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Duskypearls -> Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/1/2013 8:00:07 PM)

http://www.wimp.com/incrediblecrows/




stef -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/1/2013 9:08:00 PM)

I think that just means you need smarter friends.




DarkSteven -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/1/2013 9:33:18 PM)

Unfriends Duskypearls, smartly




Duskypearls -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/2/2013 3:20:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Unfriends Duskypearls, smartly


Sugar Bear, I said most, not all. Certainly not you!




Duskypearls -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/2/2013 3:22:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: stef

I think that just means you need smarter friends.


Surely you know I was being sarcastic, as I'm guessing you are, yes?!

That was pretty clever of that crow. He didn't even sit and ponder what needed to be done, but just seemed to know it. Pretty amazing to me.




Reged -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/2/2013 11:14:22 AM)

Feathered apes! who was that silly man?




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/2/2013 3:49:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

http://www.wimp.com/incrediblecrows/


Love it!

In 8th grade (it was in 762 BC as I recall) I presented a biology paper to my biology teacher (he was a total moron) explaining how chimpanzees ("Washo" had just 5 or 10 years prior learned sign language....she still hadn't taught her simian child sign language....that came 10 years later) were capable of thought and, at 14 or so years old, I posited that because they could think, they also had souls.

I got an F.

He explained to me that...that was all "rote" and, that animals are just that....animals. They don't think, they simply react.

(Moreover, that I was a moron. I'm sure some here may agree with him).

Years later I discovered (at {my then} age 25 or so) that Washo had in fact not only taught her child sign language (outside of and exclusive of her handlers, who had expressly stayed out of the equation by design), but in fact (and I'm making up numbers now....762 BC was a while ago...memory fades), Washo had learned something like 100 or so words and connecting phrases....her child had more than doubled that, moreover, had assembled phrases, outside of even her own Mother's training.

The child had deduced. Beautifully.

Back to crows....

There was a woman not far from here (Seattle area) who always came to a Burger King, fed the crows, every day....same time....every day.

Drove the same car...and when she arrived....miles before she arrived, the crows would follow her for MILES.....until she arrived at the Burger King that she arrived at every day. A literal black cloud of crows overhead.

They knew she was coming...they waited for her....they lived in all kinds of places....but they knew her car.

Her car....not someone else's....and they followed her for miles, having deduced that "that" car was hers....and when she arrived....she was absolutely deluged with crows....waiting for their breakfast.

Them is some smart fucking crows :)




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/2/2013 3:53:15 PM)

By the way....before anyone gets some crazy fucking idea that this is a very cool thing and (you) should replicate it....be aware...crows are filthy fucking creatures....smart....filthy.

They eat all that shit you see killed on the side of the road...and they fucking love that shit.

Smart?

Yep.

Disgusting.

Uh huh.




motown1 -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/2/2013 11:50:37 PM)

You ever read about or seen pictures of where the beef/poultry/pork comes from. The massive unsanitary feed lots and what they feed the animals. Breading grounds for disease. Unimaginable amount of antibiotics given to the animals just so they don't die from the conditions and what they are being fed. It's pretty disgusting but yet we all still eat it. Including me.
It's why our food tastes like shit compared to European food.

You call a crow disgusting because of what it eats but we aren't that far off.
It's all relative.




Duskypearls -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/3/2013 3:13:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: motown1

You ever read about or seen pictures of where the beef/poultry/pork comes from. The massive unsanitary feed lots and what they feed the animals. Breading grounds for disease. Unimaginable amount of antibiotics given to the animals just so they don't die from the conditions and what they are being fed. It's pretty disgusting but yet we all still eat it. Including me.
It's why our food tastes like shit compared to European food.

You call a crow disgusting because of what it eats but we aren't that far off.
It's all relative.



Can't argue with that!




epiphiny43 -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/3/2013 4:08:29 AM)

Crows as omnivores will scavenge. Being as smart and well sighted as their lifestyle requires, most road kill is consumed a lot faster than our food makes it through the slaughterhouses. In cattle country, those with a certain taste pick a side of beef at the slaughter house and have it hung in the cool room. "Call me when it's grey." which is when molds and fungus have changed the meat to a less tough 'material'. If there were an issue with what crows eat, there certainly wouldn't be so many surviving crows. Crows die of age, predators and hunting/varmint control(Poison and traps). Otherwise, very long lived. Birds, like most predators, process food much faster than humans. In and out in 3 hours? Not the same opportunity for the wrong bacteria to cause problems as humans who take 3 to 5 days for most 'nutrition' to pass through the digestive system.
Filthy is relative. Few animals have mouths with the germ count of humans. (mostly because we Touch everything, then touch our mouths, and live in huge communities of others who do the same that we shake hands with. Now There is filthy!) Ask any ER worker. Human bites infect far faster and more dangerously than most N.American animal bites, including dogs, who are known to enjoy scat for the minerals and salts missing in their usual diet. Other than the pure scavengers, many birds are cleaner than most wildlife (and us) as they live in trees by choice and necessity. Though being so warm bodied, w/ high metabolism and wide mobility, they have the highest parasitic problems of land animals. Happily most of their parasites dislike humans as cold and inhospitably bare hosts.

The Mariana's Crow so far seems the smartest of birds by one measure. One has been observed modifying tools for purpose and of using two interacting tools to accomplish goals (The experiment in the video). Trimming twigs and wires to shape and length to reach otherwise out of reach food or objects was considered a human only trait, till seen with one experimental crow. IIRC, that bird taught others the tricks. All larger primates find and use tools, the crow 'building' appropriate tools is a step above. Which doesn't mean chimps don't learn to modify natural objects for purpose. More animals are being found to be tool users all the time.
Language has also been found to be accomplished by numerous animals, chimps, gorilla and parrots in particular. Alex (African Congo Grey) with a vocabulary of over 350 words, constructed new phrases from words he'd been taught with new meanings and mastered a concept the Greeks didn't which the Arabs taught to the Christians, Zero. (Null sets) "Alex, how many?" Alex: "None!" (and on up to 5 or 6?) No zero in Roman numbers! AFAWK, Arabian Muslim mathematicians invented the concept of a number for 'nothing'. Europeans certainly didn't invent it.




MrRodgers -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/3/2013 6:43:55 PM)

A bit interesting is how they seem to be constantly checking to see...if the coast is clear.

As if to say 'can I get away with this ?'




playfulotter -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/3/2013 7:36:28 PM)

I had heard a few times crows are extremely smart but this was an amazing video you posted....Actually a few months ago I saw a dead crow hit by a car on a street I frequent and I thought it strange because I have never seen a dead crow before from being hit by a car...I figured the roadkill on the road must have been more enticing than the sound of an approaching car to this one crow or he had a hearing problem or maybe just like humans they come in all types!




DomKen -> RE: Crow's smarter than most people I know (4/3/2013 10:40:05 PM)

We are really only begining tounderstand the intelligence of the other animals we share the planet with.

In particular I was fascinated by the amount of communication that was possible between humans and a grey parrot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_(parrot)




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