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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 9:11:15 AM   
subrob1967


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Anyone who wants an abortion can get one by paying for it themselves... Fargle is whining because he wants Uncle Sugar to pay for EVERYTHING.

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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 9:13:16 AM   
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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 9:16:27 AM   
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why should anyone's belief trump science?


It is SCIENCE who says that from fertilization a unique human being exists. That human being has DNA that is DIFFERENT from that of its mother. Half the time it is of a different GENDER from its mother. Before the end of the second month of gestation, it has its own heartbeat. This isn't opinion, it is medical FACT.

I'm sorry, but my right to convenience is trumped by the child's right to be born.

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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 9:18:39 AM   
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It is SCIENCE who says that from fertilization a unique human being exists.


Not any real science, maybe horseshit science blogs and whatnot.......but not science.

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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 9:19:27 AM   
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Given that abortion is safer than pregnancy


Tell that to Gosnell's victims.

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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 9:27:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Seriously? A bunch of unhinged religious nuts want to impose their version of Sharia Law on y'all and you accept that shit?

Yes, I do. I call that "living in a society with other people" and an important part of democracy.


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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 9:52:13 AM   
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Given that abortion is safer than pregnancy, I would suggest that you're doing everyone a favor reducing overall risk and expense across the board.

ICC > "States Rights"... And if you disagree, take it to the USSC, because complaining to me ain't gonna help.




Again insurance companies even the gov usually cover whatever is the cheapest option. So, really you are arguing for sterilization or birth control...cheaper and safer than even abortions fargle.....Prevent the pregnancy=no cost.

So arguably as long as they are covering birth control they are providing adequate care. After that you are not following docs orders and then are responsible for additional cost.

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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 10:07:10 AM   
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If you don't mind me combining a couple of quotes...

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

A bunch of unhinged religious nuts want to impose their version of Sharia Law on y'all and you accept that shit?

We "KNOW" there is no indivisible soul implanted at conception. Period. Otherwise twinning after conception would result in one of the twins not having a soul.

Since accepting a patient's delusions can sometimes be a useful therapeutic technique, I'll ask (purely rhetorically) how we can "know" that it wasn't the presence of two souls that caused the twinning? Because in the final analysis, this bullshit you're posting is nothing more or less than your own unhinged religious crap about the "soul" entering the body at quickening.

PRIOR to the mother feeling movement, there's no soul... ~farglebargle

K.

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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 10:09:25 AM   
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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 11:37:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

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why should anyone's belief trump science?


It is SCIENCE who says that from fertilization a unique human being exists. That human being has DNA that is DIFFERENT from that of its mother. Half the time it is of a different GENDER from its mother. Before the end of the second month of gestation, it has its own heartbeat. This isn't opinion, it is medical FACT.

I'm sorry, but my right to convenience is trumped by the child's right to be born.


Who cares about 'unique human being'? EVERY human being is unique.

This is more of that sloppy, "Life begins at conception" stupidity. LIFE is a continuum. The parents are alive. The sperm is alive. The egg is alive. The blastocyst is alive. Big Fucking Deal. There's nothing special about 'life'. EVERYTHING I ATE FOR LUNCH WAS ALIVE ONCE. You don't see anyone suggesting that we should all give up lunch.

I don't see what's special about any particular blastocyst. Please explain what's special about a blastocyst, given the number of spontaneous abortions which result in their failure to implant in the first place?


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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 11:39:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


If you don't mind me combining a couple of quotes...

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

A bunch of unhinged religious nuts want to impose their version of Sharia Law on y'all and you accept that shit?

We "KNOW" there is no indivisible soul implanted at conception. Period. Otherwise twinning after conception would result in one of the twins not having a soul.

Since accepting a patient's delusions can sometimes be a useful therapeutic technique, I'll ask (purely rhetorically) how we can "know" that it wasn't the presence of two souls that caused the twinning? Because in the final analysis, this bullshit you're posting is nothing more or less than your own unhinged religious crap about the "soul" entering the body at quickening.

PRIOR to the mother feeling movement, there's no soul... ~farglebargle

K.


If your god knows that there needs to be two souls for twins, he'd be total fucking idiot to waste souls he knows will be aborted, wouldn't he?

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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 11:51:39 AM   
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It is SCIENCE who says that from fertilization a unique human being exists.


Not any real science, maybe horseshit science blogs and whatnot.......but not science.


