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Real0ne -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 5:15:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

I've yet to see the data providing any indication that gun owners live a more "free" life than non-gun owners.





could it be because the liberty they protect apply to everyone?



Real0ne -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 5:24:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Here is another message: if these wackos succeed in allowing guns into the classroom, I will walk out of the first class where I see one of those things and sue the bejezuss out of that university. I'm very sure that I wouldn't be alone there, and quite sure that a few gun owners would be in that group.

I have a much better idea of what lies beneath that iceberg than you, count on it.






On what charge?

the schools acknowledgement of the peoples 2nd amendment right to bear arms?

Let us know the case number, that would be fun.



Real0ne -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 5:36:25 PM)

see what that constitution did was establish a no touch zone.

that constitution was intended to create a stable commercial system. The charter was created with the understanding that there are no touch zones.

the rights stated are just that no touch zones, in other words thou shalt not regulate as regulation is an infringement.

however the government did serveral steps worse they converted rights into privileges and then licensed the privileges with violates a whole basket of laws and is a trespass on the person and would also result in a trespass on the case.

a no touch zone means they do not even have the jurisdiction to make any laws what so ever with that regard and it does not matter if you are a citizen or an inhabitant or a legal alaien.





Nosathro -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 5:45:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Maybe they have the same people counting their crowds that counted at the Million Man March and Glen Beck's rally.


Well the estimates put the Million Man March somewhere around 837,000, the Park Service estimate was somewhere around 400,000. Glen Beck Restoring Honor rally only number around 87,000. Looking at the video I would say this rally is about 1,000.



Edwynn -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 5:46:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Here is another message: if these wackos succeed in allowing guns into the classroom, I will walk out of the first class where I see one of those things and sue the bejezuss out of that university. I'm very sure that I wouldn't be alone there, and quite sure that a few gun owners would be in that group.

I have a much better idea of what lies beneath that iceberg than you, count on it.






On what charge?

the schools acknowledgement of the peoples 2nd amendment right to bear arms?

Let us know the case number, that would be fun.




Failure to protect safety of students, faculty, and other staff.


Such requirement is stated in some fashion in every state education law.

But now you are arguing that the Federalist Federal government should override the sovereignty of the states? How unlike you.

Are you saying that the second amendment hyper-advocates have the right to shoot anybody that recognizes the other nine bill of rights and the rest of the Constitution and amendments, which state in numerous ways that the welfare of society is the whole point of the venture?

Just to make this unequivocally clear: neither the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights delegated to the gun owners the power to interpret nor impose the second amendment as right to despotism upon all the rest of it.

That's how it is, sorry.





Real0ne -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 6:22:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Here is another message: if these wackos succeed in allowing guns into the classroom, I will walk out of the first class where I see one of those things and sue the bejezuss out of that university. I'm very sure that I wouldn't be alone there, and quite sure that a few gun owners would be in that group.

I have a much better idea of what lies beneath that iceberg than you, count on it.






On what charge?

the schools acknowledgement of the peoples 2nd amendment right to bear arms?

Let us know the case number, that would be fun.




Failure to protect safety of students, faculty, and other staff.


Such requirement is stated in some fashion in every state education law.

But now you are arguing that the Federalist Federal government should override the sovereignty of the states? How unlike you.

Are you saying that the second amendment hyper-advocates have the right to shoot anybody that recognizes the other nine bill of rights and the rest of the Constitution and amendments, which state in numerous ways that the welfare of society is the whole point of the venture?

Just to make this unequivocally clear: the neither the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights delegated to the gun owners the power to interpret nor impose the second amendment as right to despotism upon all the rest of it.

That's how it is, sorry.






which is what has been and continues to be done right now as we speak by our fiat legislatures.

the do not recognise that the inhabitants within the boudaries of the states have the right to nothing less than a grand jury indictment for any crime.

violation of traffic tickets and municipal ordinances are crimes! But they have a nice rubber stamp extortion racket going there starting with the counties, cities, attorneys, judges and finally the states, so you will never see that change! Far too much money to be made.

