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LizDeluxe -> Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 6:49:01 AM)
Guns and ammo sales spark jobs boom At least one sector of the work force is expanding. Can't blame this one on Bush.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 6:52:00 AM)
Housing starts are way up too.

jlf1961 -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 7:32:50 AM)
Yup, and companies are still sending jobs overseas. Obama is doing what he can, but short of a massive move to tax companies outsourcing jobs, we are still fucked.

RacerJim -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 8:20:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe Guns and ammo sales spark jobs boom At least one sector of the work force is expanding. Can't blame this one on Bush. Labor Participation Rate Falling Off A Cliff The number of people in the workforce (working plus seeking work) as a percentage of the population has fallen off a cliff ever since Obama became POTUS. Can't blame that one on Bush either.

FunCouple5280 -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 8:26:49 AM)
Hill, While I welcome the housing news, people are continuing to downsize their homes. The average home size is still slipping.

subrob1967 -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 8:26:55 AM)
Obama is a job creator and a debt slasher, just look how many WH employees are making 6 figures, and how he's cut spending by 2.5 trillion... He told us this himself. VP Biden is doing his part as well, what a fantastic administration.

mnottertail -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 8:58:43 AM)
Yeah, and all while fending off the borrow and spend teabaggers.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 9:00:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280 Hill, While I welcome the housing news, people are continuing to downsize their homes. The average home size is still slipping. Average home size needs to slip. Our parent's generation had a family of 4 living in 1200 SF. How many childless couples need a 4000 SF mini mansion? Smaller homes means wiser use of resources and GASSSSSSSP less energy to heat and cool them. If we use less energy, then we have to import less. The sooner we are energy sufficient, the sooner we can tell OPEC to kiss our big hairy ass and go back to eating dirt and rocks. To answer Liz's challenge of Blaming Dubya for the uptick in jobs, I will stick my tongue firmly in cheek and do so. After 9-11, the bloated overpowering bureaucracy known as "Homeland Security" was created. They just ordered 1.6 Billion bullets. Mining, Smelting, Chemicals, Manufacturing, transportation. JOBS BABY and Dubya did it

TricklessMagic -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 9:13:03 AM)
We are still in trouble either way. A run on bullets and guns means nothing other than folks getting wise to just how bad this could get. The horrible thing is that there will be liberals and Obama supporters buying guns and ammo. Gabby Gifford's husband bought himself an AR-15 and a bunch of thirty round mags, that's how bad it's getting. We need liberals and progressives to remain unarmed should accounts ever have to be settled.

FunCouple5280 -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 9:25:58 AM)
I agree, we have these bloated mcmansions.....but what I am saying is if the size is slipping then the economic impact is slipping. There is less money in small homes. However, going to 1200sf for a family of 4 is a major downgrade from 2000+ sf. I don't think that will be a spectacular benefit to the economy.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 9:37:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Yup, and companies are still sending jobs overseas. Obama is doing what he can, but short of a massive move to tax companies outsourcing jobs, we are still fucked. No, we aren't fucked because of outsourcing. We get to buy stuff at a lower cost because of outsourcing. We have access to more stuff to buy because of outsourcing. 1939 - 2012 Manufacturing Employees (seasonally adjusted) [image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/CES3000000001_27209_1364227791310.gif[/image] 1939-2012 Goods Producing Employees (seasonally adjusted) [image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/CES0600000001_27209_1364227791091.gif[/image] Lemme guess, outsourcing started in 2001, right? We lost, what, maybe 1M Goods Producing employees between 1980 and 2001, right? And, since 2001, we've lost roughly 7M? That's all outsourcing, right? 1939-2012 Total # of Non-farm Employees [image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/CES0000000001_27665_1364228348221.gif[/image] 1939-2012 Total # of Private Sector Employees [image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/CES0500000001_27665_1364228348309.gif[/image] Notice the dip around 2000-2001 and then again around 2008? Boy, you can almost clearly see when there were recessions. In general, the number of private sector jobs is growing. Fucked up by all that out-sourcing, innit? 1939-2012 Total Government Employees [image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/CES9000000001_27665_1364228348386.gif[/image] Liberal John/Jane Q. Public: See? See? See? Government isn't growing under Obama!!! It's actually dropped by roughly 1M! Neener Neener Neener! 1939-2012 Federal Government Employees [image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/CES9091000001_27665_1364228348474.gif[/image] Um, yeah, not so much of a reduction now, is it? 1939-2012 USPS Employment [image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/CES9091912001_27665_1364228348655.gif[/image] Big job losses here. 1939-2012 Federal Government, less USPS, Employees [image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/CES9091100001_27665_1364228348564.gif[/image] Well, son of a .... sure looks like Big Gov is growing. 1939-2012 State Government Employment [image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/CES9092000001_27665_1364228349432.gif[/image] 1939-2012 Local Government Employment [image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/CES9093000001_27665_1364228350213.gif[/image] Sure looks to me like the higher up the governmental food chain you go, the less likely you are to shrink, unless you are in the USPS. Just some things to think about...

