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Still Black enslaved in America no matter what you say

No matter what I say, except that I never said they weren't.

Spectacular.

K.

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With the outrage over this case, it isn't likely to be a 50/50 toss up at all.

After Zimmerman's criminal trial, when the Martins sue him personally, it will be a waste of time. He won't have any money (aka Casey Anthony). If he is found guilty (good chance), then he won't have any money or chance to make any, since he can't profit from his crime. If he is not sitting in a jail cell, I'm sure the Martins will file their civil complaint quickly and his irrevocable trust will be useless since he will obviously have set it up specifically to avoid paying on a civil suit.

I'm assuming your basing your view on New Jersey versus Florida. Even in Seminole County the Travon Martin shooting is mostly forgotten about. I don't know how people do things in your parts but using a gun lawfully in self-defense is allowed in Florida. I realize in New Jersey that's highly alien given your laws and culture. I've randomly polled folks and while most thing Zimmerman was an idiot, they can't say beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed murder, intended to commit murder, or unjustly killed Travon Martin. Most think Zimmerman picked a fight he couldn't win and when things went from fisticuffs to possible murder based on the facts available (witnesses and forensics, not hyperbole), many thing Zimmerman used the firearm lawfully to defend himself.

Again get two white men over the age of forty, on top of any white women, hispanic males, hispanic women, you've got a solid go at reasonable doubt and acquittal. It's innocent till proven guilty. Not an arrest automatically makes you guilty.

To address the trust. If the irrevocable trust is created by someone other than zimmerman, and zimmerman directs any payments to be made to the trust in exchange for his appearances and so forth, so long as the trust is properly setup as a support trust with proper spendthrift clause, and someone other than zimmerman is the beneficiary (like his wife), an attorney would have a real hard time attaching the corpus of the trust for collection. At best they might garnish a percentage of each disbursement from the trust, and that would be a small percentage. But again they'd have to win a civil suit, and attorneys like to take cases they are likely to get paid on. It's not just about winning, it's about getting paid and possible payment from Zimmerman isn't real attractive.

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Jenny B. Wahl, Carleton College (His words words)

Slavery is fundamentally an economic phenomenon. Throughout history, slavery has existed where it has been economically worthwhile to those in power. The principal example in modern times is the U.S. South.

This, too, is bullshit.

Oh I don't know, Jenny B Wahl is a noted author mostly in Law and Economics and Carleton College is ranked as one of the best colleges. Just because you can't deal with it does not make in bullshit.

hm....your profile says you LIVE in CA....Must be a typo. I LIVE in the south, and yes, there are racists. But not any more than anywhere else I have ever been. I'd be willing to bet good old Jenny isn't real objective either. This "the only real racists are in the south" bullshit is soooooooo tired.

And for the record, we wear shoes now too


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And for the record, we wear shoes now too

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And for the record, we wear shoes now too

Really? When I lived in the south, I avoided shoes as much as possible.

Oh wait. I'm back in the north, and I still avoid shoes as much as possible, lol.

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Jenny B. Wahl, Carleton College (His words words)

Slavery is fundamentally an economic phenomenon. Throughout history, slavery has existed where it has been economically worthwhile to those in power. The principal example in modern times is the U.S. South.

This, too, is bullshit.

Oh I don't know, Jenny B Wahl is a noted author mostly in Law and Economics and Carleton College is ranked as one of the best colleges. Just because you can't deal with it does not make in bullshit.

hm....your profile says you LIVE in CA....Must be a typo. I LIVE in the south, and yes, there are racists. But not any more than anywhere else I have ever been. I'd be willing to bet good old Jenny isn't real objective either. This "the only real racists are in the south" bullshit is soooooooo tired.

And for the record, we wear shoes now too

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Would you please point out where I said anything of those in the south are racists and don't wear shoes? Jenny B. Wahl is a respected author with several published books on Law and the Economy.

