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Interesting article on D/s in mainstream. - 4/2/2013 2:15:42 AM   
ARIES83


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I came across this and found parts interesting:

A church group in Australia is set to include the word "submit" in its marriage ceremony vows - in what is being seen as a direct reaction to the central dominant/submissive relationship in the racy novel 'Fifty Shades of Grey.'
The Archbishop of Sydney, Peter Jensen, known as one of the world's most conservative Anglican bishops, has defended the new vow saying that it was "not an invitation to bossiness, let alone abuse."
"In the last three or four decades a certain egalitarianism has crept into society and the way people think and I understand that's the reigning philosophy," the Daily Mail quoted him as telling ABC television.
"I just happen to think it's wrong, unhelpful, and in the end we will find it's better to recognise that men and women are different, that we have at certain points different responsibilities and men will be better men if we acknowledge that," he said.
The new ceremony, expected to be approved at a synod in October, will be requiring the minister to ask the bride: "Will you honour and submit to him, as the church submits to Christ?"
The bride then pledges "to love and submit" to her husband.
Though the church will allow couples to choose a vow which does not include the controversial pledge, the new wording has already been used in some of the marriage ceremonies. (ANI)
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RE: Interesting article on D/s in mainstream. - 4/2/2013 5:46:57 AM   
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A lot of people still use the "love, honor, and obey" thing. I honestly don't remember what our vows were lol...

The Bible says that a woman is supposed to submit to her husband as she would unto God. It also says the husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the church. So, it's not just that a woman is supposed to be her husbands doormat, there's another side to that coin. The man has just as much responsibility as he is supposed to see his wife as "without blemish" and to "not be harsh" and to see his body as her body also and to be to captivated and satisfied by her always. I think it's a pretty good deal if you have both sides fully committed to their role.

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RE: Interesting article on D/s in mainstream. - 4/2/2013 10:36:36 AM   
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What? The Church submits to Christ?

That is the first I've heard of this.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism
The crusader army came under the command, both spiritually and militarily, of the papal legate Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Cîteaux. In the first significant engagement of the war, the town of Béziers was besieged on 22 July 1209. The Catholic inhabitants of the city were granted the freedom to leave unharmed, but many refused and opted to stay and fight alongside the Cathars.

The Cathars spent much of 1209 fending off the crusaders. The Béziers army attempted a sortie but was quickly defeated, then pursued by the crusaders back through the gates and into the city. Arnaud, the Cistercian abbot-commander, is supposed to have been asked how to tell Cathars from Catholics. His reply, recalled by Caesar of Heisterbach, a fellow Cistercian, thirty years later was "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."—"Kill them all, the Lord will recognise His own." The doors of the church of St Mary Magdalene were broken down and the refugees dragged out and slaughtered. Reportedly, 7,000 people died there. Elsewhere in the town many more thousands were mutilated and killed. Prisoners were blinded, dragged behind horses, and used for target practice.[35] What remained of the city was razed by fire. Arnaud wrote to Pope Innocent III, "Today your Holiness, twenty thousand heretics were put to the sword, regardless of rank, age, or sex." The permanent population of Béziers at that time was then probably no more than 5,000, but local refugees seeking shelter within the city walls could conceivably have increased the number to 20,000.

After the success of his siege of Carcassonne, which followed the Massacre at Béziers in 1209, Simon de Montfort was designated as leader of the Crusader army. Prominent opponents of the Crusaders were Raymond Roger Trencavel, viscount of Carcassonne, and his feudal overlord Peter II, the king of Aragon, who held fiefdoms and had a number of vassals in the region. Peter died fighting against the crusade on 12 September 1213 at the Battle of Muret. de Montfort was killed on 25 June 1218 after maintaining a siege of Toulouse for nine months.[38]
Treaty and persecution

The war ended in the Treaty of Paris (1229), by which the king of France dispossessed the house of Toulouse of the greater part of its fiefs, and that of the Trencavels (Viscounts of Béziers and Carcassonne) of the whole of their fiefs. The independence of the princes of the Languedoc was at an end. But in spite of the wholesale massacre of Cathars during the war, Catharism was not yet extinguished.

In 1215, the bishops of the Catholic Church met at the Fourth Council of the Lateran under Pope Innocent III. One of the key goals of the council was to combat the heresy of the Cathars.

The Inquisition was established in 1229 to uproot the remaining Cathars. Operating in the south at Toulouse, Albi, Carcassonne and other towns during the whole of the 13th century, and a great part of the 14th, it finally succeeded in extirpating the movement. Cathars who refused to recant were hanged, or burnt at the stake.

From May 1243 to March 1244, the Cathar fortress of Montségur was besieged by the troops of the seneschal of Carcassonne and the archbishop of Narbonne. On 16 March 1244, a large and symbolically important massacre took place, where over 200 Cathar Perfects were burnt in an enormous fire at the prat dels cremats near the foot of the castle. Moreover, the Church decreed lesser chastisements against laymen suspected of sympathy with Cathars, at the 1235 Council of Narbonne.


The Cathar Inquisition is just one of thousands of examples that may be cited to demonstrate the true character of the Church and its' adherents. Christs' main message seems to have been, "Love thy enemy (and thou shall have very few of them)". This seems to have been the Cathars' main message also. I doubt it is a coincidence the Catholics burned the Cathars alive.

Some might say things are different today. And they are right. All the Cathars are dead.

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