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OttersSwim -> Lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine were part of an elaborate scheme to blow up the Death Star (3/18/2013 3:01:43 PM)

Lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine were part of an elaborate scheme to blow up the Death Star in order to drum up support for their Empire.

What would Vader and the Emperor possibly gain from such an act? After the Death Star was destroyed, the economy of the Empire's reach, specifically their stocks in Sienar Fleet Systems and Kuat Drive Yards (Manufacturing companies of the Imperial Navy Fleet, specifically its TIE fighters and Star Destroyers) fell drastically after stockholders feared that the Empire was in turmoil. The Empire's currency system was also drastically hurt, to the point that the Galactic market nearly crashed as an imbalance in the value of Imperial credits took a major turn for the worst as Galactic citizens were unsure of who would be running the Galaxy, the Empire or a New Republic.

Add to the fact that the Death Star itself was inhabited by some of its top officials and finest stormtroopers, numbering in the hundreds of thousands. The Empire thrives on its manpower, so eliminating such a large quantity of Imperial officials and stormtroopers (despite the fact that they aren't very good marksmen), not to mention the pilots, droids, and many other troopers ... ridiculous. Why would they sacrifice so much?

Lastly on the Death Star note, this structure had been the pride of the Empire. The ultimate symbol of its tight grasp over the galaxy. If they allowed it to be destroyed, that would certainly hurt their galactic image and more star systems would easily slip through their fingers.

What's more, the X-Wings and Y-Wings were remotely controlled or flown by droids. It's true!






subrob1967 -> RE: Lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine were part of an elaborate scheme to blow up the Death Star (3/18/2013 3:42:47 PM)

More proof




OttersSwim -> RE: Lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine were part of an elaborate scheme to blow up the Death Star (3/18/2013 4:10:47 PM)

Damn Right Rob!

We all KNOW it was an imperialist conspiracy that destroyed the Death Star, not some rag-tag group of ninnies with delusions of grandeur...




subrob1967 -> RE: Lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine were part of an elaborate scheme to blow up the Death Star (3/18/2013 5:41:47 PM)

As if anyone would believe a two bit Nerf herder from a desert planet could shoot not one but TWO proton torpedoes into that heavily defended shaft!




Zonie63 -> RE: Lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine were part of an elaborate scheme to blow up the Death Star (3/18/2013 11:51:57 PM)

They neglected to mention that even though Luke had no formal military training, he could still bullseye womp rats back home, and they're not bigger than two meters.

Plus, he used the Force, which could be an indication of an even larger conspiracy. Could the Dark Side and the Light Side of the Force have been in cahoots with each other, setting up the galaxy for a huge epic battle between Good and Evil?

And what role do the midi-chlorians have in this whole sordid affair?





subrob1967 -> RE: Lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine were part of an elaborate scheme to blow up the Death Star (3/19/2013 6:34:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

They neglected to mention that even though Luke had no formal military training, he could still bullseye womp rats back home, and they're not bigger than two meters.

Plus, he used the Force, which could be an indication of an even larger conspiracy. Could the Dark Side and the Light Side of the Force have been in cahoots with each other, setting up the galaxy for a huge epic battle between Good and Evil?

And what role do the midi-chlorians have in this whole sordid affair?




Bullseyeing Whomprats in a T16 then switiching to a top of the line snub fighter is like taking flying lessons in a Cessna, then expertly flying a Boeing 747!




OttersSwim -> RE: Lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine were part of an elaborate scheme to blow up the Death Star (3/19/2013 7:36:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

And what role do the midi-chlorians have in this whole sordid affair?



Sheesh, What a cock up the midi-chlorians have been for centuries. Started as a liberal namby pamby entitlement program under Dark Lord Marka Ragnos back in the thousand year reign of Sith Emperor Vitiate...what a waste that was trying to prop up the force with public money during a budget crisis because the "good guys" were losing their asses and the Sith were running out of enemies to fight. So they spend billions on trying to "boost" midi-chlorians counts in Jedi so they would have a fighting chance! HA! The public scandal that hit both the Sith and the Jedi is remembered even today!

And look at what it has brought us. Some milktoast "hero" with only mediocre midi-chlorian counts from a welfare planet fighting with his "father" (another only partially successful liberal conversion, Hello!) over scraps of an empire that has totally lost its way...it's like a damn daytime holodrama I tell you!




Zonie63 -> RE: Lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine were part of an elaborate scheme to blow up the Death Star (3/19/2013 10:04:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

And what role do the midi-chlorians have in this whole sordid affair?



Sheesh, What a cock up the midi-chlorians have been for centuries. Started as a liberal namby pamby entitlement program under Dark Lord Marka Ragnos back in the thousand year reign of Sith Emperor Vitiate...what a waste that was trying to prop up the force with public money during a budget crisis because the "good guys" were losing their asses and the Sith were running out of enemies to fight. So they spend billions on trying to "boost" midi-chlorians counts in Jedi so they would have a fighting chance! HA! The public scandal that hit both the Sith and the Jedi is remembered even today!