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And for the record, we wear shoes now too

Really? When I lived in the south, I avoided shoes as much as possible.

Oh wait. I'm back in the north, and I still avoid shoes as much as possible, lol.

YOU REDNECK!

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And none of which changes the fact that the slave trade occurred a long time before the brown man with the African Hispanic mother pulled the trigger on the black man with the African American parents.

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Would you please point out where I said anything of those in the south are racists and don't wear shoes? Jenny B. Wahl is a respected author with several published books on Law and the Economy.

None of which changes the fact that Dr. Wahl is a female, instead of a male, as you (for some bizarre reason) insist.

http://apps.carleton.edu/reason_package/reason_4.0/www/images/669929_tn.jpg?cb=1285614539


And none of which changes the fact that the slave trade occurred a long time before the brown man with the African Hispanic mother pulled the trigger on the black man with the African American parents.

Which makes all of this freakishly off topic spewing, an obnoxious 'look at-me' dance at the expense of everyone involved in this situation.

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Funny how everything you say/claim, always falls one way,towards George(in life,nothing always falls only one way) but never comes true....

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Gee Blacks making money off of whites, just terrible... (my words)

I think this would be more a case of blacks making money off of blacks. But since you want to play the slavery card...

Free black slaveowners resided in states as north as New York and as far south as Florida, extending westward into Kentucky, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Missouri. According to the federal census of 1830, free blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves in Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia. The majority of black slaveowners lived in Louisiana and planted sugar cane. The majority of black masters had not been slaves themselves. Yet, the ranks of black slave masters were diverse: some acquired slaves as soon as they had accumulated enough capital after their own freedom, others received slaves with their own freedom from their white masters, and others had been free for several generations...

The majority of urban black slaveowners were women. In 1820, free black women represented 68 percent of heads of households and 70 percent of slaveholding heads of colored households. The large percentage of black women slaveowners is explained by the combined effects of manumission (by their white masters for whom they fathered children), inheritance (from their white masters, relatives, and even husbands who had a higher mortality rate than women), and personal industry once they were free. ~Source

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Black Slaveowners: Free Black Slave Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860
NYC's African Slaveowners: A Social & Material Hist. (Studies in African American History and Culture)

K.

My are we uncomfortable with the topic of whites profiting from Blacks we have change the subject?

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Gee Blacks making money off of whites, just terrible... (my words)

I think this would be more a case of blacks making money off of blacks. But since you want to play the slavery card...

Free black slaveowners resided in states as north as New York and as far south as Florida, extending westward into Kentucky, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Missouri. According to the federal census of 1830, free blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves in Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia. The majority of black slaveowners lived in Louisiana and planted sugar cane. The majority of black masters had not been slaves themselves. Yet, the ranks of black slave masters were diverse: some acquired slaves as soon as they had accumulated enough capital after their own freedom, others received slaves with their own freedom from their white masters, and others had been free for several generations...

The majority of urban black slaveowners were women. In 1820, free black women represented 68 percent of heads of households and 70 percent of slaveholding heads of colored households. The large percentage of black women slaveowners is explained by the combined effects of manumission (by their white masters for whom they fathered children), inheritance (from their white masters, relatives, and even husbands who had a higher mortality rate than women), and personal industry once they were free. ~Source

References:

Black Slaveowners: Free Black Slave Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860
NYC's African Slaveowners: A Social & Material Hist. (Studies in African American History and Culture)

K.

My are we uncomfortable with the topic of whites profiting from Blacks we have change the subject?

He made a comment about Sharpton (a black man) charging the Martin family (also black). You came running in and made some stupid comment about blacks making money off of whites. Not sure why because his comment didn't involve any white people. He then tried to explain your error to you. Instead of admitting that you had made a mistake you are now trying to turn the shit back on him by claiming he is uncomfortable with the topic of whites profiting from blacks. Now I realize that it is hard to keep up with some of these threads, but maybe if you went back and reread them a few times you wouldn't look so clueless when you post.