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What rights are you willing to give up?

Gun ownership of any gun not a flintlock

12% (7)

Abortion

13% (8)

Privacy of email

3% (2)

Privacy of text messages

5% (3)

Privacy of phone calls

3% (2)

Freedom to express beliefs on the internet (not a paper based media)

1% (1)

right to use a car

6% (4)

right to travel by air

6% (4)

none of the above

46% (27)

Total Votes : 58

(last vote on : 3/24/2013 1:03:10 PM)
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Bigsqueezer -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/21/2013 6:23:43 PM)
How can you say that a "portal" is somehow different. If you have to waive your rights to use something, you really don't have those rights.

GotSteel -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/21/2013 7:39:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I have seen people on these boards claim that the second amendment only meant muskets, and all guns that were developed after flintlocks are not really covered. Here is a list of rights assumed under the constitution involving technologies that did not exist when it was written, if you take the logic presented in the first statement, which will you be willing to give up? Using a car and traveling by air already aren't Constitutional rights as far as I can tell?

jlf1961 -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/21/2013 7:47:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I have seen people on these boards claim that the second amendment only meant muskets, and all guns that were developed after flintlocks are not really covered. Here is a list of rights assumed under the constitution involving technologies that did not exist when it was written, if you take the logic presented in the first statement, which will you be willing to give up? Using a car and traveling by air already aren't Constitutional rights as far as I can tell? Perhaps I should have said "unrestricted travel within the US."

thishereboi -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/21/2013 7:51:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin I'm not checking any of them. Now I'll never know what the percentages are. This will be awful not knowing. I think you can click show results under the poll and it will show you the percents without having to vote.

TheHeretic -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/21/2013 8:50:54 PM)
Not a damn one on your list, and I want to be able to carry a switchblade knife without the mere possesion being a felony.

FrostedFlake -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/21/2013 10:02:21 PM)
quote: What rights are you willing to give up? Yours. Kidding!

lovmuffin -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/21/2013 10:03:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin I'm not checking any of them. Now I'll never know what the percentages are. This will be awful not knowing. I think you can click show results under the poll and it will show you the percents without having to vote. Thanks, and all this time I never knew you could do that. But now we have none of the above so I can check one.

LadyPact -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/21/2013 10:06:28 PM)
I checked the three that we never had the right to from jump street. Emails, texts, and phone communications. Unless you are married to the receiver or they are your attorney, you have no guarantee of privacy.

BamaD -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/21/2013 11:08:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead That's actually debatable: if it was constitutionally protected under the first, then everybody would have to have access. (Mind you, that goes for the whole "free speech" thing in general: speech is rarely free, and can often prove ridiculously expensive.) Freedom of speach is a right. not an entitlement. That means the that while the goverment does not have the right to keep you from getting up on your soapbox they don't have to provide the soapbox for you.

Kirata -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/21/2013 11:41:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I checked the three that we never had the right to from jump street. Emails, texts, and phone communications. Unless you are married to the receiver or they are your attorney, you have no guarantee of privacy. I thought the government needed a warrant to tap your phone, search your computer or PDA, compel your ISP to log your traffic, or require a remote storage facility to produce any files or emails that you may have stored on their servers. K.

jlf1961 -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/21/2013 11:47:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I checked the three that we never had the right to from jump street. Emails, texts, and phone communications. Unless you are married to the receiver or they are your attorney, you have no guarantee of privacy. I thought the government needed a warrant to tap your phone, search your computer, compel your ISP to log your traffic, or require a remote storage service to produce any files or emails that you may have stored on their servers. K. The point I was making was in connection to the argument that the second amendment only covers flintlock muskets since the weapons now being sold did not exist when the constitution was written. Following that logic, the modern technologies such as email, text messaging, phone and cell phone conversations would not be covered since they did not exist when the constitution was written.

LadyPact -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/22/2013 12:45:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata I thought the government needed a warrant to tap your phone, search your computer or PDA, compel your ISP to log your traffic, or require a remote storage facility to produce any files or emails that you may have stored on their servers. K. What prevents the person you are communicating with to offer up such information for free? You might have placed you faith in the right person. Maybe you didn't. It isn't always the government that folks need to worry about. The person on the other end of that text, email, or file, has just as much right to the intellectual property as the sender. I might hope for privacy, but I've given up the right as soon as I hit send.

Kirata -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/22/2013 3:05:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact What prevents the person you are communicating with to offer up such information for free? I might hope for privacy, but I've given up the right as soon as I hit send. I don't think we're using the word "rights" in the same way. We have a right to privacy. The government must show probable cause to breach it. Trusting your friend to keep his or her mouth shut is wholly a different matter. Even in a purely interpersonal context, I think it's fair to say that partners have a right to be able to trust each other. But obviously that's not a legal right. I took the poll to be asking what legal rights people would be willing to give up (albeit mostly incorrectly). K.

