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How many of you are:


Pro Gun, pro capital punishment, anti abortion
  24% (13)
Anti gun, anti abortion, anti capital punishment
  5% (3)
Pro gun, pro abortion, pro capital punishment
  39% (21)
Pro gun, anti capital punishment, pro abortion
  18% (10)
Anti gun, pro abortion, anti capital punishment
  11% (6)


Total Votes : 53
(last vote on : 3/26/2013 4:57:38 AM)
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Moonhead -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 6:05:18 AM)

So, just out of interest, who's going to pay for the broodmare to take time off work or drop out of school and attend antenatal classes while she brings her precious and irreplaceable foetus (that will be placed for adoption the second she drops it, obvs) to term?

You've still yet to cite any sources for this "48% of dirty skanks are on their second abortion because they're too stupid to use birth control" figure, you know.




Lucylastic -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 6:10:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1



I agree with the sentiments of no abortions if it's just for convenience - that's shameful.

But lets look at the other side of the coin shall we??
What about all those girls/women that can't keep their legs shut, fuck anything with a penis, and drop sprogs all over the place to force the authorities to give them social housing ahead of legitimate needy families?
I dunno about the US but it happens a lot over here and it's fucking infuriating!!
Being told you have to wait 7 FUCKING YEARS before you are likely to be considered for housing sorta sticks in the craw a bit - all because of sluts and immigrants with a football team of children!!



yeah talk about shameful
Right there....well done[:'(]




Lynnxz -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 6:20:57 AM)

I WAS going to post the census data, but apparently collarme can't handle images larger than my fingertip.

Have a link instead

In the end, it doesn't matter WHY someone terminates a pregnancy, or what anyone on the outside thinks about it.




thompsonx -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 6:26:06 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

FR:
So long as you're not shooting the foetus, there isn't really a contradiction between being pro gun control and in favour of a woman's right to choose.
[;)]
Now the fact that are lot of the wingnut fundie right in favour of capital punishment but opposed to abortion is definitely a bit of cognitive dissonance, on the other hand...



Capital punishment is a retroactive abortion.




Lucylastic -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 6:28:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

I WAS going to post the census data, but apparently collarme can't handle images larger than my fingertip.

Have a link instead

In the end, it doesn't matter WHY someone terminates a pregnancy, or what anyone on the outside thinks about it.


Think this is the "relevant" section?

[image]local://upfiles/228382/B6D9F611C9A740B1A8EBFF97E5CBEA62.jpg[/image]




tweakabelle -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 6:39:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1



I agree with the sentiments of no abortions if it's just for convenience - that's shameful.

But lets look at the other side of the coin shall we??
What about all those girls/women that can't keep their legs shut, fuck anything with a penis, and drop sprogs all over the place to force the authorities to give them social housing ahead of legitimate needy families?
I dunno about the US but it happens a lot over here and it's fucking infuriating!!
Being told you have to wait 7 FUCKING YEARS before you are likely to be considered for housing sorta sticks in the craw a bit - all because of sluts and immigrants with a football team of children!!



yeah talk about shameful
Right there....well done[:'(]

I note that your signature line, Lucy, includes:
Six out of the seven dwarfs are not Happy

Just our bad luck to have encountered the seventh......[8|]

BTW wasn't one of the dwarfs named Grumpy?




Lucylastic -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 6:49:15 AM)

Please see your mailbox:)




tweakabelle -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 7:06:35 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Please see your mailbox:)

Toot! Toot! Mail call for Lucylastic!




cordeliasub -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 7:28:24 AM)

quote:

you would like to reduce a woman being unwantedly pregnant to a mere incubator for someone else?


I am very thankful for my unselfish and loving "incubator." Because she decided to allow me to live and then gave me up so that my wonderful parents could have a child....I am here. And she is hardly a "brood mare." She is a woman who made the choice not to end MY life just to make HER life easier.




Lucylastic -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 7:35:21 AM)

I dont disagree with you Cordelia.... She made that decision and all the power to her and to you, And your parents:)
However should she be FORCED to? that was my point




Arturas -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 8:01:33 AM)

I'm pro gun since I'm pro-consitution and support the law of this land. If I did not then I would move elsewhere.
quote:

CONSITUTION: the fundamental political principles on which a state is governed, esp when considered as embodying the rights of the subjects of that state

In 2008 and 2010, the Court issued two landmark decisions to officially establish an "individual rights" interpretation of the Second Amendment. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia[5][7] and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home within many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession listed by the Court as being consistent with the Second Amendment.[8] In McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.[9]


The definition of "firearm" is broad here and does not allow the state to make any firearm illegal; There is no room for the state to chip away at this right.

I'm anti-abortion because it's not my life being aborted and I am pro Declaration of Independence, the founding document of our land.
quote:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Notice the above says "men". If you believe "men" refers to all humans and not just males, then one can also extend the meaning of "men" to "all human life" without any overeach.

I'm anti-captial punishment because killing is final and our justice system is imperfect and we must err on the side of letting murderers live rather than killing an innocent.





Kirata -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 8:32:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Think this is the "relevant" section?