So who is violating rights by cherry picking now?

How about the right to a jury for all civil cases? Nope wont see that one either!

So who is violating rights by cherry picking now?

How about the 10th amendment that when brought up in court makes any judge piss himself?

So who is violating rights by cherry picking now?

How about the 9th which absolutely restricts the sovereigns to the contract? again they will piss themselves.

So who is violating rights by cherry picking now?

Hell lets get back to the 7th where no US court has any authority to find fact and obligated to provide a fully empowered jury with full law, statute, what the fuck ever nullification powers to overule even the supreme court.

Oh but we have a court that is in collusion with as a part of government, a branch of government and of course there is no conflict in interest there now is there?

yeh you wanna discuss the corrupt system brought over from mama britain be my gues but you may not like what you hear.

Nope I am arguing that the law over rules. That "court" stare decis applies. (and I had a legislative attorney concede that round to me btw so no need to try and argue it with me.)

The second amendment makes no claim to allow anyone to simply start blasting away indiscriminately.

For the federal no, the 14th and our notorious holder of the english right of realm marshal single handedly did more to destroy liberty than anyone group combined in the creation of the police state.

The states and their courts denied these rights from people hence part of the reason the illegal 14th amendment. No one agreed to have their unalienable rights of the man under common law and demoted to inalienable rights of the citizen under roman civil law.

now for the 2nd, the only lawful way to prevent the bearing of arms is if the property is private and you have exclusive control over it. It is then your right to deny access if someone has is armed.

Liberty on the other hand is a term that applies to the public arena, hence no public areas can "lawfully" declare a no arms zone.

So the right to bear arms does not impose anything on you what so ever.

you remember the old saying right?

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it almost sounds like you are labeling the obligation of government to uphold their end of the contract, which is no infringement, as despotism. If the government does not uphold their end of the contract then who does? the people in britain did not and they have no right to own and bear guns any more as a result.

If you have a private right that has been violated you can sue. What private right do you believe is being trespassed upon with the liberty to bear arms in public?

and how is enforcement of the contract despotism.




Edwynn -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 6:42:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

I've yet to see the data providing any indication that gun owners live a more "free" life than non-gun owners.





could it be because the liberty they protect apply to everyone?



Here's a flash:

No gun owner EVER 'protected' me from a damn thing, least not any liberty obtained in my life. The Army, Navy, and Air Force kept the Japanese sufficiently away when it mattered. Not pistol or shotgun owners.

OTOH, a good friend of mine got his face half blown off by a gun owner, another had his guts blown out likewise. Both survived. I've survived two gunpoint confrontations, quite fortunately with out such result. And don't give me this crap about if either of them or I had been likewise equipped. The other guy pulled first, that's how it works.

Or are you stating that every citizen should just walk down the street with a fully automatic rifle with a thirty-round clip in it pointed outwards at all times, so that no one else get's the drop on us?

Not my idea of "liberty" at all.







Real0ne -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 7:27:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn

I've yet to see the data providing any indication that gun owners live a more "free" life than non-gun owners.





could it be because the liberty they protect apply to everyone?



Here's a flash:

No gun owner EVER 'protected' me from a damn thing, least not any liberty obtained in my life. The Army, Navy, and Air Force kept the Japanese sufficiently away when it mattered. Not pistol or shotgun owners.

OTOH, a good friend of mine got his face half blown off by a gun owner, another had his guts blown out likewise. Both survived. I've survived two gunpoint confrontations, quite fortunately with out such result. And don't give me this crap about if either of them or I had been likewise equipped. The other guy pulled first, that's how it works.

Or are you stating that every citizen should just walk down the street with a fully automatic rifle with a thirty-round clip in it pointed outwards at all times, so that no one else get's the drop on us?

