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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 7:39:12 AM   
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I'm not interested in eulero83 definition. MrBukani defined his perameters and I can work within it.

He defined his parameters incorrectly.
Of course, I shouldn't really expect any better of you than latching onto an incorrect definition and then arguing that the correct one is a triviality.

And just out of interest: exactly which "demigods of pagan past" has the Church ever recognised as anything other Lucifer's minions in a cunning disguise?
You do know that the Sandman was a fantasy comic, not one of those Bible story things, right?

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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 7:53:50 AM   
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You mean like God did with the virgin Mary?



VIRGIN mary so no fucking, seed or eggs involved, it's the trinity concept that explain this. And this has nothing to do with judaism and islam that were also in your OP's list

Anyhow just say you are not into religion, and that angels and devils sound like bullshit to you, I don't see the point of trying to find a logical mistake in a topic that you barely know.

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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 8:00:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		The One supossed to invest powers into celestial beings with the same characteristics as demigods. Like Zeus and Odin and Ahura Mazda were the supreme gods above other demigods. I see a lot of correlation. And to call Jesus the One would be blasphemy to Jesus himself. There is no holy trinity.
Mohammed almost had it right, but he was tempted by evil and the other books to again include angels with godlike powers, thus demigods.
Since the devil is personified he becomes a deity. There can be no personification of beings that do not exist. Good and evil is within choice and free will. But lo and behold, none of the three major faiths truly believe in free will. They condemn their innocent children to the faith they favor. And so they sin against the first commandment of God.
You shall have Free Will.


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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 8:03:14 AM   
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You mean like God did with the virgin Mary?



VIRGIN mary so no fucking, seed or eggs involved, it's the trinity concept that explain this. And this has nothing to do with judaism and islam that were also in your OP's list

Anyhow just say you are not into religion, and that angels and devils sound like bullshit to you, I don't see the point of trying to find a logical mistake in a topic that you barely know.

I believe in the One, this is my absolute truth. I am not into blaspemy and an openminded person would question faith untill they find the true One.

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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 8:12:29 AM   
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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 8:31:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why would I want to start a religion?
They all end up bad anyway.
Its a way of life.
No church, mosque or any other so called house of God will ever be build.
Faith is for the individual.
When it is organized in religion it becomes evil and corrupt.
The One lives within all. Why would it need a home when it's always at home?

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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 8:52:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
I'm not interested in eulero83 definition. MrBukani defined his perameters and I can work within it.

He defined his parameters incorrectly.
Of course, I shouldn't really expect any better of you than latching onto an incorrect definition and then arguing that the correct one is a triviality.



I knew I should not have looked at The Oxford Dictionary

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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 8:55:59 AM   
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I'm not interested in eulero83 definition. MrBukani defined his perameters and I can work within it.

He defined his parameters incorrectly.
Of course, I shouldn't really expect any better of you than latching onto an incorrect definition and then arguing that the correct one is a triviality.



I knew I should not have looked at The Oxford Dictionary

You should certainly know not to edit definitions out of that and then expect nobody to notice, yes.

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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 9:00:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		What is defined in a dictionary as God or demigods is open to discuss. Demigods or lesser gods are all the same to me.
Every religion had a supreme god next to lesser gods or demi gods. In polytheistic belief they were just expressions of godly powers.
Like a goddess of fertility or a god of war. But most religions have a hierarchy of God and his minions. Angels are beings that very much resemble that. Beings that can take the form of mankind, just like mankind was shaped in the image of God. So is the image of God a man?
No it is the essence of man wich is free will.
God was free to choose the creation it made. God chose to create mankind and then bitches about his creature?
No the One doesn't bitch. The One has invested choice and free will into mankind. And man has to choose to be kind instead of evil. That's the way to the One.

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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 9:05:22 AM   
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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 9:19:40 AM   
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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 9:29:52 AM   
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There can only be one!



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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 9:41:59 AM   
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No it is the essence of man wich is free will.
God was free to choose the creation it made. God chose to create mankind and then bitches about his creature?
No the One doesn't bitch. The One has invested choice and free will into mankind. And man has to choose to be kind instead of evil. That's the way to the One.

How do you know this?
That God had a choice?
That man has free will?
That God wants men to be kind?

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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 10:09:34 AM   
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No it is the essence of man wich is free will.
God was free to choose the creation it made. God chose to create mankind and then bitches about his creature?
No the One doesn't bitch. The One has invested choice and free will into mankind. And man has to choose to be kind instead of evil. That's the way to the One.

How do you know this?
That God had a choice?
That man has free will?
That God wants men to be kind?


It is tested that humans always think of good first and then bad.
Besides that any man wants to believe he is doing the right thing, not wrong.
The good will make you happy and the bad sad.
I cannot in any way reason life is created to be bad in origin.
Free will is easy, I can choose not to answer you.
If The One has a choice is more of a debate.
In general one would assume there is always a chance of choice to the One.
Like hydrogen and oxygen love to come together to make water.
Is that a choice?
Maybe not and it is divine order.
Still molecules are choosy who they connect with.
They rather connect to one then the other.
So the One Source who controls all, chose wich parts combine easy.
And what not.

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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 10:17:43 AM   
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What is defined in a dictionary as God or demigods is open to discuss. Demigods or lesser gods are all the same to me.



I understand your usage. You understand your usage. Seems some don't, and as such need to argue over semantics.


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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 10:38:50 AM   
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It is tested that humans always think of good first and then bad.
Besides that any man wants to believe he is doing the right thing, not wrong.
The good will make you happy and the bad sad.

therein lies the road to human delusion.

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I cannot in any way reason life is created to be bad in origin.

Perhaps life was not created except in your reason which has its limitations.

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Free will is easy, I can choose not to answer you.

Or you were compelled to answer to restore your emotional equillibrium.

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If The One has a choice is more of a debate.
In general one would assume there is always a chance of choice to the One.

It is as you admit a human assumption, not a certainty as you proclaimed earlier.

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Like hydrogen and oxygen love to come together to make water.
Is that a choice?

Sometimes they do not. Sometimes they form hydrogen peroxide instead.


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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 10:52:12 AM   
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What is defined in a dictionary as God or demigods is open to discuss. Demigods or lesser gods are all the same to me.



I understand your usage. You understand your usage. Seems some don't, and as such need to argue over semantics.



I understood his usage and he's using as "god like entities" but in his argumentation in the OP he swithces from a looser usage of the term to a stricher one when his point doesn't fit the one or the other. Going on with the OP he claims there is a paradox in 3 religion's beliefs, but this is all based on shallow knoweledge about them and other religions from Indo-European cultures.
He seems to have his new philosophy, maybe he will have many followers in the future, not only on twitter, and will be the next Rael or Sai Baba, good for him.

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RE: Blasphemy! - 4/3/2013 11:14:12 AM   
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And within that definition (as eulero83 correctly points out) angels are not demigods.
It's worth bearing in mind that the misogynistic desert montheisms all define angels as representatives or envoys who are gifted some of the supreme being's authority and power. As they are merely extensions of His will, the notion that they are rivals with power that even begins to approach His, is nonsense.
Just ask Lucifer.

Actually the Hebrews were polytheistic until well after the old testmanet was being written. Ba'al as used in the OT refers to any number of patron deities worshipped by the semitic tribes living in the Levant until at least the 9th century BCE.

Also the word Elohim, literaly god or gods in Hebrew, is translated as angels and is sometimes translated into the singular God when the surrounding context makes clear a plural Gods is correct.

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