Which science is the real science? You guys should have some crusades to sort it all out...

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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 12:03:20 PM   
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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 12:14:55 PM   
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If your god knows...

You hearing those voices again?

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he'd be total fucking idiot...

Pot meet Kettle.

K.

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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 1:23:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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Anyone who wants an abortion can get one by paying for it themselves... Fargle is whining because he wants Uncle Sugar to pay for EVERYTHING.



as opposed to u whining because after the child is born because there was not enough money to get said abortion and the child winds up in foster care its ur same "uncle sugar" who winds up paying for everything from health care to education, food to housing, for the better part of 20 years??

and u do whine even more so about paying for that don't u?

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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 5:30:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Seriously? A bunch of unhinged religious nuts want to impose their version of Sharia Law on y'all and you accept that shit?


Yes, I do. I call that "living in a society with other people" and an important part of democracy.



religion is NOT a part of a democracy..... that's why almost every Theocracy has imploded over the last 500 or so years. u want the USA to do the same do u? then let the "unhinged religious nuts " he mentioned run things for even a short bit of time..... for any excuse.... this very sexual forum and freedom to express anything sexual on it would be gone in a cough, and that would just be the start of the elimination of basic freedoms. ur sexual life would become their business even though even though supposedly they want less government imposition on ur life.... go figure that one.

what is good for the "unhinged religious nuts" is NEVER what's good for everyone else in ANY society, just what good for that religion. and u have plenty of history to look back at to see THAT fact.

...u have the freedom to be OF a religion,.... and that's where it should (and does) stop.


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What would the internet be like if we couldn't say trump is a moron?

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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 5:36:33 PM   
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Anyone who wants an abortion can get one by paying for it themselves... Fargle is whining because he wants Uncle Sugar to pay for EVERYTHING.



as opposed to u whining because after the child is born because there was not enough money to get said abortion and the child winds up in foster care its ur same "uncle sugar" who winds up paying for everything from health care to education, food to housing, for the better part of 20 years??

and u do whine even more so about paying for that don't u?


You tell me, in fact why don't you quote me?


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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 5:47:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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Anyone who wants an abortion can get one by paying for it themselves... Fargle is whining because he wants Uncle Sugar to pay for EVERYTHING.



as opposed to u whining because after the child is born because there was not enough money to get said abortion and the child winds up in foster care its ur same "uncle sugar" who winds up paying for everything from health care to education, food to housing, for the better part of 20 years??

and u do whine even more so about paying for that don't u?


You tell me, in fact why don't you quote me?





......personally I feel u calling the government "uncle sugar" covers that (whining) requirement......

< Message edited by itsSIRtou -- 4/4/2013 5:51:39 PM >

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RE: Time for ALL Healthcare to 100% cover all abortion ... - 4/4/2013 6:59:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou


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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Seriously? A bunch of unhinged religious nuts want to impose their version of Sharia Law on y'all and you accept that shit?


Yes, I do. I call that "living in a society with other people" and an important part of democracy.



religion is NOT a part of a democracy..... that's why almost every Theocracy has imploded over the last 500 or so years. u want the USA to do the same do u? then let the "unhinged religious nuts " he mentioned run things for even a short bit of time..... for any excuse.... this very sexual forum and freedom to express anything sexual on it would be gone in a cough, and that would just be the start of the elimination of basic freedoms. ur sexual life would become their business even though even though supposedly they want less government imposition on ur life.... go figure that one.

what is good for the "unhinged religious nuts" is NEVER what's good for everyone else in ANY society, just what good for that religion. and u have plenty of history to look back at to see THAT fact.

...u have the freedom to be OF a religion,.... and that's where it should (and does) stop.



How is religion not a part of a democracy?

Let's say that I'm devoutly Catholic, and I truly believe that abortion is taking the life of an innocent and yet-to-be-born living thing (I'm not making the argument for or against that viewpoint right now).

Am I supposed to put aside my religious convictions when I vote? Am I supposed to say "Well, this is what I believe is the morally right thing, but that's a religious feeling, so never mind"?

Of course not. Religion has always been and will always be a part (and a significant part) of any democracy, for the simple reason that a significant number of people are and will be religious, and those beliefs define their moral code, which they then use in deciding for whom to vote.

Are there people who take it too far? Of course there are, both from the religious wing of the right and from the atheist wing of the left. Again, that's a democracy.

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