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ResidentSadist -> -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 6:53:27 AM)
At beyond leather, I ran in to a lot of old friends and many were in their 50s and 60s and they looked GREAT! Many had a young partner or their poly included a young partner. And I see that a lot. An older experienced average D type is looked upon as a sexual icon and can easily get involved with young s types. My girl is in her late 40s, but when I saw her ass swaying as she walked across the kitchen naked yesterday, my hormones raced and I felt just like I did as young man. She is hot and age has nothing to do with it. She made me want to jump her, tie her up, torture her and violate her in the most delicious ways. I wonder if it is the same for many other leather folk, their passion transcends anything to do with age and can easily be attracted to older partners? I have been around the block (lifestyle since 1971) and I noticed that for the past 40 years, no matter where I go, there is a stereotypical reaction to our older leather folk that doesn’t seem true in the vanilla world. We don’t just respect our older leather folk, we see them as sexual icons seeking them as partners and playmates. It seems to me that spry young vanilla’s don’t go chasing after old vanilla folk for brief sexual encounters, long term relationships, mentoring, simple casual play nor do they look upon older men and women as sexual icons. Sure there are vanilla exceptions to the rule but your average older leather Dom/me carries the role of sexual icon, the average vanilla doesn't. Is it our focus on kinks and passion that overcomes any age differences? Are leather folk so sexually oriented and charged up that they stay hotties longer than vanillas? Does the open minded leather community break normal age barriers for the vanilla world? Is it the leather . . . or are we just that good looking? How old before we become too old for the role of leather sexual icons?

DarkSteven -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 7:21:57 AM)
I disagree about the vanillas. Hugh Hefner needs dozens of cute bunnies to keep his legend. Strom Thurmond was envied by colleagues. It's not as common, but it happens. With genders flipped, there's even a name for it - cougars. (MILF is similar.) My take is that it's more common in the kink world because one huge advantage the young men have - sexual stamina - doesn't mean as much when large amounts of kink are involved. It's not so much the stiff cock as much as bondage, flogging, etc., skills. And we oldsters tend to be more experienced at the kink stuff, which is essentially foreplay on steroids.

LillyoftheVally -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 7:34:30 AM)
I think that there are many people who see experience as an attractive quality as is power and confidence which are more common in older than younger people. I have no clue about the leather community but in my life I have both been attracted to older people and have seen my peers do the same. Of course it is not so much a pilgrimage to that older person and not all are held on a pedstal but I do think that its common across social groups.

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 7:36:45 AM)
^ experience = power Nice observation.

LadyPact -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 7:57:04 AM)
RS, I've kind of got a feeling that you and I will be batting this one around for the most part. As much as I regret saying it, there aren't as many leather folks around the boards these days and ones that are regular posters here can be counted on one hand. We're very under represented in the land of CM. That aside, let's discuss your topic. I certainly don't consider Myself a 'sexual icon' in any way, but I absolutely see what you are driving at. It may rely on one of the tenants that makes leather different than your average kinky person and that is we are so focused on things like hierarchy and seniority. How long a person's been doing this since their first rodeo actually matters in our community and the longer that's been, the closer to the head of the table you are. It's totally a status thing and yes, that is attractive to some younger people. With that seniority, hopefully, comes experience and wisdom. My view is that we tend to pick up a lot of really cool tricks along the way when it comes to S/m. We also tend to acquire a lot of the tools of the trade over the years. Those two factors alone make us sought out as play partners. On top of that, reputation alone carries a lot of weight. I'm only in My mid-forties and I can't tell you how many times I've been introduced to someone who has 'heard' of Me before they ever met Me. I guess they hear good things because I always get a good reception. [;)] Mentoring, I think, is almost a given as to why we are sought out. You've been around longer than I have so I have no doubt that you've seen the dramatic advances in educational opportunities that have sprung from the leather community. If you look at the number of cons available now even compared to ten years ago, it's staggering when you consider what's really out there. We're still so used to the concept of 'if you don't support your leather community, you won't have a leather community to support' that you still see the seniors sitting in those seats and continuing to support leather education. Some of that knowledge tends to rub off along the way and I think people notice. I mean no offense to the average kinkster, but yeah, it's the leather. People know when you've got leather running through your veins.

theshytype -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 10:59:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally I think that there are many people who see experience as an attractive quality as is power and confidence which are more common in older than younger people. I have no clue about the leather community but in my life I have both been attracted to older people and have seen my peers do the same. Of course it is not so much a pilgrimage to that older person and not all are held on a pedstal but I do think that its common across social groups. I agree with this. It's not age so much that I find attractive. It's most certainly confidence, experience, and intelligence that supersedes any age requirement for me.

mnottertail -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 11:02:58 AM)
There is nothing like the smell of old leather, old money, or old pussy. You can quote me.

