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thishereboi -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 5:51:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle The shit in a red bull is more dangerous in terms of potential side effects. You know this for a fact do you? You have seen the studies they have done on the effects of this drug on teens? You have seen the studies on what happens if kids use this drug on a regular basis? Sorry but I am going to have to call bullshit on this one.

thishereboi -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 5:55:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess I think everyone should take account of the reality that many underage pregnant girls neither have access to medical care independently of their parents, nor have the type of relationship with their parents to be open about an issue like this until it is too late to take another course of action. Denying such girls access to the morning after pill leaves them with only one alternative - pregnancy and labor. Does anyone want to go into detail about the health issues relating to pregnancy and labor in children under the age of 16? The side effects of this pill are rather minimal in comparison. Interesting how many people think that subjecting a young girl to pregnancy and labor is not a health risk......[&:] I think everyone should also take into account how stupid girls can be at that age and how easy it would be for them to use this as a form of birth control without taking into account the possible dangers of repeated use. Do you want to go into detail about the health issues regarding misusing medication and the possible effects on a young body that has not finished developing yet? Do you honestly think your scenario happens enough to justify putting that many more kids at risk?

Powergamz1 -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 6:38:22 AM)
Another suburb heard from. 'Scenario' hmmm? quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess I think everyone should take account of the reality that many underage pregnant girls neither have access to medical care independently of their parents, nor have the type of relationship with their parents to be open about an issue like this until it is too late to take another course of action. Denying such girls access to the morning after pill leaves them with only one alternative - pregnancy and labor. Does anyone want to go into detail about the health issues relating to pregnancy and labor in children under the age of 16? The side effects of this pill are rather minimal in comparison. Interesting how many people think that subjecting a young girl to pregnancy and labor is not a health risk......[&:] I think everyone should also take into account how stupid girls can be at that age and how easy it would be for them to use this as a form of birth control without taking into account the possible dangers of repeated use. Do you want to go into detail about the health issues regarding misusing medication and the possible effects on a young body that has not finished developing yet? Do you honestly think your scenario happens enough to justify putting that many more kids at risk?

farglebargle -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 7:19:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle The shit in a red bull is more dangerous in terms of potential side effects. You know this for a fact do you? You have seen the studies they have done on the effects of this drug on teens? You have seen the studies on what happens if kids use this drug on a regular basis? Sorry but I am going to have to call bullshit on this one. Are people really complaining about BIRTH CONTROL ( which the morning after pill is ) being used as BIRTH CONTROL? And CIGARETTES are still sold at drug stores, huh? What do you suppose people are using them to treat? The hyperbole isn't too far off. Let's pick some OTC meds, and compare the potential side effects? Tylenol has killed more people than the morning after pills ever will. ( You know, because day-old unimplanted cells aren't PEOPLE... ) http://www.bigclassaction.com/lawsuit/tylenol.php

cordeliasub -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 7:29:09 AM)
quote: And what justification do you have to use that Tylenol analogy to deny these pills to a rape victim based on age? Apparently your...ahem....vehemence clouds your comprehension. I said nothing about denying rape victims anything. I said I do not want MY child to be given any type of hormonal/BC/reproductive medication with out MY knowledge......and I used to tylenol analogy because tylenol is much less controversial to give to a child than the morning after pill. But nice attempt at emotional manipulation. And no....I don;t think anyone here is opposed to birth control. The PARENTS here are opposed to our young children taking a medication that would seem to indicate something sexual and possibly traumatic had happened to them....and we might never know. The idea that my CHILD could come home after having been sexually active or raped at 12 years old AND have been given a high dose of hormones....and I would never know what made her sick or sad or why she was having nightmares or why she might one day end up suicidal....I would be her mother and never know any of this because some idiot took care of it without my knowledge. It ain't rocket surgery, people.

