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Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 6:27:24 AM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		BE ADVISED: My daughters are being trained to consider ANY sexual assault to be prelude to kidnapping and murder. Consequently, since their lives are forfeit as soon as they are assaulted, they are taught their duty to KILL THEIR ATTACKER AS SOON AS THEY ARE ATTACKED.

Make sure your son doesn't get himself killed.

You have been warned.

No more "Date Rape". No more ambiguity. You attack a woman, she will do her best to kill you because she doesn't CARE about what you'll do to her reputation. No more victim blaming. End of story.


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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 6:39:20 AM   
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Make sure your son doesn't get himself killed.

I'm sure all the posters who have rapists for sons will hurry to advise them.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 6:48:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

BE ADVISED: My daughters are being trained to consider ANY sexual assault to be prelude to kidnapping and murder. Consequently, since their lives are forfeit as soon as they are assaulted, they are taught their duty to KILL THEIR ATTACKER AS SOON AS THEY ARE ATTACKED.

Make sure your son doesn't get himself killed.

You have been warned.

No more "Date Rape". No more ambiguity. You attack a woman, she will do her best to kill you because she doesn't CARE about what you'll do to her reputation. No more victim blaming. End of story.


Fargle, that is a variation of 'Stand Your Ground' that makes sense to me. I've never been entirely persuaded by the view that says 'Don't resist - you're more likely to survive that way' that was drummed into my generation.

Of course if every woman responded to assault, especially sexual assault by killing her assailant the homicide figures go through the roof. Nonetheless, it would be very difficult for me to feel any compassion for the dead assailants.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 7:05:35 AM   
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Of course if every woman responded to assault, especially sexual assault by killing her assailant the homicide figures go through the roof. Nonetheless, it would be very difficult for me to feel any compassion for the dead assailants.

So you'd be okay with it if Australia at least allowed women to carry?

K.





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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 7:18:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		As females who can kill an assailant with their bare hands are exceedingly rare, may I assume the OP supports the right to bear arms?

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 7:20:19 AM   
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Of course if every woman responded to assault, especially sexual assault by killing her assailant the homicide figures go through the roof.



That isn't homicide. That is self-defense.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 7:22:50 AM   
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Of course if every woman responded to assault, especially sexual assault by killing her assailant the homicide figures go through the roof.



That isn't homicide. That is self-defense.

Self defense is still homicide. It's justifiable homicide but still goes into the database as such as cause of death with the CDC in Atlanta.
Homicide is simply "killinig a human".

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 7:24:28 AM   
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As females who can kill an assailant with their bare hands are exceedingly rare, may I assume the OP supports the right to bear arms?

Why is the response to these scenarios always end up with "the right to bear arms"??

There are many things equally debilitating that don't require the bearing of firearms.
Pepper spray, mace spray, skunk spray (in the eyes), even a knife - but not firearms!

Firearms are just not necessary to beat off an attacker.
Once incapacitated and on the ground, most people can inflict some serious damage to that person.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 7:33:51 AM   
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There are many things equally debilitating that don't require the bearing of firearms.
Pepper spray, mace spray, skunk spray (in the eyes), even a knife - but not firearms!

Firearms are just not necessary to beat off an attacker.

Pepper spray is as debilitating as a bullet. Fucking spectacular. I will never understand why Americans are so stupid as not to appreciate the obviously superior intelligence of their British cousins.

And besides, we don't want to make the fight too unfair. That wouldn't be sporting.

K.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 7:38:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		So here in the United States where sexual assualt can be as minimal (depending on state and jurisdiction) as unwanted and innappropriate touching you are espousing murder for that and claiming it will be in self-defense for a possible future kidnapping and murder? Good luck with telling that to a court of law. So scenario time then. Lets say your daughter is on the public bus. She is standing there and some guy comes up behind her and bumps into her due to the jostling of the bus and the crowded interior and therefore innappropriately touches her backside. She looks back and 'thinks' he may have done this on purpose but she cannot prove it and he doesn't say anything other than to smile back. She in turn pulls out her handgun and proceeds to shoot this guy because after all, he sexually assaulted her on the bus and she therefore has a right to defend herself against a future kidnapping and murder. Or lets see she doesn't use a handgun. Let's say she is trained in mmo and decided to go psycho on this guy and snaps his neck. What then? After all, this innappropriate touching is considered sexual assault and by your definition Farglebargle ANY such sexual assault should be met with maximum force.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 7:39:47 AM   
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As females who can kill an assailant with their bare hands are exceedingly rare, may I assume the OP supports the right to bear arms?

Why is the response to these scenarios always end up with "the right to bear arms"??

There are many things equally debilitating that don't require the bearing of firearms.
Pepper spray, mace spray, skunk spray (in the eyes), even a knife - but not firearms!

Firearms are just not necessary to beat off an attacker.
Once incapacitated and on the ground, most people can inflict some serious damage to that person.


