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jlf1961 -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 12:25:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

So then to be clear you're pretty OK with your neighbor building nukes in his garage?



Considering how hard it is to actually come up with the nuclear material to make a nuke, it is a flawed argument. For that matter so is the "storing of biologicals" since bio weapons require specialized storage facilities that cannot be put into a garage, regardless of what the entertainment industry would have you believe.

Considering the fact that black powder is unregulated, and while the typical use is for black powder firearms, it is still an explosive. I know blackpowder shooters who stockpile enough of the stuff to level their house if it ever went off.




Real0ne -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 12:31:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

This is good news. Now if I win the lottery, I will have something to spend another $60K on. I already have decided I am going to spend $250k on ammo....


Homeland Security Explains Plan To Purchase More Than 1.6 Billion Bullets: Buying In Bulk Is Cheaper

probly to secure the borders when americans try to escape.







slvemike4u -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 12:32:40 PM)

So the obvious question is :
Are you comfortable living next door to someone stockpiling enough black powder to level his house,were it to go "boom" ?
If so,why ?
If not,why are you comfortable with him being legally allowed to ?




Real0ne -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 12:34:19 PM)

if there has been an injury then you have the right to sue and you will in fact win if you are correct.




jlf1961 -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 12:58:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

So the obvious question is :
Are you comfortable living next door to someone stockpiling enough black powder to level his house,were it to go "boom" ?
If so,why ?
If not,why are you comfortable with him being legally allowed to ?



I see you missed the point of my statement. I said black powder was unrgulated to make a point.

The point being that the regulations need to be addressed, not the need to ban anything.




Nosathro -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 1:28:48 PM)

Lets hear it for more Mass Murders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  

JLF , when you buy your ammo you might want to wash the stench of those dead kids off your hands. Hate to see your prized possessions get messy

First of all, I would remind you that Columbine happened during the first Assault Weapons Ban.



The kids used shotguns a carbine and pistol that were not on the ban list, they were also purchased for them by adults those law abiding gun owner types, legally.

US Supreme Court
Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose




jlf1961 -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 1:39:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Lets hear it for more Mass Murders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  

JLF , when you buy your ammo you might want to wash the stench of those dead kids off your hands. Hate to see your prized possessions get messy

First of all, I would remind you that Columbine happened during the first Assault Weapons Ban.



The kids used shotguns a carbine and pistol that were not on the ban list, they were also purchased for them by adults those law abiding gun owner types, legally.

US Supreme Court
Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose



Yup the carbine.

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Hi-Point Firearms Model 995 Carbine
Affordable and functional, but decidedly unglamorous, this basic rifle can run with the big dogs.
Read what a cop wrote about the carbine


The pistol, a Interdynamic KG-9 and Intratec TEC DC-9 "assault" pistol, basically the civilian version of a fully automatic pistol.

Two sawed off shotguns, one pump, one double barrel.

Add to that a variety of knives and a lot of pipe bombs.

And you know something, this collective guilt tactic is bullshit.

By that logic, car manufacturers should be held accountable for the thousands that die in car accidents.

Liquor makers are responsible for the thousands killed by drunk drivers.

And criminal rights proponents should be held responsible for the thousands of crime victims because of early release for "good behavior."

To repeat what I said to young dom black, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.




Nosathro -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 3:11:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Lets hear it for more Mass Murders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  

JLF , when you buy your ammo you might want to wash the stench of those dead kids off your hands. Hate to see your prized possessions get messy

First of all, I would remind you that Columbine happened during the first Assault Weapons Ban.



The kids used shotguns a carbine and pistol that were not on the ban list, they were also purchased for them by adults those law abiding gun owner types, legally.

US Supreme Court
Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose



Yup the carbine.

quote:

Hi-Point Firearms Model 995 Carbine
Affordable and functional, but decidedly unglamorous, this basic rifle can run with the big dogs.
Read what a cop wrote about the carbine


The pistol, a Interdynamic KG-9 and Intratec TEC DC-9 "assault" pistol, basically the civilian version of a fully automatic pistol.

Two sawed off shotguns, one pump, one double barrel.

Add to that a variety of knives and a lot of pipe bombs.

And you know something, this collective guilt tactic is bullshit.

By that logic, car manufacturers should be held accountable for the thousands that die in car accidents.

Liquor makers are responsible for the thousands killed by drunk drivers.

And criminal rights proponents should be held responsible for the thousands of crime victims because of early release for "good behavior."

To repeat what I said to young dom black, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.


The carbine was not banned, the 1994 Ban only covered those weapons manufactured after the ban was signed into law.
I do have a question, the pro gun owner focuse on the ban yet ignore the that fact that two adults bought the weapons. Would you call them criminals? or law abiding citizens?




jlf1961 -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 3:51:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro


The carbine was not banned, the 1994 Ban only covered those weapons manufactured after the ban was signed into law.
I do have a question, the pro gun owner focuse on the ban yet ignore the that fact that two adults bought the weapons. Would you call them criminals? or law abiding citizens?