FunCouple5280 -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 8:07:30 AM)
According to the OP it wasn't prohibited, just required a prescription under 16....... What is odd I find is the basis of the decision is that they didn't want it behind the counter in case the pharmacy closed......Sure you have to go to the window to get the drug, but what about other 'harmless' drugs. Like Sudafed, I have a stuffy nose and want to get some sleep but I need ID and an anal probe? If the judge wanted to challenge the FDA stance on requiring a script, that's one thing. Once it became about selling it anywhere at anytime, it became political and not policy based on public health and safety. quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Those warning label side affects are put there by lawyers and corporate executives, based on the one in a million chance that something might happen. The same as 'Do not insert hand or feet into lawn mower blades' warnings Just because something is listed there gives no clue as to the medical likelihood that it will happen to any particular patient. Those warnings aren't there for treatment, they are there for lawyers to use to defend against lawsuits. On the other hand, there is nothing in this judge's ruling that would prohibit an individual's doctor from advising against the drug for medical not moral, reasons. And, one of the uses of the morning after pill is for rape victims... of any age, and in the real world, rapists don't worry too damn much about age limits. Which made the FDAs ban based on age simply unworkable. If someone wants to make the argument 'Better that 100 eight year olds get pregnant than a single teenager have irresponsible sex', they are welcome to go for it... I don't buy it, and I doubt if the judge did either. quote: ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280 So pretty much, this is political activism turning a blind eye to medical science and patient safety...... What about the right/duty of a parent to be involved as a gaurdian of their child?..... I am all for plan B, but even CO said you had to be 21 to smoke pot when it is legal. You have to be safe....

FunCouple5280 -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 8:12:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle And CIGARETTES are still sold at drug stores, huh? What do you suppose people are using them to treat? The hyperbole isn't too far off. Let's pick some OTC meds, and compare the potential side effects? Tylenol has killed more people than the morning after pills ever will. ( You know, because day-old unimplanted cells aren't PEOPLE... ) Cigarettes are still behind the counter and require ID, so bad analogy. Tylenol is consumed in megadoses by comparison and abused because of its availability..... No one knows what the effects of Plan B are if consumed regularly (Every town has an idiot). So bad example again. Ask a woman who has used it, it is a hormonal roller coaster......You start taking it in a manner other than intended god knows..

Powergamz1 -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 8:58:13 AM)
This article isn't about your child, or about Tylenol (which does not require a prescription, unlike the pill). This article is about a prescription that was specifically developed for among other things, rape victims, no matter who their parents are. The old rule made it impossible for any parent, or any doctor to help an underage rape victim avoid becoming pregnant by their rapist. The judge took that away, and now underage rape victims and their parents can go to a doctor and get the prescription. There is no way to handwave that into not being a factor. So any argument favoring the old rule, automatically carries with it all of the factors, not just some. quote: ORIGINAL: cordeliasub quote: And what justification do you have to use that Tylenol analogy to deny these pills to a rape victim based on age? Apparently your...ahem....vehemence clouds your comprehension. I said nothing about denying rape victims anything. I said I do not want MY child to be given any type of hormonal/BC/reproductive medication with out MY knowledge......and I used to tylenol analogy because tylenol is much less controversial to give to a child than the morning after pill. But nice attempt at emotional manipulation. And no....I don;t think anyone here is opposed to birth control. The PARENTS here are opposed to our young children taking a medication that would seem to indicate something sexual and possibly traumatic had happened to them....and we might never know. The idea that my CHILD could come home after having been sexually active or raped at 12 years old AND have been given a high dose of hormones....and I would never know what made her sick or sad or why she was having nightmares or why she might one day end up suicidal....I would be her mother and never know any of this because some idiot took care of it without my knowledge. It ain't rocket surgery, people.