mnottertail -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 9:41:41 AM)
quote: No, we aren't fucked because of outsourcing. Not just because of it, but it is one of the real big ones. quote: We get to buy stuff at a lower cost because of outsourcing. But because of outsourcing there are less people with money to buy the junk. quote: We have access to more stuff to buy because of outsourcing. We have access to several lines of the exact same fucking junk because of outsourcing, but not wider selections.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 9:44:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe Guns and ammo sales spark jobs boom At least one sector of the work force is expanding. Can't blame this one on Bush. Labor Participation Rate Falling Off A Cliff The number of people in the workforce (working plus seeking work) as a percentage of the population has fallen off a cliff ever since Obama became POTUS. Can't blame that one on Bush either. Not sure you can blame it on Obama, either. At least not all of it (and, yes, Bush does still bear some blame for the participation rate dropping, too) can be blamed on Obama. Obama happened to come into office when the shit was hitting the fan, so that's a huge driver of participation rate losses. Not his fault. I don't think his policies have helped, and that is where some, a small portion, of the participation rate drop is his. Bush oversaw a large expansion of the workforce, but it was based on a bubble. His allowing The Fed to keep rates low and failure to get Congress to take action, gives him some blame for the situation.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 9:47:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: No, we aren't fucked because of outsourcing. Not just because of it, but it is one of the real big ones. quote: We get to buy stuff at a lower cost because of outsourcing. But because of outsourcing there are less people with money to buy the junk. Yet, we keep buying more and more "stuff." quote: We have access to more stuff to buy because of outsourcing. We have access to several lines of the exact same fucking junk because of outsourcing, but not wider selections. I don't agree with you on this. Lower labor costs have allowed for more investment into innovation, broadening the selection. (Edited to fix a formatting error.)

mnottertail -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 9:59:50 AM)
I don't agree with you on this. Lower labor costs have allowed for more investment into innovation, broadening the selection. Show me the broadened selection of say automobiles, or refrigerators. Something that is not cheap junk.

mnottertail -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 10:02:15 AM)
Yet, we keep buying more and more "stuff." We buy more junk because the junk wears out. Cheap chinese pliers, good for one twist on a nut before the jaw breaks, or the fine line of made in china laptops whos batteries die within a fortnight, if their cheap ass charger plugs make it that long without breaking the board off inside..

DesideriScuri -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 10:15:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I don't agree with you on this. Lower labor costs have allowed for more investment into innovation, broadening the selection. Show me the broadened selection of say automobiles, or refrigerators. Something that is not cheap junk. Seriously? Do the auto plants in Canada and Mexico not produce things that aren't produced in the States? Yes, we have lost a lot of variety within the American auto manufacturing biz, but, was there really a need for Saturn, Oldsmobile, etc.? How many vehicles are made with solely US parts? Have you seen the number of refrigerator brands, and the "newer" features? Would you be in favor of "in-sourcing" jobs? That is, would you support foreign companies being lured into manufacturing in the US?

mnottertail -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 10:17:59 AM)
Yes, how is the selection widened? what used to be produced here in the states is now produced in other countries, more cheaply and more shoddily. How many car models in say St. Wrinklemeats second administration compared to Ws second administration? Then say from Kennedy's to Obamas? Or hell, Clintons to Obamas.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 10:20:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yet, we keep buying more and more "stuff." We buy more junk because the junk wears out. Cheap chinese pliers, good for one twist on a nut before the jaw breaks, or the fine line of made in china laptops whos batteries die within a fortnight, if their cheap ass charger plugs make it that long without breaking the board off inside.. No one is forcing you to buy cheap chinese pliers. That's your own choice. Buy a higher cost line of pliers. Completely your choice. That is the part I think you're not getting. You can't control (or at least you shouldn't) what someone else buys. That's their choice. It's as acceptable as them telling you what to buy. If not for consumable goods, where would the economy be? What would the economy look like if everything we bought was for upgrading our current selection, or first-time purchases, rather than replacement?

mnottertail -> RE: Who says Obama is not creating jobs? (3/25/2013 10:30:05 AM)
I dont own cheap chinese pliers, I own Klein and ChannelLock (pre chinese). So, now we find that outsourcing brings cheap junk that has got to be replaced constantly, since it is not fit for real use. Churning isn't good for the American people, it is good for and only serves the corporation.

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