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LookieNoNookie -> RE: health insurance companies warn of skyrocketing premiums (3/25/2013 6:56:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Health care insurance ought to be abolished. Patents and pesticides ought to be outlawed. People ought to know that herpes virusses are very bad stuff. Circumcision ought to be outlawed. Okay...you may need a Valium.

DesideriScuri -> RE: health insurance companies warn of skyrocketing premiums (3/25/2013 6:58:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Your links are not working. The first one worked just fine for me. The second was faulty. It was merely a definition, which I copied/pasted. quote: The CDC report from "2010" uses 2007 numbers. Which pains an extremely conservative picture compared to today. Im poor. Late time I was in the ER was April 10th, 2011, Porth Authority bus accident. Time before that, 2009, pyelonephritis. Why the air quotes around 2010? Did you not see the date on the report? Do you think the CDC purposely used 2007 stats to paint a more conservative picture in 2010? Not that I'm questioning your reporting of your ER visits, but what does your visitation history have to do with the Country as a whole?

tazzygirl -> RE: health insurance companies warn of skyrocketing premiums (3/25/2013 7:33:01 PM)
Anyways........ [image]local://upfiles/502828/FD41B7132B61442DBE3E3535E6BAB42D.jpg[/image]

tazzygirl -> RE: health insurance companies warn of skyrocketing premiums (3/25/2013 7:41:19 PM)
quote: Why the air quotes around 2010? This type of data rarely reports what is currently going on... its always a few year lag time period. quote: Did you not see the date on the report? Do you think the CDC purposely used 2007 stats to paint a more conservative picture in 2010? Not at all. The CDC reported in 2010 what was happening in 2007. The one that didnt point that out in reporting it here was you. So, if you wish for a response to your conservative comment.... The CDC did not... you attempted too. quote: Not that I'm questioning your reporting of your ER visits, but what does your visitation history have to do with the Country as a whole? You seem to believe that the poor are just itching to show up at ER's, waiting for that golden time when they cant be turned away. But ER's can turn away non-emergent patients. So whats the point of going? Your numbers that reflect those patients who were treated in the ER were treated because of their need for care. Much of which might have been treated in a physicians office had they been able to afford to go. But they dont go, they wait, hoping whatever over the counter treatments they take will work, until they cannot wait any longer. What does this have to do with a country as a whole? I am the typical person who had insurance then lost it. I am the typical patient who goes to the ER when I need too, not because I can. I am the typical person who waits until I am so sick that I cant stop shaking in bed (bet you know what the medical term for that is [;)] ). Why would you believe people would want to line up at an ER to wait hours to be seen for a hang nail?

DesideriScuri -> RE: health insurance companies warn of skyrocketing premiums (3/26/2013 5:25:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Why the air quotes around 2010? This type of data rarely reports what is currently going on... its always a few year lag time period. quote: Did you not see the date on the report? Do you think the CDC purposely used 2007 stats to paint a more conservative picture in 2010? Not at all. The CDC reported in 2010 what was happening in 2007. The one that didnt point that out in reporting it here was you. So, if you wish for a response to your conservative comment.... The CDC did not... you attempted too. Actually, I do see where I erred. And, for some reason, I also erred in thinking that those who wished to respond to my posts would have gone to the site linked (otherwise, why even post the link?). No, I didn't acknowledge in my post the info was from 2007. No, it was not intentional, but I acknowledge that it was misleading. quote: quote: Not that I'm questioning your reporting of your ER visits, but what does your visitation history have to do with the Country as a whole? You seem to believe that the poor are just itching to show up at ER's, waiting for that golden time when they cant be turned away. But ER's can turn away non-emergent patients. So whats the point of going? Your numbers that reflect those patients who were treated in the ER were treated because of their need for care. Much of which might have been treated in a physicians office had they been able to afford to go. But they dont go, they wait, hoping whatever over the counter treatments they take will work, until they cannot wait any longer. What does this have to do with a country as a whole? I am the typical person who had insurance then lost it. I am the typical patient who goes to the ER when I need too, not because I can. I am the typical person who waits until I am so sick that I cant stop shaking in bed (bet you know what the medical term for that is [;)] ). Why would you believe people would want to line up at an ER to wait hours to be seen for a hang nail? Part of the CDC report included "non-urgent" determinations. And, the results were very similar between those who had a usual source of medical care and those who didn't (which included those who stated their usual source of medical care was the ER). I didn't pick and choose which things to report, relying on the CDC's listing of "Key Findings." Do you have a more up-to-date source of ER stats? I couldn't find any more recent stats than what I posted. There was a lot of great info in that CDC report that I didn't put in my post. Why? The report was pages long. I know I can be long-winded in posts, but I didn't think I could do the report justice. Thus, the reason I linked to it... And, the link still works just fine for me, so I'm not sure what the issue is.