ClassAct2006 -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 11:50:37 AM)
If you are rich and powerful you tend to have a lot of lovers or potential for that whatever your gender and age. Wealthy or famous older women tend to marry younger men too. I think sexuality for some of us is inherent and how sexual we are. Some people whether gay, straight, dom, sub or whatever are more into sex than many others and some people seem to give it up as they get older and indeed have more problems doing it, but not all. In general and life terms if you marry someone much older they die so you are setting yourself up for heart break or 10 years as their dementia carer so I think very big age gaps if you are after a long relationship rather than a bit of sex probably are not too wise.

NuevaVida -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 12:07:01 PM)
You know how they've been saying "40 is the new 30" and all that jazz? I think it's just an across the board thing. I also think we didn't notice the passion of our "elders" when we were young because it just didn't hit our radar. I don't think it's a "Leather" thing. Heck, years ago I was in my ex mother-in-law's Bunco group, hanging out with a bunch of ladies in their 60s and 70s and let me tell ya, get a little wine in them chickadees and they're gabbing about who's hot and who's not and what they wanna do with them just like anybody else. I know so many non-kinky people in their 50s and 60s who are totally passionate with each other. They're bodies may slow down in areas, or prevent certain activities, but they're just as hot for each other as they were 20-30 years ago. I really think it's an "I'm totally into you" thing, rather than kinky vs. not, or age vs. youth.

Spiritedsub2 -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 12:46:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail There is nothing like the smell of old leather, old money, or old pussy. Does the "Sunny Quote of the Week" still exist? If it does, well...

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 2:34:50 PM)
I will say that I have noticed the respect for age, and experience in my limited reading, and observation of leather folk. I don't know if it's as much a leather lifestyle fenomenon, as the confidence that comes with knowing yourself, and doing what you do well. I know I have become more relaxed as I've aged, don't criticize my body, and am confident in those things I know I do well. As a result, I've never attracted soooooo many younger men as I do now. My comfort with it is still evolving, but it is very much present in my life. As for naming it, when it comes to older women/younger men relationships, I find it slightly on the offensive side. Why name it when it's the woman in position of real/perceived power, and not men? M

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 2:44:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact .........I certainly don't consider Myself a 'sexual icon' in any way, but I absolutely see what you are driving at. It may rely on one of the tenants that makes leather different than your average kinky person and that is we are so focused on things like hierarchy and seniority. How long a person's been doing this since their first rodeo actually matters in our community and the longer that's been, the closer to the head of the table you are. It's totally a status thing and yes, that is attractive to some younger people. With that seniority, hopefully, comes experience and wisdom. My view is that we tend to pick up a lot of really cool tricks along the way when it comes to S/m. We also tend to acquire a lot of the tools of the trade over the years. Those two factors alone make us sought out as play partners. On top of that, reputation alone carries a lot of weight. I'm only in My mid-forties and I can't tell you how many times I've been introduced to someone who has 'heard' of Me before they ever met Me. I guess they hear good things because I always get a good reception. [;)] Mentoring, I think, is almost a given as to why we are sought out. You've been around longer than I have so I have no doubt that you've seen the dramatic advances in educational opportunities that have sprung from the leather community. If you look at the number of cons available now even compared to ten years ago, it's staggering when you consider what's really out there. We're still so used to the concept of 'if you don't support your leather community, you won't have a leather community to support' that you still see the seniors sitting in those seats and continuing to support leather education. Some of that knowledge tends to rub off along the way and I think people notice. I mean no offense to the average kinkster, but yeah, it's the leather. People know when you've got leather running through your veins. Dear sexy and iconic Lady Pact, I am pretty sure you have a fan club that thinks you are a sexual icon. If not, I'll start one you hotty! I agree, experiences sits you closer to the head of the table as long as you display experience and wisdom, aren't a maniac or get yourself outcast. And that is different than your average kinky or swinger social group that is more focused on getting with the "fresh meat" new comers. take a room full of leather folk, shove a new Dom/me in the mix and they are not sought after like the older ones with rep. The leather folk are focused on things like hierarchy and seniority. How true, our acquired collections do build up over the years, our gear, our rep and our circle of friends within the community. From my beginnings over 40 years ago, I watched the spirit of the leather community focus on sharing and educating each other to create a better quality of life for us as individuals and as a community. In that same spirit, new societies and events are created in this growing community. Whether it is fresh perspectives brought by TNG, social fads making leather popular and bringing an influx of newbees or books and movies changing social outlooks, none have changed the core spirit of the leather community. I guess as long as experience and wisdom equal power in a society that supports its founders, its seniors and values leather education, those smart sexy old fuckers will always remain popular.

mnottertail -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 2:55:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact .........I certainly don't consider Myself a 'sexual icon' in any way Well, I am still trying to be, remember when we were talking about tying a penis into balloon animals? I can already make a peecock, and I haven't really been practicing.