Powergamz1 -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 9:00:28 AM)
Not quite It was Rx for everybody, and it was forbidden to anyone under 17. Now it is still a prescription medication, but that prescription can be written by a doctor for younger patients. quote: ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280 According to the OP it wasn't prohibited, just required a prescription under 16....... What is odd I find is the basis of the decision is that they didn't want it behind the counter in case the pharmacy closed......Sure you have to go to the window to get the drug, but what about other 'harmless' drugs. Like Sudafed, I have a stuffy nose and want to get some sleep but I need ID and an anal probe? If the judge wanted to challenge the FDA stance on requiring a script, that's one thing. Once it became about selling it anywhere at anytime, it became political and not policy based on public health and safety. quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Those warning label side affects are put there by lawyers and corporate executives, based on the one in a million chance that something might happen. The same as 'Do not insert hand or feet into lawn mower blades' warnings Just because something is listed there gives no clue as to the medical likelihood that it will happen to any particular patient. Those warnings aren't there for treatment, they are there for lawyers to use to defend against lawsuits. On the other hand, there is nothing in this judge's ruling that would prohibit an individual's doctor from advising against the drug for medical not moral, reasons. And, one of the uses of the morning after pill is for rape victims... of any age, and in the real world, rapists don't worry too damn much about age limits. Which made the FDAs ban based on age simply unworkable. If someone wants to make the argument 'Better that 100 eight year olds get pregnant than a single teenager have irresponsible sex', they are welcome to go for it... I don't buy it, and I doubt if the judge did either. quote: ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280 So pretty much, this is political activism turning a blind eye to medical science and patient safety...... What about the right/duty of a parent to be involved as a gaurdian of their child?..... I am all for plan B, but even CO said you had to be 21 to smoke pot when it is legal. You have to be safe....

tazzygirl -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 9:20:42 AM)
quote: Not quite It was Rx for everybody, and it was forbidden to anyone under 17. Now it is still a prescription medication, but that prescription can be written by a doctor for younger patients. No, it was prescription required for under 17. Over it was behind the counter. 'Morning after' pill will stay prescription-only for girls under 17 In July 2009, Plan B was approved for use without a prescription for females aged 17 and older, but girls under 17 needed a prescription.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 12:03:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle The shit in a red bull is more dangerous in terms of potential side effects. You know this for a fact do you? You have seen the studies they have done on the effects of this drug on teens? You have seen the studies on what happens if kids use this drug on a regular basis? Sorry but I am going to have to call bullshit on this one. Uh, RedBull contains caffeine and sugar.....there are lots of studies showing the dangers of both.....

fucktoyprincess -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 12:08:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cordeliasub I am cracking up that my high child cannot be given a tylenol at school unless I sign a form and bring the original bottle, which has to be locked up. But an abortion pill? Hey, have at it. Pathetic. That is because of liability issues that the school faces if they don't get your consent. It is not because Tylenol is a "restricted" drug in some way. Nothing stops your high school age child from buying Tylenol on the way home from school and taking it. I can recall countless times as a teenager purchasing otc drugs at a drug store to deal with pms/menstrual symptoms. No one asked for ID at the store, and no one prevented me from buying the otc medications. Schools are a different issue.

cordeliasub -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 2:13:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Not quite It was Rx for everybody, and it was forbidden to anyone under 17. Now it is still a prescription medication, but that prescription can be written by a doctor for younger patients. No, it was prescription required for under 17. Over it was behind the counter. 'Morning after' pill will stay prescription-only for girls under 17 In July 2009, Plan B was approved for use without a prescription for females aged 17 and older, but girls under 17 needed a prescription. Here is a quote from the article: In July 2009, Plan B was approved for use without a prescription for females aged 17 and older, but girls under 17 needed a prescription. For this still ranting about it being prohibited for girls under 17 until this ruling. Say it with me: Fonzie

Powergamz1 -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 6:05:48 PM)
Seriously? That's the best you've got to dodge the question? To take something in the media, and pretend that 'RX for ages 17 and older only' really means OTC for anyone over 17? You're going to keep a straight face and claim that Plan B is sitting on the shelf next to the aspirin, but proof of age is all that it takes to buy it, no prescription of any kind? And that if an adult bought it, they could simply hand it out like candy to any children, because it wasn't a controlled substance? And now after the judge's ruling, any 6 year old can buy it? Bullshit. Pure unmitigated bullshit. We wouldn't be having this discussion about the government denying the pill to those under 17 if they could simply go get it with a prescription. It is a prescription medicine, end of story. (At least until the federal government reads your post and realizes how terribly and foolishly wrong they were to think that just because they scheduled it as a prescription medicine, it actually was a prescription medicine) http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a610021.html Additional restrictions were added by politicians to keep anyone under age from having it prescribed, including rape victims. Which leads back to my original point. Like it or not, this judge's ruling has more than one potential consequence... One is easier access for underage recreational sex, and other is more teenagers being able to get the prescription includes those who have been raped not being forced to bear their rapist's children. quote: ORIGINAL: cordeliasub In July 2009, Plan B was approved for use without a prescription for females aged 17 and older, but girls under 17 needed a prescription. For this still ranting about it being prohibited for girls under 17 until this ruling. Say it with me: Fonzie