Well some brilliant legal mind in the local District Attorney's office decided they were not criminally accountable for the purchase of the weapons.

My use of the word "brilliant" is sarcastic of course.

The adults were sued in civil court.




Politesub53 -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 4:53:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

if there has been an injury then you have the right to sue and you will in fact win if you are correct.


Not if you die in the explosion brains [8|]




Level -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 4:59:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

if there has been an injury then you have the right to sue and you will in fact win if you are correct.


Not if you die in the explosion brains [8|]


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DomYngBlk -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 5:56:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
JLF , when you buy your ammo you might want to wash the stench of those dead kids off your hands. Hate to see your prized possessions get messy

Would you care to support your claim that JLF is guilty by reason of association?

Do you really believe that guns (or video games or whatever) is the root cause of violence in American culture? While I definitely believe that REALLY, REALLY strong restrictions on gun ownership (basically no guns) would do something in terms of dropping the murder rate, I don't think gun ownership is even remotely root cause. For that I look to a generally lawless society. You can see that clearly in the people we elect to govern us. We don't care about what is right. We don't care about honor. We care about winning.

And honestly, if winning is your #1 priority then it takes a few broken eggs to make an omelet, no?

All that as an aside, the whole "assault weapon" thing seems to me (a non gun owner) to be a lot like saying, "Well that gun is black with a carbon fiber stock so it's obviously more deadly than that brown gun with the wooden stock".



Of course, it isn't the root cause. But are you going to tell me that guns don't make mass murder much much easier? Or murder for that matter. Said yourself, remove guns decrease murder rate. If it was your kid that got his body blown apart by those shells so that he/she wasn't recongnizable I think you'd probably have a different opinion.




jlf1961 -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 6:00:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro


The carbine was not banned, the 1994 Ban only covered those weapons manufactured after the ban was signed into law.
I do have a question, the pro gun owner focuse on the ban yet ignore the that fact that two adults bought the weapons. Would you call them criminals? or law abiding citizens?


Actually that carbine was not banned, it failed to meet all the necessary specifics to be considered an assault weapon.




Powergamz1 -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 6:01:52 PM)

Hmmmm... a knee jerk unworkable solution doesn't make it through the bill process, and instead of discussing any form of remedy that will work *in the real world*, you proceed to dance on the graves of those kids in order to derail any rational discussion of a real fix...

Carl Rove would approve of how well you've learned to use his tactics.

Step away from the schadenfreude.


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: Level

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_22823979/breaking-news-assault-weapons-ban-dropped-from-senate



Lets hear it for more Mass Murders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  

JLF , when you buy your ammo you might want to wash the stench of those dead kids off your hands. Hate to see your prized possessions get messy





DomYngBlk -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 6:03:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: Level

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_22823979/breaking-news-assault-weapons-ban-dropped-from-senate



Lets hear it for more Mass Murders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  

JLF , when you buy your ammo you might want to wash the stench of those dead kids off your hands. Hate to see your prized possessions get messy


First of all, I would remind you that Columbine happened during the first Assault Weapons Ban.

Secondly, If you knew anything about firearms, you would know that all the traits listed that make up an "assault weapon" under the proposed ban are strictly cosmetic. You can custom build an AR without the pistol grip, bayonet lug and other points that Feinstein considers to be the defining characteristics of an assault weapon.

Third, owning any of these weapons listed in the proposed ban or large amounts of ammo does not make one a fucking mass murderer.

Fourth, any one that received the same training with an M1A, the civilian version of the sniper rifle I was issued while in the army could achieve the same body count as at Sandy Hook... and that weapon is not listed in the ban. Actually, anyone with an M1A could achieve the same body count if he or she were marginally proficient with the weapon.

Fifth, the tactic of anti gun proponents trying to pass some collective guilt for these crimes onto gun owners is bullshit. I am anti abortion, you dont see me trying to say that pro choice advocates are guilty of murder simply because they are pro choice?

Sixth, what the fuck is an assault weapon ban or any gun ban going to do about criminals with guns? Oh, I forgot, criminals with guns will turn in their guns if they are banned.

Lets see, cocaine, heroin, pot, LSD, and god knows how many other controlled substances are detrimental to the health of people, lets ban those....

Oh, yeah, we did, how in the fuck is that working out?

The US has banned other things in its history, you want to tell me how effective prohibition was?

Smoking kills people, you want to ban cigarettes too? Granted, in some cities, anti smoking advocates have damn near made smoking in public illegal.

Firearms, in and of themselves, do not kill people. Cars, in and of themselves, do not make people drive drunk. Alcohol in and of itself does not make people drink until they are falling down, knee walking, toilet hugging drunk.

It is humans that do all those things. When a person wants to kill, they will use a gun, knife, poison, baseball bat, explosives (even if they have to make the stuff themselves) and a number of other items to kill. Hell you can kill someone by over hydrating a person.

I may need to wash my hands to wash the blood of the people killed at Sandy Hook off them? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

The only blood on my hands are the deer that I have killed, and the men I killed under US Government orders. Collective guilt by association is bullshit.