Not my idea of "liberty" at all.








well there is always britain.... they like people who do not like guns.

so what? I have had altercations where guns were involved too, does not change my defense of the contract or your right to walk down the street with yout gun pointed in fear of someone getting the drop on you.

newsflash there are millions of people who carry concealed how many of them got the drop on you?

the right to self defense with the arms of the day is not a civil right it is a natural right of man and the highest in the pecking order of rights, same as life since when you fail to have your police protect me I am still able to do so.

So did you sue the police? They would laugh at you as they have no obligation in any state to protect anyone but the court and state.

sob stories do not move me, the government signed contracts and went in under the same footing as the original 13.

so you are all for organized gun bearing but not individual gun bearing.

Of course nothing is stopping the government from robbing you with this defunct monetary system isnt that enough?



Edwynn -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 9:30:19 PM)


By your estimation of things, then, the kids at Columbine HS or the kids and teachers at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut or the moviegoers at the theater in Denver have no 'contractual rights' or 'private rights' or whatever. Screw them; the second amendment trumps all else in The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution of The United States, the other nine amendments in The Bill of Rights, and any amendment thereafter.

Apparently, nothing preceding or succeeding the second amendment carries that 'speshul' establishment of any 'private right' or 'contractual right' pertaining, in your mind, to that and that alone.


Thanks for proving my point.




Edwynn -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 9:38:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

sob stories do not move me, ...



The people I know that got shot, either in their car, or delivering pizza to a front door, or in Vietnam, didn't sob. They cursed loudly. Let's get that sorted.

Stop with trying to project your incessant whining in this matter upon others.



You are the one crying. You are the one who started the OP with the flood of tears.

I'm just calling BS, and here's a 50 pound box of tissues for you.




Esinn -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 10:16:59 PM)

Homosexuals are the primary cause of spreading aids, there is no getting around it. Yet, I'd assume no one here would demand our government legislate homosexuality. I bet for the most part the polar opposite is true. Being gay is a right as is owning a gun. It is not a complex idea or a false statement.

Some people don't like being spanked. So, don't spank them.

If you do not like guns. That is fine. I won't make you buy one and do not demand the USG/WH legislate the guns of others. That is the difference between homosexuals, people into BDSM or with kinks and those without. Those "with" do not care if you are without. But, those without want to cry till they vomit; I kind of like that though - shhh.

The USG slaughters 500,000 civilians a year and calls it "CIVCAS". Cancer murdered 4,000 + people last week. 1-3% of lawful gun owners murdered less than 500 people in 2011 (Or whatever the exact statics is). Their are imminent threats to human life. Gun ownership by "approved" individuals is not nor has it ever been one. You are something like 50 times more likely to die of a legally prescribed med reaction than be shot by a gun, if you are not in a gang.

Let's stop aids and make all homosexuals register, take mental testing, be approved by a select board or wear bracelets. This could save hundreds of thousands. Actually, let's not - it is fucking deplorable.



Esinn -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 10:24:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

the second amendment trumps all else .



Correct, nothing else really needs to be said. So, you can stop here.

Without law nothing else matters. I am sorry life is not gumdrops and lollipops for you princess. Possibly you should buy an island and establish your own utopia. Call it Pumpkin Palace, I will even help with the marketing material. However, here in the USA, this is a republic. Your opinion, even if correct does not trump the rights of others. It turns me on when you cry though. So, I eagerly await your reply.




tazzygirl -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 10:29:54 PM)

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Homosexuals are the primary cause of spreading aids, there is no getting around it. Yet, I'd assume no one here would demand our government legislate homosexuality. I bet for the most part the polar opposite is true. Being gay is a right as is owning a gun. It is not a complex idea or a false statement.


Bullshit. Sexual intercourse is the primary cause. You arent suggesting that heterosexual people dont engage in intercourse, are you?



Edwynn -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 11:11:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Esinn


quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn

the second amendment trumps all else .



Correct, nothing else really needs to be said. So, you can stop here.

