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How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/22/2006 10:20:46 PM   
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Well...I met My toys VERY nilla family. They asked Me all the nilla questions...I sucessfully dodged most of them. I realized something though...I am going to HAVE to get somewhat acclimated to the nilla world.

All the relationships I have are with bdsm friendly people. I do not have to hide calling him My pet, or cover that I am bisexual and have a girl as well as him. I don't have to watch My humor or sarcasm or down play My role. I move comfortably  in My little world and there is much ease in it. However, I realize W/we are having a split now where it is more than just D/s and in as such there is a bit of nilla seeping in well....a bit more than a bit.

How do I learn to be comfortable in a situation where I feel like a fish out of water? I become intensley shy and introverted. I resort to what I learned as a child, to be seen not heard and everyone is Sir or Ma'am not to speak unless spoken to and then try to dodge it as much as possible. Do not smile too much or pout too much just blend into the woodwork. So much for Me being dommie huh? In this world and in My career I am in full control of everything but meeting toys family I felt terrified and then he springs on Me I will get another opportuity to do so....EEEK....

Any suggestions on how to meet the family...AND have them like you?

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/22/2006 10:25:43 PM   
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It is difficult to repress parts of your life for your family, or other's.  (Though I don't think the family would get too upset over "my pet" as a term of endearment - and luckily most people say "girlfriend" when not implying a romantic relationship anyway!)  It is okay to be shy, but don't hesitate to socialize all the same - ask to elaborate, link to your own 'nilla experiences. The first meeting is always going to be rather awkward, with anyone's parents.

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 12:47:28 AM   
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I am sure my family must have noticed I was submissive to my ex husband but we just chose not to discuss it and they don't live close so it was never a problem but we weren't in the D/S relationship I wanted anyway. I expect it's harder if you are.

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 12:48:07 AM   
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In my experience, the best way to handle a meeting where you feel uncomfortable is to concentrate on the other's interests, rather than concentrating on your own.

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 12:55:31 AM   
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Find out as much as you can about them - find something you all have in common.  It could be that you all like watching football, or knitting, or breeding hamsters - there has to be some safe common ground.  Then use that as a basis for your discussions when you're with them.

There has to be ONE nilla activity you do?

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 2:05:50 AM   
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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 2:44:39 AM   
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The first meeting was a short one at his play. I was interrogated during intermission lol...that averted the next time won't be so easy...I have not mingled much in the nilla world in years and years. I haven't watched tv in 4 years as Ive been too busy with living life.

Even the very question of how did I meet their son is a hard one..I met him here on collar me over a year ago. While My family is a non issue as they live on the east coast and I would tell them precisely Who I am and what My boy means to Me ....with his I cannot especially since he is the submissive in an old world style family I wonder how do I create and keep up a facade to keep his submission secret from them as I wish to do since it would serve no good purpose.

The simple questions like what are your intentions with our son are even hard to handle.., ...My intention was to Own him and I do. he wears My collar...

chuckles thinking about the safe topic of football as someone recommended...(One of toys favorite passtimes) safe subject well....only if I can keep a straight face while imagining him in a cheerleader outfit....
bad domme giggles...

I have been very out of the closet with being bisexual and being BDSM. For Me this is taking a step back into a closet and I understand the need for it I just do not know how. All I do know is that boy deserves My best effort and I can use all the advice I can get. W/we discussed at length his family members (there are zillions of them) I know their likes and dislikes. now that the first meet occurred in a public place (and I wanted to safe word) I need to be able to figure out what to do when we all actually get to talk when there is more than a 15 minute intermission....

Is it wrong of Me to just let toy handle it all and sit there quieter than a church mouse somewhat meek? I was brought up ver old world Myself and when I called his parents Sir and Ma'am I think toy nearly had a coronary lol....what am I supposed to call them? They said their first names but to Me that is rude?

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 4:10:45 AM   
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Try to use the KISS  method as much as possible.  The simpler your answers the less likely they are to find something wrong with what you say.  What are you intentions towards our son?    How about, "I think the world of him and hope to be together for a very long time."  Thats enough.  Marriage? We are thinking about it, haven't talked about it, maybe in the future-whatever fits your situation. 

If it gets too intense simply say "I'm sorry but all these questions are making me uncomfortable"  "I would rather get to know you a bit at a time."  Parents or not you still have a right to your boundaries. 

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 5:17:34 AM   
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I think it's important to be able to function in a variety of situations in life, so to feel so uncomfortable back in "vanilla life" would be a bit concerning to me.  Perhaps it's time to think back to the foundations of relationships (communication, attraction, how you feel when you are with your toy) when you are being questioned by his family.  Thinking of the things that are common to any lifestyle might make it easier.

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 5:50:02 AM   
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Learn the art of the half lie.  I think it's completely justified in most family situations when talking about things you aren't ready to come out of the closet about.

First off, the other suggestions here are great- keep it simple, keep smiling, ask about THEM a lot as well, and act likes it's a perfectly normal thing and not at all a big deal.

