowed a big scare word and are now simply regurgitating it. Thanks for the education. You're right, I had that totally wrong.... which also makes me recant the word "fascist". By the way, those weren't scare words for me. They were just a rookie mistake equating "corporation" with "corporatism". So got any suggestions for a word to describe a system of government wherein capital runs the show? After my mistake with corporatism I'm loathe to leap to to the obvious and say "capitalism". And yeah, the semantic update doesn't really change anything regarding the reality of what he's doing. Happy you recanted "fascist." That would have been unforgivably scurrilous. A word to describe a system of government where capitalism runs the show? Sure: "Business as usual" So, tell us what in particular is he doing that has you uspset?

vincentML -> RE: A Lively Moment at CPAC: Slavery = Food + Shelter (3/16/2013 5:50:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: I'd be so tempted to believe you but that's the whole gig with libertarians... They believe in economic warfare but no other kind. So "let the market decide" is their chosen field of contest. They KNOW such a thing is foolish at best and immoral at worst... and this is one of the smaller ways that'd be true. Before he was elected, Rand Paul was on with Rachel Maddow. He stated his beef with the public accommodations portion of the Civil Rights Act. He felt that a pub owner should be able to choose who to serve, or not. So for Rand propeerty is more important than people. Not a far step from the plantation massa who considered people property. But, a pub owner can decide who to serve or not serve already. Not on the basis of skin color he can't. That was Rand's complaint. He specifically objected to that portion of the Civil Rights Act.

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