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seekingreality -> RE: Confusing question - submissive fighting the urge to submit? (4/13/2013 10:33:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: instigated

I got an email and part of it said - How do you keep your sub nature from showing up during your daily interactions at school? Do you have to fight the urge to submit?

Completely confusing. Who am I supposed to be submitting to at school aside from the rules that I agreed to when I accepted enrollment?

I can't help but think of a submissive woman I met once (in person) who ran her own company that pulled in half a million annually in profit. How did she keep her submissive nature from showing? She... got shit done and carried on with business until she got home.




I only speak for myself, not the world.

I choose to submit to a particular woman.

But that doesn't mean I submit to the world. It doesn't mean that I consider my personality generally submissive. Just the opposite in fact.

And that's what a lot of people don't get. A lot of people who submit privately are balancing out the dominance in other aspects of their life.




lthrpup -> RE: Confusing question - submissive fighting the urge to submit? (4/14/2013 9:23:50 PM)

It is important to note that submissive in the context of this site and kink in general is something that refers to close relationships rather than how someone relates generally to the world. D/s relationships are usually, but not necessarily, romantic partnerships. It is within these intimate confines that your submissive nature can flourish. It is not really the right venue to be trying to apply submissiveness when you are at school, work or feeding chipmunks in the park.




JeffBC -> RE: Confusing question - submissive fighting the urge to submit? (4/15/2013 6:31:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lthrpup
It is important to note that submissive in the context of this site and kink in general is something that refers to close relationships rather than how someone relates generally to the world.

Really? Where is that written? So at this point you are saying that those who are "submissive by personality" and "dominant by personality" are... what???? doing it wrong? I find this post sort of astonishing. The one thing not allowed in BDSM is dominance and submission, eh?

By your reasoning people like Carol and I should not exist or should never interact with other humans. I disagree.




theshytype -> RE: Confusing question - submissive fighting the urge to submit? (4/15/2013 10:23:53 AM)

Yeah, I disagree as well. After reading that comment, I felt the same.

Yes, when dealing with this site I'm automatically in the state of mind regarding the submission in my personal relationship. 
However, the question posed from the OP was regarding submission at school and how that was possible.  

It may seem irrelevant to one person regarding the submission outside of an intimate relationship or the bedroom, but it could quite possibly be relevant to some.  After all, some people are here looking for a match and may want to know about that person...not just what happens inside the bedroom. 
Knowing how a person reacts to the outside world could be used to determine this, I would think. Additionally, in a negative way, be used by a predator to establish an "easy" target. 
If I were searching for someone here, I would most certainly want them to know more about my personality.  There are many personality types and I don't feel the term 'submissive' really paints the whole picture.  Some may have an overall submissive personality, some just in a relationship, some just in the bedroom, some just by force, and so on.  If someone were looking for a strong personality type that was only submissive to the person(s) they are intimate with, they'd be severely disappointed in me.   In fact, I've been in prior relationships where I was scolded for not being more dominant in the outside world.  I would never want to be subjected to that again.  So, I really don't see how it's totally irrelevant to this site. 




littlewonder -> RE: Confusing question - submissive fighting the urge to submit? (4/15/2013 5:34:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: theshytype

In fact, I've been in prior relationships where I was scolded for not being more dominant in the outside world.  I would never want to be subjected to that again.  So, I really don't see how it's totally irrelevant to this site. 



And here I thought I was the only one who has that problem. I have gotten that in the past from people and I still get it almost on a daily basis. I just shrug my shoulders and tell them that this is my personality. It's who I am. If I HAVE to be dominant in my life, I will but not because I want to but because I'm left with a negative consequence if I don't which would be worse than not being dominant in the situation.

I can remember a time many, many, years ago that if a sub or slave on sites such as this, said they were a submissive personality in their everyday lives, they were immediately shunned and told they were doormats and they don't belong here. It's nice to see that others are finally not as afraid to speak up and say they are this way in their daily lives outside of a relationship.






njlauren -> RE: Confusing question - submissive fighting the urge to submit? (4/15/2013 7:37:15 PM)

I think like everything in human emotions, there is a wide range. People like Jeff's Carol exist, in a wolf pack they would be the submissive followers, who often are quite important to keep the pack going strong (a pack full of potential alphas is a disaster area). Submissives range, and it is hard to tell where submission begins and ends. In my relationship, I am a submissive, yet I am no doormat, and my dominant loves the fact that I am a challenge to her, because my submission means a lot. In the outside world, I am not an alpha type (I was going to sale male, but given my 'interesting' gender background, hard to say, make it a "?"), but I also am not submissive, in the sense that in the work world or life I am not afraid to lead, I do, but I don't do it the alpha style, I tend to lead by example, and I also tend to give a lot of credence to the wishes and feelings of those who work for me..but I am no doormat, either, and am not afraid to fight when I need to, to protect my people (friend of mine claims I am an alpha female and a beta male, whatever the hell that means *lol*....). In my case, it plays out in interesting ways, but I don't submit easily, and generally it is to authority I respect, not in general.

I knew a woman, whom I absolutely adored and idolized, who was this gorgeous, classy woman, who had her own business, was very successful and hard driving, but also was a lifestyle sub/slave to a really cool master (I never asked them how they labelled it:). She could negotiate million dollar contracts with clients and suppliers, be tough as nails, yet totally submit to her M and dress the way he wanted her to, and basically do anything he asked of her, she was quite submissive...but not to everyone else, either *shrug*.

I think for some it is in their own personal relationships (my lady has told me if I am submissive to outside people and give in without reason, she would kick my ass, and she would, literally, with some nasty, heavy boots she has, though she also doesn't want me being an asshole to others, either), but others are as Jeff described "functioning doormats", able to navigate and protect themselves but not feeling totally comfortable doing that (my take on it, the words are mine, and if I am off, I own them:). To some people it is whom they are 24/7 with everyone, to others it is who they are with the people that matter in their lives, in context, and with others, maybe, maybe not.




JeffBC -> RE: Confusing question - submissive fighting the urge to submit? (4/16/2013 7:10:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder
I can remember a time many, many, years ago that if a sub or slave on sites such as this, said they were a submissive personality in their everyday lives, they were immediately shunned and told they were doormats and they don't belong here. It's nice to see that others are finally not as afraid to speak up and say they are this way in their daily lives outside of a relationship.

What I have noticed is that online there tends to be this strong bias towards "alpha subs" (dominant personalities who submit within their relationships for whatever reasons). I suspect it's due to the argumentative nature of online discussion boards but who knows really? I wonder how many Carol's lurk here? What I do know is that when I attend MAsT meetings I see a lot more socially submissive personalities than what I see here or fet.




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