Secondly, you should have a battle plan prepared with you and your partner whenever you do "the meet"  This doesn't mean you overload them.  One of my previous relationships gave me a half hour lecture on the list of do's and don't's of things when their FRIENDS were around, and included a lot of warnings about the fact that I probably wouldn't be liked or made part of the gorup any time soon.  That wasn't fun.

But I'm talking more about going OVER those basic questions together so that you get your stories straight.  Preparation is your key, vagueness is your friend.  "We met online in a discussion group"  

I remember the first time I met my younger partners family, it was hysterical.  His dad started asking the basic questions and my partner just FROZE, he had no idea what to say.  I, at this point. had been extremely well versed in dealing with families and vanilla questioning and smoothly stepped in and gave generic vanilla half-truth answers and all was fine.  We moved on to discussions of dinner.

Balancing in the vanilla world isn't difficult- you've already been doing it your whole life.  But you do have to get confidence in yourself and you have to prepare mentally with your partner.

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 6:50:03 AM   
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First of all, relax a little.  They're people, not piranahs.   You're an adult.  If they give you their first name, you can ask if that's what they prefer you to call them by.  If so, then relax.  You can use their first name.  As for how you met your boy... *shrug*  Say you met him on-line.  Why not?  I met my husband on-line and we've been happily married for 4 years now.  It happens. 
 
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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 7:10:06 AM   
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Heh.  i react VERY much the same way, when i get around "nilla's" that i *know* don't have a clue.  Moreso the ones i am only meeting for the first time.  The first ( and second and third ) meeting i had with Master's parents, was quite uncomfortable to say the least.  i didn't know quite what to say to them, or even how to fill them in on how i "got here". LOL... Since, Master knew them best, i nodded and smiled, a lot, taking in EVERYTHING He was telling them, so i knew how to respond next time.  Even as a Domme, i don't think it would be bad if You allowed Your toy to do the same.  Let him be the one to "explain" the "situation"... i have never found it easy to pretend to be someone i'm not.  Everyone around me knows what i stand for and how we live our life, well, except His parents. heh.  All His parents, know and see, is that i absolutely love and adore thier Son... and take good care of Him... and really, in the whole scheme of things.. i think that is all that matters :)

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 7:29:02 AM   
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Eliminating this type of difficulty for someone in my life is one of the reasons I don't try to keep my preferences in the closet when around my family.  They've known for many Many years about my kinks and have no problems with it.  Heck, the only member of my family (other than my minor child) who does Not know about my various *ehem* differerences *ehem* is someone that I am intentionally not in contact with anyway.
 
It is, however, amusing to watch the expression of the various kink oriented males I date when they find out that "oh yeah - don't worry about hiding it from daddy when you meet him - he already knows I only date kinky guys."  Sometimes, I get the impression that it makes some of them MORE uncomfortable NOT having to "hide in plain sight."

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 10:46:55 AM   
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Just explain to your toy that you don't like his family and you will not ever see them again, under any circumstances whatsoever.

Then beat him.

*laughs*
just kidding...

You two just need to work on your script a little bit.... I'd have thought you'd have discussed it a bit before you actually walked in the door. Just sit down, take a few minutes to get at least somewhat of the same stories together, let him handle the particularly fine details...since he'll be less nervous around them... and just try to picture them all in bondage.

It'll help you relax.
heh heh.

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 11:25:16 AM   
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I have a similar problem coming up....my family wants to meet my Master. I am absoulutely terrified, my family is very judgemental and not openminded at all. So the whole D/s thing will not be talked about but there is still the hard questions of how did you guys meet, ( we met on here and im not going to tell them that ), relationship questions and all that and there is also a big age difference which makes it even more complex. Master wants to just do it and get it over with, me on the other hand since I know my family am very hesitant. Luckily my Master is leaving it up to me and until I am comfortable with doing it. But advice is GREATELY appreciated. Oh and to add yes me and my Master have talked about it at great length and talked about how to answer questions but im still seriously nervous over the idea. 

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 12:10:50 PM   
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When they ask how you met just say an online personals site. There are tonnes  and you don't have to tell them that it is BDSM based. Say you started talking and had lots in common, decided to meet and really hit it off. You don't have to get into the whole D/s dynamics with them. With my family i have learned to just curb the answer to a level that they will not be overwhelmed with.

Age difference is a personal choice. lol my mom would be pleased as punch if i came home with someone older then myself. She keeps telling me I need someone between 13 and 20 years my senior lol.

Most families just want us to be happy and if you look all tense and nervous the whole time you are there they are going to worry or think the worst. Be relaxed, show that you love and trust him and that will in turn make your Master and your family more relaxed.