And look at what it has brought us. Some milktoast "hero" with only mediocre midi-chlorian counts from a welfare planet fighting with his "father" (another only partially successful liberal conversion, Hello!) over scraps of an empire that has totally lost its way...it's like a damn daytime holodrama I tell you!



I would also question how an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops could have been defeated by a bunch of teddy bears.

The entire Jabba the Hutt angle is a bit suspicious, too. Could it be that Luke was used as a patsy by Vader and the Emperor to eliminate the notorious gangster? His smuggling operations must have undercut the Empire's tax revenue, so they force a situation to cause Han Solo, Jabba's best smuggler, to fall out of favor, knowing that he'll eventually wind up at Mos Eisley and meet up with Luke and Obi-Wan. Jabba got wind of the plot, and sent some assassins to eliminate both Luke and Han. We see this when Luke just enters the bar and someone instantly doesn't like him, as if he already knew who he was. Obi-Wan saved Luke from that assassin, and Han was able to defeat the one sent for him.

We also see that Darth Vader is very deferent toward Boba Fett, probably because he wants the bounty hunter to take Han back to Jabba, which would give Luke an impetus for going after him and dealing with Jabba. Darth Vader wouldn't ordinarily take shit like that, but he had to allow it for his plan to succeed. Even though his own officers are complaining that they don't need bounty hunters and that kind of scum, Vader seems to be allowing it, for reasons which are not immediately obvious. We also see that Vader, clearly a superior fighter to Luke, lets Luke escape (and also allows the Cloud City's central computer to inform R2D2 of the sabotage to the hyperdrive on the Millennium Falcon, which gives R2 the information he needs to make immediate repairs). Uncharacteristically for Vader, we see him casually walk away after he sees the Falcon get away, without getting mad or Force choking any of his minions - which he's generally wont to do whenever something goes wrong. He didn't use Force choke because he already knew what was going on, and his plan was ostensibly working.

Vader also had a lingering personal grudge against Hutt when he found out that he bet on Sebulba in the pod race and that he was constantly fixing the race so that "Sebulba always wins." But he couldn't get his revenge publicly, since there were political subtleties involved, so he thought that Luke and his madcap band of misfits would do the job for him. And that's what they did, they eliminated Jabba the Hutt.

Han Solo eventually realized what happened and acquired evidence implicating the Emperor and Vader in the plot, and took that evidence to confront the Emperor. In a deleted scene, Han Solo is seen arguing with the Emperor, who becomes indignant at the accusation and says "How dare you bark at me like some kind of junkyard jawa! I am the Emperor of the Galactic Empire!" He also warns Solo that his accusations will go nowhere, and that the blame would be put on him. He adds that Vader and Luke will also take some of the blame, but it won't amount to much. They'll get a slap on the wrist and then 20,000 Credits an hour on the lecture circuit. It's the old Coruscant two-step.




OttersSwim -> RE: Lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine were part of an elaborate scheme to blow up the Death Star (3/19/2013 10:34:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

And what role do the midi-chlorians have in this whole sordid affair?



Sheesh, What a cock up the midi-chlorians have been for centuries. Started as a liberal namby pamby entitlement program under Dark Lord Marka Ragnos back in the thousand year reign of Sith Emperor Vitiate...what a waste that was trying to prop up the force with public money during a budget crisis because the "good guys" were losing their asses and the Sith were running out of enemies to fight. So they spend billions on trying to "boost" midi-chlorians counts in Jedi so they would have a fighting chance! HA! The public scandal that hit both the Sith and the Jedi is remembered even today!

And look at what it has brought us. Some milktoast "hero" with only mediocre midi-chlorian counts from a welfare planet fighting with his "father" (another only partially successful liberal conversion, Hello!) over scraps of an empire that has totally lost its way...it's like a damn daytime holodrama I tell you!



and Han was able to defeat the one sent for him.
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Han Solo eventually realized what happened and acquired evidence implicating the Emperor and Vader in the plot, and took that evidence to confront the Emperor. In a deleted scene, Han Solo is seen arguing with the Emperor, who becomes indignant at the accusation and says "How dare you bark at me like some kind of junkyard jawa! I am the Emperor of the Galactic Empire!" He also warns Solo that his accusations will go nowhere, and that the blame would be put on him. He adds that Vader and Luke will also take some of the blame, but it won't amount to much. They'll get a slap on the wrist and then 20,000 Credits an hour on the lecture circuit. It's the old Coruscant two-step.


There is a massive coverup around that. Some claim that Han shot first, which would make him a murder. Two different vids show very different things - which one is real and which one is an attempt at rewriting history and coverup? Further, the supposed "uncovering" of the second vid years later smacks of revisionist history and a possible "second shooter". Who shot that vid, and why did they keep it locked away for so many years?




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