tazzygirl -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 6:29:16 PM)
quote: It is a prescription medicine, end of story. (At least until the federal government reads your post and realizes how terribly and foolishly wrong they were to think that just because they scheduled it as a prescription medicine, it actually was a prescription medicine) http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a610021.html Your own source which you seem to ignore. Levonorgestrel is available as a nonprescription medication for women 17 years of age and older, and by prescription only for women younger than 17 years of age. If you are younger than 17, you will need to talk to a doctor to get a prescription for levonorgestrel. If you are 17 years of age or older you can buy levonorgestrel at a pharmacy. Levonorgestrel is kept behind the pharmacy counter and you will need to show the pharmacist your driver's license or other government-issued identification that shows your age in order to purchase the medication.

cordeliasub -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 7:15:18 PM)
Have you ever had a conversation with someone who you knew wasn't really listening to anything you say because they were already forming their next response and were so convinced they were right that any facts you might have were not even....on their radar? Yeah. I never said plan B was next to the Tylenol. I am pretty certain it was clear it is typically behind the counter (like the test strips to test blood sugar at Walgreens). And it isn't the "consequences" I am speaking of anyway - it is - again - The fact that my child could make such a decision while underage and I would never even know. If my child is raped, or even if she decide to have underage sex, I cannot bear the thought of her having to grapple with this on her own. I KNOW that pain. I want to know if my child is taking a medication.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 8:16:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cordeliasub Have you ever had a conversation with someone who you knew wasn't really listening to anything you say because they were already forming their next response and were so convinced they were right that any facts you might have were not even....on their radar? Yeah. I never said plan B was next to the Tylenol. I am pretty certain it was clear it is typically behind the counter (like the test strips to test blood sugar at Walgreens). And it isn't the "consequences" I am speaking of anyway - it is - again - The fact that my child could make such a decision while underage and I would never even know. If my child is raped, or even if she decide to have underage sex, I cannot bear the thought of her having to grapple with this on her own. I KNOW that pain. I want to know if my child is taking a medication. Underage in my mind means under the age of 18. Trust me the first time your child under the age of 18 decides to have sex, he or she is not likely to give you a call for approval beforehand. I mean this quite sincerely. I know of no single person who had sex before the age of 18 who discussed this beforehand with their parents. Not one. Maybe others are different, and operate differently on this issue, but most of my friends, male or female, lost their virginity without their parents ever knowing about it. It was just not discussed. Maybe things are different today, and kids are more open about this kind of thing, but something tells me they are not any different than what I and my friends were like at that age. For the record, I know many who waited until after the age of 18 to have sex for the first time, too. I'm just saying I don't know anyone who informed their parents before they had sex for the first time. I have many friends who went on the pill with assistance from their parents but after /i] they had become sexually active. In other words, lots of kids did, and do, run the risk of pregnancy without consulting their parents beforehand.

Aylee -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/6/2013 8:29:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/06/health/judge-orders-fda-to-make-morning-after-pill-available-over-the-counter-for-all-ages.html?emc=na&_r=1& FREEDOM. This is what it looks like when WOMEN have it, too. WTF is up with New York anyway? My body, my choice, unless it refers to salt, trans-fat, or the size of soda I want? They have an app for teens with sex information on it; but you cannot light up a cigarette in a bar. When did private vice in New York become public virtue and vice versa?

cordeliasub -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/7/2013 6:18:30 AM)
I don't expect my child to tell me before she has sex. I also don't expect someone else to give her medication without my knowledge. Do people really have this much trouble understanding why a parent would have a problem with this, or is the need to be right just clouding comprehension.

tazzygirl -> RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-counter for all ages... (4/7/2013 6:52:19 AM)
While I do agree that a parent should be informed, there are many girls who cannot due to fear to tell their parents.

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