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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 12:52:12 PM   
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Greetings, First we need to separate what we are talking about. There is Ds which defines the relationship between you and the other members of your house and then there is your sex life. These are two different issues. Your sex life and by that, who you beat or play with is your business and no one else's. Leave the kink in the bedroom or dungeon. That leaves the Ds or power dynamic of the relationship. In any relationship someone must be in charge. Than just happens to be me. Thus the rest of my "family" looks to me for guidance in their everyday lives. When having dinner at my parents house, they simply look to me for a nod before they will begin eating. If they are asked something that they know they need my permission for, like going to have coffee or something. They simply state they need to check with me to ensure "we" don't have other plans first. This can be done very politely. By them addressing me as Ma'am at home it is just natural that they do so in public and with the vanilla's around. If someone says something we dismiss it as "Southern Manners" or we are practicing our etiquette to improve ourselves. At Thanksgiving my brother told my girl she did not have to ask me for permission before she could eat. She smiled at him and said "yes sir, I do." As my brother got ready to retort, the kids stuck their head into the dining room from the kitchen to ask if they might eat. My brother just looked disgusted, shut his mouth and ate his dinner. I am who I am, and while much of how I live can be done via subtle nods and eye contact I can still maintain control in whatever public situation I enter. With a waitress in a restaurant they will often quickly pick up that I am who they speak to and only me. Every time they try to address someone else at my table, they look at to me and I answer the waitresses question, thus bringing their attention back to me. A healthy tip and the next visit is trouble free. Money, confidence and carefully choosing your vanilla world contact allows you to be yourself and not cause issue in the vanilla world.  They might think me odd ( and probably do) but when they receive their tip, it is soon forgotten. I have had wait staff from past visits take my new waiter aside and bring them up to speed that I might receive the type of service I desire and they in return receive their tip. Always be polite and respectful of others and they will forget about the odd group of people quietly following behind you. If you are up front and confident, the other(s) behind you will be forgotten by you directing their focus upon yourself.  It is well known in my family that I walk my own path. My father reads the Ds Haven website and thus understands how I chose to live. Having a slave serve my table at home like a waiter from a fine restaurant might raise an eye brow, but my Mom and I have this agreement. My house, My rules. Thus, while I am visiting her house, she reserves the right to overrule me if she is uncomfortable with something. Her house, Her rules. As to my mom's concerns about how I treat the members of my house. I simply tell her they stay with me because I treat them this way. It is and was a hard concept for her to grasp. Be true to yourself and live your own life. Why should you care about a strangers opinion and as for family, just be subtle and you can keep on being you. MelissaMistress of Ds Havenwww.dshaven.com

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 5:55:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TolerableCruelty

Just explain to your toy that you don't like his family and you will not ever see them again, under any circumstances whatsoever.

Then beat him.

*laughs*
just kidding...

You two just need to work on your script a little bit.... I'd have thought you'd have discussed it a bit before you actually walked in the door. Just sit down, take a few minutes to get at least somewhat of the same stories together, let him handle the particularly fine details...since he'll be less nervous around them... and just try to picture them all in bondage.

It'll help you relax.
heh heh.

T.R.


LMAO I did tell him he was soo going to pay for this....and that W/we needed a script I should have thought about it before but it never occured to Me to "lie"
My favorite part of the whole day was that I have a rule that he cannot say ok When mom asked him a question he said it looked at Me and cringed (evil grin)

I cannot tell them we met off the internet so whatever story he comes up with I will stick to. (They would freak about the internet) VERY old fashion keep the suggestions pouring in Im taking notes and creating My "nilla" personna...

Its not that I cannot function in the nilla world, I just don't have to as I am out of the closet with everyone I know....he isnt and I respect that I also respect that it is his choice to remain that way and will do all I can to keep it as he feels necessary. What W/we do in My bedroom Is O/our business and what image W/we portray is that of just a doting couple (he is fortunate in that I enjoy pampering My pet smiles so it looks as I am very attentive as that is simply My nature)

keep the tips coming in ....

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 6:06:24 PM   
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Tell his family that you met at a coffee shop that were hosting a community get together  ( not a BDSM community, just a basic block party type thing )

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RE: How to deal in a nilla world? - 6/23/2006 6:57:57 PM   
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Honestly it sucks but it is their world meaning it is the nillas world and they arent going to get used to us so we just have to get used to them.... I know how it feels.. my family all know what I am into.. not to what extent I dont even think they know weather Im Dom or sub (my dad makes off color jokes about me whipping people) But I do know the other day my older brother said something very hurtfull... we took my dad out for fathers day just me him and my dad and some how my life style choice of BDSM came up and my brother called me a freak.... I dont know if he was just kidding I know at least part of him ment it.. but im very close to my older brother and that comment made me feel like he scooped my heart out with a dull spoon!!! I tried explaining calmly that I wasnt a freak this was just my prefrence but it didnt work... it hurt so bad to hear this from someone I am so close to (he has been my best friend as well as my brother my entire life) So i know first hand the nella world can be really hard on us!!!
      Man thinking about it still brings tears to my eyes!!!! I should probubly tell him how bad he hurt me...

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