Without law nothing else matters. I am sorry life is not gumdrops and lollipops for you princess. Possibly you should buy an island and establish your own utopia. Call it Pumpkin Palace, I will even help with the marketing material. However, here in the USA, this is a republic. Your opinion, even if correct does not trump the rights of others. It turns me on when you cry though. So, I eagerly await your reply.





Do not mistake your need to wipe yourself on a regular basis as me 'crying' about anything.

A 50 lb. box of tissues to RealWhine, a 50 lb. box of diapers to you; we're all set here.




Esinn -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 11:21:09 PM)

LOL! I am just saying.... It is what it is. I am assuming Princess Palace is a flop even before it started. A right is a right. The world would be safer if we regulated the travel of old people or did not let teens drive - you know the list right? But, collective punishment for the majority because of the sins of the minority is always unjustifiable. While not as important it is also unconstitutional. If you don't like that I am still down for building your island where you as supreme ruler can do whatever you choose. Even if that means sacrificing the liberty of your slaves for their security based on your individual preferences.



Edwynn -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/7/2013 11:41:49 PM)

You can't comprehend any of my posts earlier, so not counting on that now, but ...

I'm not now and never have argued for complete gun restriction.

I think that the mandates and goals set out in The Constitution argue that society should be spared criminals and nutcases and wackos with guns.

With such high and sharply increasing of these mass murder episodes, what does a 'minority' mean to you here? Let's be statistically accurate, if you want to run with that. If only 49% (that's a minority) of school kids are massacred, there is no statistically relevant argument for keeping guns, any guns, out of the hands of criminals and wackos.

Leave it to you and the OP to refer to The Constitution or its implementation as 'punishment.'


There you go.




tweakabelle -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/8/2013 2:54:24 AM)

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RealOne
Now here is the interesting part vince, michigans attorney general joined them! said he stands by them and fuck the feds! how bout themz apples!


Dear oh dear! Is nothing sacred? I honestly never thought I'd see the day but here it is, in black and white and totally unprompted -

RO is crowing about support from the Attorney-General, who is as we all know, part of that dreaded GUBMINT that is oppressing everyone and taking all their rights away (as no less an authority than RO himself constantly reminds us).

RO is welcoming GUBMINT support!!!!

Now someone please tell me that it has been proved beyond doubt that the world is flat and that Bill Gates is a pauper! [8|]



Politesub53 -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/8/2013 3:19:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

seeing as that was the exact quote he used to respond to your post, LMFAO
you dont comprehend very well at all do you



He tends to shoot straight from the lip.

Most of his drivel is either racist or entertainment value.

I dont have the patience to explain "liberty" and "freedom" to him, it would only confuse the deluded sap.



tazzygirl -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/8/2013 7:49:17 AM)

You still havent learned how to post without insulting. Doesnt surprise me.

Since I quoted the CDC statistics, I obviously had the same sources as you. Do much for your attempts.

And you are still not reading. I asked you a direct question.




mnottertail -> RE: 1,000 Plus Armed Protestors Rally In Mi; Atty. Gen. Schuette (4/8/2013 8:10:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

RealOne
Now here is the interesting part vince, michigans attorney general joined them! said he stands by them and fuck the feds! how bout themz apples!


Dear oh dear! Is nothing sacred? I honestly never thought I'd see the day but here it is, in black and white and totally unprompted -

RO is crowing about support from the Attorney-General, who is as we all know, part of that dreaded GUBMINT that is oppressing everyone and taking all their rights away (as no less an authority than RO himself constantly reminds us).

RO is welcoming GUBMINT support!!!!

Now someone please tell me that it has been proved beyond doubt that the world is flat and that Bill Gates is a pauper! [8|]


Well what browns me off about this whole shitoree is I thought Real0 had got his posse of marshals together or his posse commitatus and served papers on these 50 attorney generals and had them run and hide out of office.....so, wha happuns?  We know hes there elegly cuz we was told so. 



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