Real0ne -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/22/2013 8:39:06 AM)
FR sure but today due to rampant government oppression the probable cause is with regard to the police state created by legislative fiat, not injury which is in fact the standard basis for all law. Injury has now reached into the that which is not only real but imagined, and once they write a statute it always presents a stumbling block to the peoples will in favor of government. People do not realize how patently absurd it is to think we would not have the right to travel. That being locomotion for the conveyance of the body from point to point. The opposite is eternal bondage, gagging etc. Anyone who has ever taken the time to read the federal laws regarding driving, they make it perfectly clear it is a commercial activity. It goes with out saying traveling is not. Driving being a commercial venue puts it square under the auspices of government regulation, (policing). All we have in america is government courts. They are considered a branch of government and people expect to get a fair shake when the state pays their check! Total fucking conflict of interest which is proven by the complete breakdown of our laws in favor of the government. People today were never taught in their "government" schools how to distinguish between rights and privileges and the various types of rights and how they came to exist in the first place. Everyone is presumed to be governed by the ruling class in america and there is no way out from under their oppressive thumb regardless how saintly you are. The government is even involved in raising your children, and a marriage license is permission from the government to marry for shit sake and people are completely clueless to that. Your fetus is governed by our commericially based government. Yet at the same time they think they can bake a cake with no REAL knowledge of the required ingredients at the voting box. The shit mess we are in is created by government corruption and collusion finally infringement and in many cases the complete abrogation "in practice" of our rights in favor of the police state. Its has been said that america will fall and not one shot will be fired. We are watching it before our very eyes as we revert to oppression that far exceeds anything fought against in the past. This aristocratic system is dysfunctional, always has been and always will be, the depths of which could not be fully appreciated in a mountain of posts. You are all OWNED and you dont even know it LMAO.

Kirata -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/22/2013 8:52:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne You are all OWNED and you dont even know it LMAO. I don't know what you're laughing at. You're just as owned as the rest of us. K.

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/22/2013 9:06:51 AM)
quote: Freedom to express beliefs on the internet (not a paper based media) any reason why tha interwebbular should be freer than other media?

Darkfeather -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/22/2013 9:48:20 AM)
Here are the basic Civil Rights we have in America: Bill of Rights 1st Protects freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press, as well as the right to assemble and petition the government 2nd Protects an individual's right to bear arms 3rd Prohibits the forced quartering of soldiers during peacetime 4th Prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures and sets out requirements for search warrants based on probable cause 5th Sets out rules for indictment by grand jury and eminent domain, protects the right to due process, and prohibits self-incrimination and double jeopardy 6th Protects the right to a fair and speedy public trial by jury, including the rights to be notified of the accusations, to confront the accuser, to obtain witnesses and to retain counsel 7th Provides for the right to trial by jury in certain civil cases, according to common law 8th Prohibits excessive fines and excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment 9th Protects rights not enumerated in the constitution. 10th Limits the powers of the federal government to those delegated to it by the Constitution 11th Immunity of states from suits from out-of-state citizens and foreigners not living within the state borders. Lays the foundation for sovereign immunity 12th Revises presidential election procedures 13th Abolishes slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime 14th Defines citizenship, contains the Privileges or Immunities Clause, the Due Process Clause, the Equal Protection Clause, and deals with post-Civil War issues 15th Prohibits the denial of suffrage based on race, color, or previous condition of servitude 16th Allows the federal government to collect income tax 17th Establishes the direct election of United States Senators by popular vote 18th Establishes prohibition of alcohol (repealed by Twenty-first Amendment) 19th Establishes women's suffrage 20th Fixes the dates of term commencements for Congress (January 3) and the President (January 20); known as the "lame duck amendment" 21st Repeals the Eighteenth Amendment and prohibits violations of state laws regarding alcohol. 22nd Limits the number of times that a person can be elected president. A person cannot be elected president more than twice. Additionally, a person who has served more than two years of a term to which someone else was elected cannot be elected more than once. 23rd Provides for representation of Washington, D.C., in the Electoral College 24th Prohibits the revocation of voting rights due to the non-payment of poll taxes 25th Codifies the Tyler Precedent; defines the process of presidential succession 26th Establishes the right to vote for those age 18 years or older. 27th Prevents laws affecting Congressional salary from taking effect until the beginning of the next session of Congress The Supreme Court has extended fundamental rights by recognizing several fundamental rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution, including but not limited to: The right to interstate travel The right to intrastate travel The right to privacy (which includes within it a set of rights) including: a. The right to marriage b. The right to procreation c. The right for a woman to choose to have an abortion before fetal viability d. The right to contraception (the right to use contraceptive devices) e. The right of family relations (the right of related persons to live together) The main point of our government is that any new rights can and do get added or taken away by amending the Bill of Rights. And that if we as a people disagree with any decisions, we can simply exercise our constitutional prerogative, and vote for someone who agrees with our views.