For a greatly expanded view of multiple abortion, the women who have them and why, the Guttmacher Institute study linked below is extensive. For a short gloss on it, I'll include a link to Salon.

Guttmacher: Repeat Abortion in the United States
Salon: Learning from Multiple Abortions

K.




jlf1961 -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 8:39:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

So, just out of interest, who's going to pay for the broodmare to take time off work or drop out of school and attend antenatal classes while she brings her precious and irreplaceable foetus (that will be placed for adoption the second she drops it, obvs) to term?

You've still yet to cite any sources for this "48% of dirty skanks are on their second abortion because they're too stupid to use birth control" figure, you know.



You want a source, Here it is, and it is not an anti abortion website.

As I said I do not get my information from pro choice web pages.

Now as I said, I can see that a woman having one abortion in her life as being in a place where it is the only option.

However, two?

And being Catholic, I should share the church's view on birth control, however, unless humans are far superior in breeding than any other mammal on the planet, repeated pregnancies carry more risk with each pregnancy, and unless the biological clock is a joke, after a certain age, the risk of carrying a child to term is greater.

I admit I am not a doctor. The majority of my experience with pregnancies have been with dogs, horses and cattle. And like a growing number of breeders, at some point you have to stop breeding a mare or a cow or a dog. When I owned horses, I bred my four mares twice in seven years, to me it made no sense to have a mare bred as soon as she weaned a colt or filly. I have seen a number of mares that have been repeatedly bred over a short span end up dead due to complications at birth or during the pregnancy.

I assume that the same would be true of a human.

Look at "19 Kids and counting" the last two pregnancies for that mother were problematic, to say the least, not that I watch the show, I am just unfortunate to hear people talk about 1) the insanity of having 19 kids or, 2) how nice it would be to have a large family.

In today's economy, the average two job household could not afford more than two children, and even two forces a lot of tight budgeting.

As I have also said, birth control is not 100% effective, and it too carries risks. Blood clots and others according to every birth control drug commercial on television.

Now, as for the broodmare statements.

According to the page I cited, 52% of women have one abortion and that is the end of it. Dont you think there is something a little questionable for a woman to have more than one?

However, I get the impression from some of the women's posts on this subject, that abortion is always the only correct solution to the problem of an unwanted pregnancy.

Now I can honestly say that I have never had sex outside a committed relationship. I can also say I have known men that as soon as they heard "possibly pregnant" they bolted for the hills. So, yes, it is unfair to leave the woman holding the bag so to speak.

But again, what the fuck do I know, I am only a male and a dumb fucking grunt.




FunCouple5280 -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 8:47:27 AM)

The big piece I took out of that was if you want decrease the number of repeat aborters you have to eliminate the policy of keeping family planning (birth control) seperate from the abortions. Makes sense. Time to start advocating free BC for those who need it.




DomKen -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 11:11:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you would like to reduce a woman being unwantedly pregnant to a mere incubator for someone else?


So it is better to kill a baby than to give a childless couple a chance at being parents?

There are literally tens of thousands of children available for adoption in the US right now. Forcing a women to carry an unwanted fetus to term so that a couple can adopt a newborn rather than an already born child is rdiculous.




jlf1961 -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 3:40:54 PM)

Yep Ken, you are right, according to the latest statistics there are 123000 children in the US to be adopted.

There are about 2 million childless couples waiting to adopt.




cordeliasub -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 4:53:50 PM)

quote:

Time to start advocating free BC for those who need it.


Amen and amen. Religious groups who are militantly against abortion and then at the same time proclaim all birth control a sin are......well, let's just say I don't understand how they can't see the problem with those opposing philosophies.




Lynnxz -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 5:27:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961



And being Catholic, I should share the church's view on birth control, however, unless humans are far superior in breeding than any other mammal on the planet, repeated pregnancies carry more risk with each pregnancy, and unless the biological clock is a joke, after a certain age, the risk of carrying a child to term is greater.





Hold on a tick, this has been annoying me a bit.

Catholicism, and all other religions should have EXACTLY ZERO SAY in the legality of anything, including the abortion debate.





searching4mysir -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 5:29:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

quote:

Time to start advocating free BC for those who need it.


Amen and amen. Religious groups who are militantly against abortion and then at the same time proclaim all birth control a sin are......well, let's just say I don't understand how they can't see the problem with those opposing philosophies.



They don't see it as opposing philosophies because they understand that man reproduces through sex...that is an integral purpose of the action. They don't see sex as recreation to be a moral good because it objectifies people.




Baroana -> RE: How many of you are: (3/22/2013 5:30:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynnxz


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961



And being Catholic, I should share the church's view on birth control, however, unless humans are far superior in breeding than any other mammal on the planet, repeated pregnancies carry more risk with each pregnancy, and unless the biological clock is a joke, after a certain age, the risk of carrying a child to term is greater.





Hold on a tick, this has been annoying me a bit.

Catholicism, and all other religions should have EXACTLY ZERO SAY in the legality of anything, including the abortion debate.





Who said they do? Their "view" on the issue is that if you do it, you go to hell.




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