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But, yes, fuck Europe for its insular, smallminded backwardness, where they continue to diminish the rights of the individual to honor the state, and isolate themselves from the rest of the world and discourage commerce and liberty in the name of social good and deprive their foreign-born citizens of rights and long for the days of any actual relevance in a quickly-changing world.

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Descrite - you're American. I mean, Jesus, that's like a whole factory full of kettles calling one little pot 'black'.

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Fuck Europe for not understanding the element that makes the United States supreme in all of human history

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ORIGINAL: dawnspirit

Hi Everyone,

Whilst I've been advertising here for a few months, I joined this forum only yesterday and introduced myself in the appropriate section. Along with my introduction, I made mention of a potential, forthcoming problem involving sites such as this within Europe and thought I'd best post this info on the General board.

I'm not strictly within the BDSM scene (just DD +) so don't follow what's happening. However, I came across some rather alarming news that could, if the EU report is passed on Tuesday, effect this and many similar sites within Europe. Many of you may already know about this but, should you be unaware of what's happening, I offer you this FET link:

https://fetlife.com/groups/29263/group_posts/3650586?escape=false&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=new_group_discussion

now take a look at this:

http://falkvinge.net/2013/03/06/next-tuesday-the-eu

and this:

http://rt.com/news/eu-porn-ban-censorship-concerns-176/

Whilst the main report has been rejected, there is to be an EU vote next Tuesday on a re-worded report that could still affect sites such as this within Europe. Therefore, some members of FetLife are asking for everyone to pressurize their MEP to reject the report completely.

Has anyone e-mailed their MEP to this effect ?

It has been pointed out that the EU network is blocking mail related to this issue by treating it as spam. However, I'm given to understand that if one sends mail via the "BCC" facility, as opposed to the usual "To" it's getting through but please refer to FetLife for all the details, they even have prepared text ready to send.

It has also occurred to me that, should restrictions be placed on sites within the EU, those residing within the EU may be blocked from similar sites on a worldwide basis. With the pressurized co-operation of all the servers within the EU, this can be done.

Graham

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Descrite - you're American. I mean, Jesus, that's like a whole factory full of kettles calling one little pot 'black'.

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Descrite - you're American. I mean, Jesus, that's like a whole factory full of kettles calling one little pot 'black'.

Sure, sure. We have no lack of Christian Taliban and Creationists and socialists and other retrograde imbeciles.

However, we are a scant 240 years old. Think about that, for a second. We have committed many wrongs -and some atrocities- but look how far we've come, what we've given the species, and the general contribution to the betterment of the planet (start in terms of sheer personal, individual wealth and move on through technology and continue on from there)...and try to even guess what we could have done if we had the 1200+ years Europe has taken to come full circle to insular, fascist states, replete with aristocracies and codified racism.

We've come a long way since the Puritans. Since Wounded Knee. Since Jim Crow. Since Selma. Since Kent State. We are better than we were.

But ask yourself this: why is everyone following in our steps, when they had such a huge head start? Why do they ape our culture, crave our justice, envy our wealth?

Because we're better. We have more freedom, more libertine markets, greater institutional responsibility than all of the kleptocracies and plutocracies and theocracies in the world. Yes, Gitmo is an abomination, and drone strikes are the pinnacle of enfranchised evil, and wars of aggression are the express opposite of what we stand for...but we're getting better. We are still better than anyone else, ever. Our poor people have cell phones, Nikes, extra layers of fat, and can get fresh fruit out of season-- they live better than pashas and warlords the rest of the world over.

I say again: fuck Europe. Their legislation, communal economy, surveillance society, and conditioned response to bloodlines of despots is reprehensible, and no sane model to desire. They continue to export bad ideas, and the topic of this thread is a perfect example.

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Lmao, forgetting your roots I see. No British Empire, no United States. Some of you seem eternally ungrateful.

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That's the odd thing about imperial aspirations-- those colonists are just so damned UPPITY, amirite? What with wanting their freedom and human rights and shit.

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Lmao, forgetting your roots I see. No British Empire, no United States. Some of you seem eternally ungrateful.

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Lmao, forgetting your roots I see. No British Empire, no United States. Some of you seem eternally ungrateful.

Oddly, neither the people at the Boston or Amritsar Massacres looked at the British Empire as a beneficial building block to their nation's eventual status. I doubt the Argentinians are big fans, either. Or the Malays. Or the Hondurans.


That's the odd thing about imperial aspirations-- those colonists are just so damned UPPITY, amirite? What with wanting their freedom and human rights and shit.

Weird, though-- I've been to Belize, and there's a constituency that actually wants you BACK.


Sorry-- forgot to include Ireland and Palestine. Bizarre absence in that list. Sorry about that.

Stockholm Syndrome, it seems. Or-- London Syndrome, I guess.


(One-third of Americans were actually loyalists, frankly...shows you how much some folks fear their very own freedom...much like sheeple today.)


Oh-- and fuck Europe.

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

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Lmao, forgetting your roots I see. No British Empire, no United States. Some of you seem eternally ungrateful.

If not you Britts then it would have been the French (as they founded Canada) or the Spanish who were Columbus' first choice for a supporter.

On a subject that is NOT 400 years old, how do you suppose that whole WWII thing would have worked out for you without the United States.

Even more recently, what about the Falkland Islands War in 1982?   It was the U.S. Navy who had to refuel your armada ships at sea so they could actually make it to the battle.   Without our assistance, Argentina's dinky little military would have put you in your place.

Speaking of Navies, how do you like those nukes you carry on your submarines for a nuclear deterrent?   As I'm sure you know, they are provided and maintained by the U.S. Department of Energy since the U.K. isnt as robust as France.   The French have their own nuclear capabilities where the U.K. has none.

Oh wait.....The French have their own aircraft carrier where the U.K. doesn't have a single ship capable of launching anything other than helicopters.


Tell me again why we should be oh so in awe of your history............without having to delve centuries into the past.

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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

Hey now, Nookers, don't scare this fine fellow off. I think he classes the joint up a bit, no?!

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the U.K. doesn't have a single ship capable of launching anything other than helicopters.

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the U.K. doesn't have a single ship capable of launching anything other than helicopters.

I think they have some that can launch Harriers, no?

Otherwise-- point well taken.

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Because we're better. We have more freedom, more libertine markets, greater institutional responsibility than all of the kleptocracies and plutocracies and theocracies in the world. Yes, Gitmo is an abomination, and drone strikes are the pinnacle of enfranchised evil, and wars of aggression are the express opposite of what we stand for...but we're getting better. We are still better than anyone else, ever. Our poor people have cell phones, Nikes, extra layers of fat, and can get fresh fruit out of season-- they live better than pashas and warlords the rest of the world over.

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

I'm sure they absolutely will use the measure for controlling the bad, bad porn sites.

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in the name of protecting you women of course because we all know you women don't like sex or porn

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Those efforts may or may not be public... for instance, many governments nowadays like to do this with a treaty which can be secretly negotiated.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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That's the odd thing about imperial aspirations-- those colonists are just so damned UPPITY, amirite? What with wanting their freedom and human rights and shit.

Oh Jesus H. fucking Christ. Yet another American who wants a) to show how much we Europeans are oppressing him but b) to show just how supremely is powerful the USA and c) hasn't the first frigging clue that we Europeans might just understand our own history perhaps even better than an American might.