njlauren -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 4:51:36 PM)
My experience across the whole kink/BD/SM community is that age doesn't seem to matter as much (I am saying this, because Leather, as Ms. Pact pointed out to me in another post, is its own world that is part of the broader community:), and as others pointed out I was amazed how many older folks I saw at play parties and meetings, who often had younger subs. My take on it, FWIW, is that most of the people into BD/SM seem a little less judgmental about physical characteristics then the vanilla world, where things like being overweight or older or whatever just isn't as important in many cases. Obviously, there are those who will play only with beautiful people and so forth, there I am sure people who are as picky as the jerk in a pickup bar on Friday night, but my general experience is that BD/SM people tend to take people as they are. I had a great role model in my therapist at the time, whom I have heard from friends who saw her play that she was one hell of a fierce domme, and when I knew her she was in her late 50's through her late 60's, and she would come into my appointments with her looking bedraggled, and I would tell her she looked like something the cat dragged in and she would laugh and say she had been with some sweet young thing the night before....I occasionally saw some of the women she was dating, put it this way, guys in their 20's tongues would be dragging if they saw them:).

LadyPact -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/13/2013 7:46:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist Dear sexy and iconic Lady Pact, I am pretty sure you have a fan club that thinks you are a sexual icon. If not, I'll start one you hotty! I agree, experiences sits you closer to the head of the table as long as you display experience and wisdom, aren't a maniac or get yourself outcast. And that is different than your average kinky or swinger social group that is more focused on getting with the "fresh meat" new comers. take a room full of leather folk, shove a new Dom/me in the mix and they are not sought after like the older ones with rep. The leather folk are focused on things like hierarchy and seniority. How true, our acquired collections do build up over the years, our gear, our rep and our circle of friends within the community. From my beginnings over 40 years ago, I watched the spirit of the leather community focus on sharing and educating each other to create a better quality of life for us as individuals and as a community. In that same spirit, new societies and events are created in this growing community. Whether it is fresh perspectives brought by TNG, social fads making leather popular and bringing an influx of newbees or books and movies changing social outlooks, none have changed the core spirit of the leather community. I guess as long as experience and wisdom equal power in a society that supports its founders, its seniors and values leather education, those smart sexy old fuckers will always remain popular. In your case, RS, I'm also quite certain it has to do with that silver tongue of yours. [;)] Another through crossed My mind. You've got to admit, leather folks don't act all that old when there is a party to be had. Heck, look at the schedule that we keep during a con? Up at daybreak to shower, dress, etc before breakfast or first presentation. A full schedule all day until dinner break. We eat, freshen up, polish our leather and shine our boots before the dungeon that night. Then we play and socialize until 3:00 AM to do it all again for three or four days. Heck, I've been up for the better part of two days making food non stop for tonight's party. I'll be up until at least two and up at the crack of dawn making breakfast for the overnighters. Yeah, I'll be damn tired come tomorrow but for now, the candle is burning at both ends. See ya tomorrow afternoon, folks.

UnholyBear -> RE: -=Old Leather . . . are lust and passion ageless?=- (4/14/2013 9:41:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist I have been around the block (lifestyle since 1971) and I noticed that for the past 40 years, no matter where I go, there is a stereotypical reaction to our older leather folk that doesn’t seem true in the vanilla world. We don’t just respect our older leather folk, we see them as sexual icons seeking them as partners and playmates. It seems to me that spry young vanilla’s don’t go chasing after old vanilla folk for brief sexual encounters, long term relationships, mentoring, simple casual play nor do they look upon older men and women as sexual icons. Sure there are vanilla exceptions to the rule but your average older leather Dom/me carries the role of sexual icon, the average vanilla doesn't. Is it our focus on kinks and passion that overcomes any age differences? Are leather folk so sexually oriented and charged up that they stay hotties longer than vanillas? Does the open minded leather community break normal age barriers for the vanilla world? Is it the leather . . . or are we just that good looking? How old before we become too old for the role of leather sexual icons? As I see it, the answer seems to be a resounding yes and this seems to be especially true in the gay leather community. At least up in this part of the country, it is very common to see a younger boys who are either in service to an older leather man or are found in leather/denim bars cruising for the stereotypical older leatherman. Many if not most do highly sexualize the image of an older male in leather, all you do is have to see how many follow Lance Hughes around the boards and you'll see how he is quite a popular person. I can't speak for the straight leather community but I can say that in the gay leather community and even in the bear community, a large percentage are sexually driven to seek out new pleasures and pleasures in various forms. All one needs to do is attend a Bear Run which is often full of bears and leather folk and other than eating and relaxing, we are often found engaged in kinky play sessions which are highly sexual in nature. "Is it the leather . . . or are we just that good looking?" I'd have to say it is a combo of both. As I see it, leather is simply sensual and very very erotic then couple that with a good looking man/woman and it's a killer combination! In all honesty....I don't think a person can be too old to be considered a sexual leather icon.

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