Termyn8or
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You didn't say "Your thoughts in BDSM" per se, therefore I assume you want a response on that article in general.
To sum it up, I do not agree.
To begin, most people are aware of researchers teaching lower primates a basic language. A keyboard with symbols basically.
I try to be fair in my judgements and conclusions, so I must say this. There are autistic children who cannot be taught what they taught the chimps, or whatever primates they used. Sad but true, and thusfar incurable. The worst thing about autism is that it severly limits human potential.The reason I brought it up is because I'd like to confine my own comments at least, to the normal for now.
IMHO, bad parents were usually worse in the first three years of a juvenile delinquent's life. Knowledge is like a pyramid, you build on the base formed in the very early years, I think from birth. If the base is not stable, nothing built on it will be stable.Face it, you learn to tie your shoes AFTER you learn what shoes are. But what else do you learn ?
I'll tell you what, first, if they don't talk baby talk to you then you start learning language. You learn whether or not they love you. You learn how to see, how to smile (hopefully) and you start learning how to communicate.
Real human studies arer impossible, no actually they are wrong, not impossible. To actually have a live study, of two twins seperated at birth for example, is wrong because you have to knowingly provide less than the best environment for one child. One of them must get cheated to prove the point.
To further show that environment is it, my buddy and I taught a dog his left from his right. The dog was half wolf and half German shepard. He had facial expressions that would boggle your mind. He was a friendly dog and even if you didn't know him, if his owner let you in the house he learned quick to shutup and be cool. We almost taught him to talk.
The guy would howl with the dog and start getting the dog to mimic his howls. It's like they sang together, but don't expect them at Carnegie Hall. The dog gradually learned to lower his vioce, like many dogs do. He also did try to form words, we could tell, but he simply didn't have the anatomy for it. He really tried though. This dog wanted to please bigtime, very loyal.
This is a bit of a tangent, but now that I got started, indulge me if you would.
We had this dog doing all kinds of things. We trained him to be agile as well, an exceptional dog. Full grown we got him to jump through a nine inch gap about eight feet high. Later we taught him to climb a tree, and stay up in it, at a busy intersection. He got some attention.
It is the attention he got as a puppy that made him so exceptional. They could never do it again, the owners were teenagers when they got him, and would never have the time now. But they are and were avid animal lovers and have had exotic birds and a monkey for a time. I never met they monkey but they taught him to smoke. I wonder, if they had their chance again, could they maybe teach a monkey to talk ? Even at a very rudimentary level, if they got like a government grant to do it they might pull it off. It would take alot of time.
They are more mature now and wouldn't teach a monkey to smoke, and with cigarette prices today it would be stoooopid anyway.
The way I see it, even before you can talk, if you are around a bunch of people yelling, you will learn to yell. If you are around a bunch of people who are having a civil discussion or even argument, that is what feels right to you. If, as a baby, you are around classical music, they say you are more likely to be good in math or science.
If the rap music is cranking and Mom and Dad are having a crack party, I don't think the experience is quite the same.
I was thinking about saying we can agree to disagree, but then realized that you never said that you agree with the article;.in any case, I rebutted the article.
I do not agree with it except when there is a birth defect which affects the brain or the senses. I mean this both in the literal and figurative tenses.
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