mnottertail -> RE: health insurance companies warn of skyrocketing premiums (3/26/2013 7:26:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Emergency Department Visitors and Visits: Who Used the Emergency Room in 2007? Tamyra Carroll Garcia, Amy B. Bernstein, and Mary Ann Bush Page one. Perhaps a reading of the sources before you post them as citations for some view (in or out of context) might minimize these class of embarrassments. You seem to think I'm embarrassed about something? This is a CDC report from May of 2010. I'm thinking it was relevant, no? Which choice would you have made, from the CDC's page? They have different stats from the 2007-2011 timeframe on different topics. I would think the subsequent posts to yours might be an answer to the question. I guess any will do. I am at a loss for what people who go to the emergency room for non-emergencies (really) have to do with anything, there is not a surfeit of 24/7/365 clinics and or pharmacists in this country. there are several reasons that is done. By example, baby runs a fever and ear is red and baby paws at ear when we lay her down for the night.........(I can diagnose that with 100% accuracy) but I gotta get the amoxicillin NOW, guess what, emergency room, get amoxicillin right now, for the night and a prescrip for the next two weeks. There are other reasons.

tazzygirl -> RE: health insurance companies warn of skyrocketing premiums (3/26/2013 12:25:14 PM)
quote: Part of the CDC report included "non-urgent" determinations. And, the results were very similar between those who had a usual source of medical care and those who didn't (which included those who stated their usual source of medical care was the ER). I didn't pick and choose which things to report, relying on the CDC's listing of "Key Findings." Do you have a more up-to-date source of ER stats? I couldn't find any more recent stats than what I posted. There was a lot of great info in that CDC report that I didn't put in my post. Why? The report was pages long. I know I can be long-winded in posts, but I didn't think I could do the report justice. Thus, the reason I linked to it... And, the link still works just fine for me, so I'm not sure what the issue is. I have a feeling its because you created a chart of some sort. If that is the case, it may not work for anyone else. More recent stats? Nope. Only the stats of those who are now out of work since 2007 who have lost their insurance, which is why I said the stats you gave are probably double. Since then ER's have closed and became Urgent Care Centers, not help to the same laws. Hospitals have also taken an active step to not treating none emergent issues, even declining to see patients after triage. 5 years can mark a lot of changes.

papassion -> RE: health insurance companies warn of skyrocketing premiums (3/26/2013 12:52:20 PM)
Why don't the bigger or even all hospitals have a "medical" office open 24/7 for people who arn't "emergency" but just got sick or whatever after normal hours? Could be staffed by Interns and RN's. If she determines it necessary, send a serious case to the ER. Should have fees cheaper than the ER and reduce the work load on the ER. I do wonder the logic of people who think having a single payer will reduce costs. The irresponsible will be just as irresponsible and continue to use the ER their PCP and even to continue to call an ambulance to get them there (doesn't cost them anything) Oh, thats right, If the governmet pays for anything, the money somehow doesn't cost anybody anything! should have much cheaper fees than a

JeffBC -> RE: health insurance companies warn of skyrocketing premiums (3/26/2013 1:03:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: papassion do wonder the logic of people who think having a single payer will reduce costs I wonder at the "logic" of people wanting to use logic when actual facts will suffice. Look around the world. Single payer systems work better. Your argument is akin to the mythical "bumblebees cannot fly" thing.

tazzygirl -> RE: health insurance companies warn of skyrocketing premiums (3/26/2013 1:03:54 PM)
quote: I do wonder the logic of people who think having a single payer will reduce costs. The irresponsible will be just as irresponsible and continue to use the ER their PCP and even to continue to call an ambulance to get them there (doesn't cost them anything) Oh, thats right, If the governmet pays for anything, the money somehow doesn't cost anybody anything! Well, just off the top of my head, seeing a physician when a tooth hurts instead of waiting for an abcess... cheaper. Seeing a physician when the heel hurts instead of waiting for the achilles tendon to snap.. cheaper. Seeing a physician when the child's asthma starts instead of waiting until its a dire emergency... cheaper. Seeing a physician when angina pain begins instead of waiting for that heart attack... cheaper. Seeing a physician when a diabetic's toe nail becomes painful instead of waiting for it to become infected and risk losing the toe... cheaper. Seeing a physician when the kidneys start to hurt instead of waiting and risking kidney failure and dialysis... extremely cheaper.

subrob1967 -> RE: health insurance companies warn of skyrocketing premiums (3/26/2013 1:37:33 PM)
I'd still like to know when health CARE became synonymous with health INSURANCE... One can receive care without insurance, it happens every day. Insurance is a GAMBLE, the buyer is gambling that they'll need medical care that costs greater than the premium they're willing to pay. Insurance companies are gambling that they'll make more money off of the premiums they collect than they're going to pay out for your well being. Of course, the insurance companies, like ALL gambling establishments, stacks the odds in their favor. Which is why there are riders, and preexisting conditions written into policies. All Obamacare did was impose new regulations on the insurance companies for which the companies raised their rates to compensate for the new regulations... Cause and effect. Now we have people whining they want the government to pay for their well being, because having the Democrats mandate that everyone has to buy insurance (except for the people in favor who were granted exemptions) is costing the people more than they bargained for. The lesson here is, be careful what you wish for, it may turn around and bite you in the ass. Thus endith the lesson.

tazzygirl -> RE: health insurance companies warn of skyrocketing premiums (3/26/2013 1:58:00 PM)
When you can get in to see a physician with health insurance for 20 bucks.... price out your cost without it. here is your litmus test... reimbursement. How many people could afford to go to a physician, pharmacy, lab, ect if they had to pay out of pocket and wait to be reimbursed. Some of those same day insurance policies do just that.

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