Sure sure,,,,the human argument. I get it. you got nothing in this argument. No stains. Just that you advocate the sale and use of any and all weapons including the ones used in those incidents. Fuck off if you don't think you own some of it. Sure you do. Every time you write your congressman or senator or voice your opinion to keep those types of weapons in people's hands. Fuck that ain't even touching what handguns do.

And why you got it? All because you "need" it. Great, remind me to send a note off to the people in Aurora that says "tough shit, jlf needs his guns"




NorfDomSub4BiFem -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 6:47:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: Level

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_22823979/breaking-news-assault-weapons-ban-dropped-from-senate



Lets hear it for more Mass Murders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  

JLF , when you buy your ammo you might want to wash the stench of those dead kids off your hands. Hate to see your prized possessions get messy


First of all, I would remind you that Columbine happened during the first Assault Weapons Ban.

Secondly, If you knew anything about firearms, you would know that all the traits listed that make up an "assault weapon" under the proposed ban are strictly cosmetic. You can custom build an AR without the pistol grip, bayonet lug and other points that Feinstein considers to be the defining characteristics of an assault weapon.

Third, owning any of these weapons listed in the proposed ban or large amounts of ammo does not make one a fucking mass murderer.

Fourth, any one that received the same training with an M1A, the civilian version of the sniper rifle I was issued while in the army could achieve the same body count as at Sandy Hook... and that weapon is not listed in the ban. Actually, anyone with an M1A could achieve the same body count if he or she were marginally proficient with the weapon.

Fifth, the tactic of anti gun proponents trying to pass some collective guilt for these crimes onto gun owners is bullshit. I am anti abortion, you dont see me trying to say that pro choice advocates are guilty of murder simply because they are pro choice?

Sixth, what the fuck is an assault weapon ban or any gun ban going to do about criminals with guns? Oh, I forgot, criminals with guns will turn in their guns if they are banned.

Lets see, cocaine, heroin, pot, LSD, and god knows how many other controlled substances are detrimental to the health of people, lets ban those....

Oh, yeah, we did, how in the fuck is that working out?

The US has banned other things in its history, you want to tell me how effective prohibition was?

Smoking kills people, you want to ban cigarettes too? Granted, in some cities, anti smoking advocates have damn near made smoking in public illegal.

Firearms, in and of themselves, do not kill people. Cars, in and of themselves, do not make people drive drunk. Alcohol in and of itself does not make people drink until they are falling down, knee walking, toilet hugging drunk.

It is humans that do all those things. When a person wants to kill, they will use a gun, knife, poison, baseball bat, explosives (even if they have to make the stuff themselves) and a number of other items to kill. Hell you can kill someone by over hydrating a person.

I may need to wash my hands to wash the blood of the people killed at Sandy Hook off them? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

The only blood on my hands are the deer that I have killed, and the men I killed under US Government orders. Collective guilt by association is bullshit.





Sure sure,,,,the human argument. I get it. you got nothing in this argument. No stains. Just that you advocate the sale and use of any and all weapons including the ones used in those incidents. Fuck off if you don't think you own some of it. Sure you do. Every time you write your congressman or senator or voice your opinion to keep those types of weapons in people's hands. Fuck that ain't even touching what handguns do.

And why you got it? All because you "need" it. Great, remind me to send a note off to the people in Aurora that says "tough shit, jlf needs his guns"



DYB, if you are truly concerned about deaths and if obesity possibly contributes to 400,000 deaths a year, should we not ban fat people as well?


Certified Sig, Glock, H&K MP5, Colt M16,AR15, Colt 9mm Subgun armorer here, been shooting pistols since I was 8.

Her Master




NorfDomSub4BiFem -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 6:53:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


Actually that carbine was not banned, it failed to meet all the necessary specifics to be considered an assault weapon.


Correct JLF, most "carbines" were not affected because they did not meet the required AWB 10 pts, but certain carbines like the AR-15 "shory CAR" were, as were certain pistols like the HK SP89.

Her Master




Powergamz1 -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 7:20:21 PM)

And how exacty does reductio ad absurdum of duelling unworkable theories solve *any* problem?


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ORIGINAL: NorfDomSub4BiFem

DYB, if you are truly concerned about deaths and if obesity possibly contributes to 400,000 deaths a year, should we not ban fat people as well?






RottenJohnny -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 7:34:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NorfDomSub4BiFem
DYB, if you are truly concerned about deaths and if obesity possibly contributes to 400,000 deaths a year, should we not ban fat people as well?


As a gun wielding fat guy, I find myself struggling with contradictory impulses because of this comment.




Owner59 -> RE: Dems drop assault weapons from bill (3/20/2013 7:45:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

And how exacty does reductio ad absurdum of duelling unworkable theories solve *any* problem?


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ORIGINAL: NorfDomSub4BiFem

DYB, if you are truly concerned about deaths and if obesity possibly contributes to 400,000 deaths a year, should we not ban fat people as well?






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