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Fightdirecto -> Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 1:52:59 PM)

Ohio courts illegally jailing the poor?

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Several courts in Ohio are illegally jailing people because they are too poor to pay their debts and often deny defendants a hearing to determine if they're financially capable of paying what they owe, according to an investigation released Thursday by the Ohio chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union.

The ACLU likens the problem to modern-day debtors' prisons. Jailing people for debt pushes poor defendants farther into poverty and costs counties more than the actual debt because of the cost of arresting and incarcerating individuals, the report said.

"The use of debtors' prison is an outdated and destructive practice that has wreaked havoc upon the lives of those profiled in this report and thousands of others throughout Ohio," the report said.

Chief Justice Maureen O'Connor of the Ohio Supreme Court, responding to the ACLU's request to take action, promised to review the findings. O'Connor told the group in a letter Wednesday: "you do cite a matter that can and must receive further attention."

The report says courts in Huron, Cuyahoga, and Erie counties are among the worst offenders.

Among the report's findings:

* In the second half of last year, more than one in every five of all bookings in the Huron County jail - originating from Norwalk Municipal Court cases - involved a failure to pay fines.

* In suburban Cleveland, Parma Municipal Court jailed at least 45 defendants for failure to pay fines and costs between July 15 and August 31, 2012.

* During the same period, Sandusky Municipal Court jailed at least 75 people for similar charges.....

The report is a follow-up to a national 2010 report that focused on Georgia, Louisiana, Michigan, Ohio and Washington.

That report determined that many courts are violating a 1983 U.S. Supreme Court decision that courts had to hold a hearing to determine why people are unable to pay before sentencing them to incarceration.

"The report shows how, day after day, indigent defendants are imprisoned for failing to pay legal debts they can never hope to manage," according to the 2010 report, 'In For a Penny: The Rise of America's New Debtors' Prisons.'

"In many cases, poor men and women end up jailed or threatened with jail though they have no lawyer representing them," the report said.....

Courts are breaking the law by holding defendants in contempt of court for failing to pay fines without proper notice or allowing an attorney to be present, the report said. Courts are also issuing arrests warrants for people who fail to show up and pay their fines and jailing defendants who are too poor to pay, according to the report.

Court costs should be recovered through civil lawsuits, not jail time, the report said.

Oddly enough, March 18th was the 50th anniversary of Gideon vs. Wainwright:

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A unanimous high court issued its decision in Gideon v. Wainwright on March 18, 1963, declaring that states have an obligation to provide defendants with "the guiding hand of counsel" to ensure a fair trial for the accused.

However, Gideon v. Wainwright only applies to criminal cases. These "Debtors' Prison" cases are not, apparently, covered by Gideon v. Wainwright.

Some of the people that are ending up in Ohio's "Debtors' Prisons":

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Level -> RE: Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 1:59:06 PM)

When I hear "fines", I think criminal case, and yeah, if you don't pay that, and the attached court cost, you can go to jail.

If they're referring to civil judgments though?




LafayetteLady -> RE: Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 2:06:57 PM)

They are referring mostly to traffic violations, and other things that are heard in municipal courts.




Level -> RE: Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 2:26:29 PM)

But it says the "debtors prison" cases aren't criminal.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 2:30:36 PM)

Because most traffic violations are more quasi criminal, and don't hold punishments that are jail time. In short, they aren't considered "criminal." If someone does a criminal background check, traffic violations aren't going to be on the list.




Level -> RE: Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 2:32:57 PM)

Texas should be on their list then lol, we jail people daily for traffic tickets.




itsapixie -> RE: Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 3:04:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Level

When I hear "fines", I think criminal case, and yeah, if you don't pay that, and the attached court cost, you can go to jail.

If they're referring to civil judgments though?


^^My thoughts.



I'm also pondering if they "often deny defendants a hearing to determine if they're financially capable of paying what they owe" how do they know they're too poor to pay? And are they being jailed as in held before having a hearing or are they being given a sentence to carry out without a hearing?

"Several courts in Ohio are illegally jailing people" <- Is that fact or the opinion of the article's author?




Yachtie -> RE: Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 3:08:55 PM)

Shit! Fines? Parking tickets? Traffic violations?

All the bastards want IS THE MONEY[:'(]




thompsonx -> RE: Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 3:13:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Shit! Fines? Parking tickets? Traffic violations?

All the bastards want IS THE MONEY[:'(]


You have an almost uncanny grasp of the obvious[;)]




Level -> RE: Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 3:15:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: itsapixie


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ORIGINAL: Level

When I hear "fines", I think criminal case, and yeah, if you don't pay that, and the attached court cost, you can go to jail.

If they're referring to civil judgments though?


^^My thoughts.



I'm also pondering if they "often deny defendants a hearing to determine if they're financially capable of paying what they owe" how do they know they're too poor to pay? And are they being jailed as in held before having a hearing or are they being given a sentence to carry out without a hearing?

"Several courts in Ohio are illegally jailing people" <- Is that fact or the opinion of the article's author?


I'm going with "opinion" [:D]




Aylee -> RE: Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 3:23:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Ohio courts illegally jailing the poor?

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Several courts in Ohio are illegally jailing people because they are too poor to pay their debts and often deny defendants a hearing to determine if they're financially capable of paying what they owe, according to an investigation released Thursday by the Ohio chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union.

The ACLU likens the problem to modern-day debtors' prisons. Jailing people for debt pushes poor defendants farther into poverty and costs counties more than the actual debt because of the cost of arresting and incarcerating individuals, the report said.

"The use of debtors' prison is an outdated and destructive practice that has wreaked havoc upon the lives of those profiled in this report and thousands of others throughout Ohio," the report said.



Pardon me while I type something racist and look for factory jobs for my kids. Clearly we are revisiting the glories of the gilded age. [:D]




muhly22222 -> RE: Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 6:19:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

They are referring mostly to traffic violations, and other things that are heard in municipal courts.


Ohio lawyer here. It's not just traffic violations heard in muni courts, it's all misdemeanor cases, all the way up to M1s.

I don't know if this is happening or not, I assume it is (though I don't know of it in my county). I don't know how I feel about it, if the fine was assessed due to a criminal charge...there has to be some way for the state to receive satisfaction besides increasing the fines, of course. People can't just escape punishment because they're poor.

On the other hand, sending people to prison without counsel is seriously disturbing. It's also disturbing if the financial liability is incurred via some sort of civil case.




Powergamz1 -> RE: Have Debtors' Prisons returned to Ohio? (4/6/2013 6:35:42 PM)

Doing it the right way can take a long time, as the unpaid fines/costs become a debt, and the usual debt collection practices are followed, which are supposed to have some guarantee of due process in the civil setting.

If the Ohio courts are shortcutting from a speeding fine, straight to jail for not being able to pay the fine on the spot, without the required hearing and attorneys, they've crossed the line, plain and simple.

If defendants in Ohio were simply laughing at the court and claiming they couldn't afford to pay the fine when they could, then jail for contempt would be in order.

I'm guessing it started off as the latter, and may have gotten carried away.




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