Because the OP specified "lethal force".
How many women do you know who can kill a man with their bare hands even if he is incapacitated by pepper spray?
The number will be damn low. There's also the problem that it's damn near impossible to use pepper spray without getting some on yourself which defeats the purpose of its use as an offensive weapon. If you grapple with that person, you will only manage to be almost as badly affected.
Use a knife? That requires getting way too damn close. It's also very messy and takes a lot of time. People don't die of stab wounds like in the movies. That first cut tends to PISS THEM OFF. I know of one person who left a scar on me years ago that found that out the hard way.
You people watch way too many movies.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 7:43:58 AM   
midmichiganguy


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Status: offline 		Kirata, you are definitely misinformed here about the effects of pepper spray. I am a former Marine and we used to sniff cs gas and laugh through the pain. In fact we would deliberately ask to go to the gas chamber to get rid of our flu or cold because that stuff would clear you out in a heartbeat. Over time you got so used to it that you could breathe it all day with no issues. I can tell you this that if I were a criminal and someone pulled pepper spray or bear spray on me I would laugh at them. Go ahead, clear my sinuses for me! In the meantime you are going to piss me off and the hurt I inflict on you is going to be so much worse. Now when you mix in crackheads, illegal drugs, or other issues where people just don't feel or care about the pain so much then what do you have? You have an ineffective way of dealing with a problem.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 7:47:03 AM   
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Kirata, you are definitely misinformed here about the effects of pepper spray. I am a former Marine and we used to sniff cs gas and laugh through the pain. In fact we would deliberately ask to go to the gas chamber to get rid of our flu or cold because that stuff would clear you out in a heartbeat. Over time you got so used to it that you could breathe it all day with no issues. I can tell you this that if I were a criminal and someone pulled pepper spray or bear spray on me I would laugh at them. Go ahead, clear my sinuses for me! In the meantime you are going to piss me off and the hurt I inflict on you is going to be so much worse. Now when you mix in crackheads, illegal drugs, or other issues where people just don't feel or care about the pain so much then what do you have? You have an ineffective way of dealing with a problem.

I have a feeling that K forgot to turn on his <sarcasm font>

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 7:52:09 AM   
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Kirata, you are definitely misinformed here about the effects of pepper spray. I am a former Marine and we used to sniff cs gas and laugh through the pain. In fact we would deliberately ask to go to the gas chamber to get rid of our flu or cold because that stuff would clear you out in a heartbeat. Over time you got so used to it that you could breathe it all day with no issues. I can tell you this that if I were a criminal and someone pulled pepper spray or bear spray on me I would laugh at them. Go ahead, clear my sinuses for me! In the meantime you are going to piss me off and the hurt I inflict on you is going to be so much worse. Now when you mix in crackheads, illegal drugs, or other issues where people just don't feel or care about the pain so much then what do you have? You have an ineffective way of dealing with a problem.



All good points. Yes, if a Marine or Seal or Green Beret or what have you decides to attack me, I'm probably done for no matter what. However, that doesn't mean pepper spray can't be a great aid in self defense against the average joe.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 8:10:47 AM   
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Kirata, you are definitely misinformed here about the effects of pepper spray. I am a former Marine and we used to sniff cs gas and laugh through the pain. In fact we would deliberately ask to go to the gas chamber to get rid of our flu or cold because that stuff would clear you out in a heartbeat. Over time you got so used to it that you could breathe it all day with no issues. I can tell you this that if I were a criminal and someone pulled pepper spray or bear spray on me I would laugh at them. Go ahead, clear my sinuses for me! In the meantime you are going to piss me off and the hurt I inflict on you is going to be so much worse. Now when you mix in crackheads, illegal drugs, or other issues where people just don't feel or care about the pain so much then what do you have? You have an ineffective way of dealing with a problem.



All good points. Yes, if a Marine or Seal or Green Beret or what have you decides to attack me, I'm probably done for no matter what. However, that doesn't mean pepper spray can't be a great aid in self defense against the average joe.

For self defense, it's good. The problem is this. What happens when you go up to 10 women who carry pepper spray and ask them where it is?
Wanna bet 9 of them have to dig around in their purse?
The OP here specified lethal response which takes about everything off the table but firearms.
My posts have been an attempt to point out the naivete' of someone who is on the record as being anti-gun calling for lethal response because he is against the only tool that can dependably do the job.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 8:12:02 AM   
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As females who can kill an assailant with their bare hands are exceedingly rare, may I assume the OP supports the right to bear arms?

Why is the response to these scenarios always end up with "the right to bear arms"??

There are many things equally debilitating that don't require the bearing of firearms.
Pepper spray, mace spray, skunk spray (in the eyes), even a knife - but not firearms!

Firearms are just not necessary to beat off an attacker.
Once incapacitated and on the ground, most people can inflict some serious damage to that person.




You think pepper spray is equally debilitating to a bullet?

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 8:38:00 AM   
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You think pepper spray is equally debilitating to a bullet?

Nah, not a chance. When it comes to guns, posturing and empty rhetoric is all some people have. You can bet the Sun and all its planets that offered a choice between a .45 in the chest or being pepper-sprayed, he wouldn't have to think about it very long.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 9:05:21 AM   
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As females who can kill an assailant with their bare hands are exceedingly rare,


Citation Needed.

They don't go to Karate class 3 times a week for nothing.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 9:14:08 AM   
Kirata


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As females who can kill an assailant with their bare hands are exceedingly rare

Citation Needed.


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You attack a woman, she will do her best to kill you because she doesn't CARE about what you'll do to her reputation.


Citation needed.

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RE: Attention Parents With SONS. ( Woman's Safety ) - 3/23/2013 9:15:44 AM   
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As females who can kill an assailant with their bare hands are exceedingly rare,


Citation Needed.

They don't go to Karate class 3 times a week for nothing.

And have you seen a girl who stomps her high-heeled shoes through the eye of an assailant who was temporarily disabled and on the ground??
It's pretty messy and they don't get up from that sort of attack!

Either way, you don't need to kill your attacker - that's overkill (deliberate pun).
So the whole idea of maximum retaliation resulting in a death is just pure folly.

Only in the US of A would they encourage that sort of attitude - along with bearing arms.

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