SLVPropertyOwner -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/22/2013 10:57:54 AM)
RealOne is totally correct... Case in point... People no longer know that the US Organic Constitutional Government is a "Republic" yet they all think that todays Corporation Government of being a Democracy. Second case in point... People don't have a clue as to the government is a corporation and not the actual Organic Republic Consititutional Government. Case point 3, People dont know that the civil war was NOT about slavery at all but as the south correctly stated one of Northern Aggression trying to force the South to take on Debt that was not theirs. Case in point 4, Most people are not aware that their states actually has 2 constitutions (if the state was created before 1871 I believe) the original Repbulic Constitutiion as stated by the Organic Federal Constitution that was voted by and placed by the people, and the Corporate one that was put in place of the original one without the people voting on it. Case in point 5, People aren't aware that the Federal Reserve is no more federal than Federal Express.... it is a conglomorate of the 12 richest banking families... also that the IRS is NOT a government agency (according to the supreme court) but the collection agency of the Federal Reserve bank. The supreme court has also stated exactly what RealOne did... that the states have turned your "Rights" into Privalages... This happened in 1933 when the DemocratPresident pledged all the land and the labor of the american people to the banks thusly creating what is known as a FIAT monitary system (This is in complete conflice witht he Organic Constitution and totally illegal)... Oh except since this is a Corporation that appears to look like the original government (color of law) that is based upon maritine law (also called statute law instead of the original Common law) and pretends to claim jurisdiction by contract. In 1933 this corporation started issuing certificates of birth... this in legal terms is a certificate of wonership (refer to Blacks Law dictionary) It is the lawyers that control the government that have fooled the people by using leagal terminology and definitions rather than standard definitions of words. Example: You claim to be a citizen.... By legal definition, that means that you are a corporation and as such you are under the jurisdiction of the corporate government. By getting a License... you are contracting yourself to the state. I was talking to a judge a few years ago about a marriage license... He explained to me that a LIcense is a contract with the corporation state, yes he did specify "Corporation State". The corporation views a union as illegal without their permission... If you look up in a law dictionary you will see the definition of a "License" to be Permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal... (Driving your car, keeping ownership of your car, marriage, cutting hair, etc.... all these activities are illegal without permission from the Master State). Anyway, the Marriage License is a contract with the state allowing you to have a Union and have children and property.... But under the control of the state. If you do not program your childrens based upon the desires of the state they take away your children, when you seperate it is the state that decides who gets what... Another note... even thought you get divorced, the state retains the contract... the contract is not nullified upon divorce. So think about it and flame me through your own ignorance and denial... but do a little bit of research before you make an ass of yourself. There are a lot of web sites that has this information and the documents that support the truth, but are you willing to accept the truth yourself? Like in the Matrix Movie... which pill are you willing to take? The truth, or staying in the lie? here is one site that has a good amount of information http://sovereignproject.com/ Read the research and the many documents that they present... Understand the true history of the US and not the fictional history that you were taught in the government schools... Knowledge will indeed set you free, but it does cost... Freedom is not free, being a slave to the state is. One last note: I will bet that you didn't know that the flag that is used is the Navy maritine flag of war... ask yourself why is a maritine flag flown in a courthouse unless the jurisdiction of the court is based upon maritine law? Second item, were you aware that we actually have a second Official "Peacetime" flag that was voted upon and accepted by congress before the War of Northern Agression? Of course you don't... http://www.barefootsworld.net/uscivilflag.html

Bigsqueezer -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/22/2013 11:06:10 AM)
Returning to the topic - i would not part with any of those rights. I just see them as so fragile and dependent on who is making how much money to set aside their grubbing of the moment to let me speak. The gamesaying - so there - proofs of right to speak, assembly and all those we supposedly have are easily abridged and set aside. The gulf war started and here in Albuquerque we had a protest that shut down the city. this was NOT covered by papers or media to show those upstarts that they don't run things. They did not cover the tear gassing of the streets and arrests of people without charges. Their rights were not convenient. You may assemble to shop the sales on Black Friday - you may not question war. OH yeah - and the VP gets to shoot people in the face and the face has to apologize for being in the way.

SLVPropertyOwner -> RE: What rights are you willing to give up? (3/22/2013 11:13:08 AM)
The problen that you have in repeating the so called civil rights is that you are not following that the real organic government ended just around the 13th amendment. The original 13th amendment was about no person of noble title could serve in the congress.... menaing that no lawyer could get in as today 90% of all politicians are lawyers. In the Corporate constitution, it creates a "status of Citizen" which is not the original sovereign status we were born with, rather it is a "Federal Citizen" that places us under contract with the corporate government jurisdiction. This is a mater of congressional history in the records and in writing... not my opinion. If you research the USC (United States code) and the UCC (Uniform commercial code) title 28 look under definitions and you will find the definition the "United States" means a corporation... you will also find that the definition of "citizen" is also a corporation... If you accept that you are a "citizen" of the "united States" then you are by contract accepting that you are a corporation under the jurisdiction of the United States corporation and therefore a 14th amendment "citizen" giving up your original sovereignity you had at birth. If you cannot spend any time studying and are just spouting your uneducated opinion, then don't expect any reply from me. Here is the civilian peacetime flag as voted and accepted by the original Republic Congress... before the Corporate Congress took over... Of course, the corporate government doesn't want you to know the truth as history is written by the controlling bankers... Here are some other itmes to research: UN agenda 21 Georgia Stones Monsanto (the documentary) GMO [image]local://upfiles/1338170/48E22862E3D04E2CB0F95B9D7A37A557.gif[/image]

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