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Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/14/2013 1:19:30 PM   
MrRodgers


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Status: offline 		Every thought about life that goes on after your last OP, the last blog...the last email ?

Who gets the stereo? Please. Who gets the e-mail passwords? Who gets the satisfaction of knowing what you really thought?

Who gets access to so much of what may be a blogger's inner thoughts or that which was written but not disseminated ?

Made out your digital will yet ? Google offers one.

I've been somewhat a student of sociology and now take a interest in particular as it relates to our digital lives. First revealed was a set of Internet lexicons privy to each interest that applies no less here in what I call the kinkosphere, than anywhere. Our own set of words, acronyms and alphabet soup to go along with others, resulting. But what more could we learn from having even close to your entire digital history ?

Now comes what happens to that contribution you made to the Internet (digital) society as it were...after you are gone ? What will be the most important bit and..the least ? Not a big deal you say ? You won't care ? Well you are going to be pushed by media and who knows, even family and friends to think about it.

What do you do with the detritus of a digital life? The biographers of the future are in for a treat. The autobiographers will despond. No license is necessary. You can tell exactly what everyone said, where they were standing, what they were reading. Between Google and Facebook, you can actually flash most of your life before your eyes.

I am good on this because I have such an inestimably small presence in the digital world. But even then, how much larger does that world become when I am gone ? If I maintain my secrecy beyond death and only a very trusted few would have anything beyond what the world does, I am not concerned and likely wouldn't give a fuck anyway.

How about you ? What do you think ? Does it matter after you are gone ?
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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/14/2013 1:27:51 PM   
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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/14/2013 1:57:29 PM   
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For me? No. Don't really care. If someone finds something, so what. I doubt they'd be surprised. My life is an open book. If they don't already know something about me then it probably doesn't exist.


Well I've always felt that it should almost completely be up to a secure person as whether or not they ever should truly feel embarrassed.

After I am gone, I wonder if I should even care since I won't be here to suffer the ignominy.

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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/14/2013 2:05:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who is really going to care? Anyone who knows me well, already knows I love arguing politics. Any lives I touch, are going to be touched while I'm here.

Ever catch the Halloween episode of The Simpson's, where Comic Book Guy sees the missile coming at him, and says, "I've wasted my life?" This is the sort of thing I'd expect him to muse on.

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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/14/2013 2:57:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Who is really going to care? Anyone who knows me well, already knows I love arguing politics. Any lives I touch, are going to be touched while I'm here.

Ever catch the Halloween episode of The Simpson's, where Comic Book Guy sees the missile coming at him, and says, "I've wasted my life?" This is the sort of thing I'd expect him to muse on.

I most enjoy the sax his daughter plays and about all I know or sustains in me, any interest in the Simpsons. However, we do live by our choices and presumably we feel those choices more often than not...pleased us. So just what was wasted ?

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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/14/2013 3:14:58 PM   
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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/14/2013 3:47:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

For some reason, I thought this was going to reference something like uploading your conscience (of sorts) as an avatar, a la Zoe from Caprica. Since the OP was meaning things like emails and the like, I've kept my log-in info and access permissions on a disc I keep with my will, clearly marked "Important Information"

Well now that you mention it, what will happen in the future could be almost a digital mind meld. Maybe telepathically we'll dump everything on to a disc after we tether everything else to our phone, or digital hand. We are already mentally manipulating the digital world.

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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/14/2013 4:16:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

For some reason, I thought this was going to reference something like uploading your conscience (of sorts) as an avatar



That was my thinking on clicking in to begin with.

I encountered one such online presence as the topic really is about a little while back. In a wild hair moment, I ran a facebook search for an old roomate from the service, found his page, scrolled through where life had taken him (5 girls), and then Googled enough to find out the stupid asshole had fallen asleep at the wheel of a big truck, and killed himself a couple years ago.

Is that immortality?

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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/15/2013 5:30:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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For some reason, I thought this was going to reference something like uploading your conscience (of sorts) as an avatar



That was my thinking on clicking in to begin with.

I encountered one such online presence as the topic really is about a little while back. In a wild hair moment, I ran a facebook search for an old roomate from the service, found his page, scrolled through where life had taken him (5 girls), and then Googled enough to find out the stupid asshole had fallen asleep at the wheel of a big truck, and killed himself a couple years ago.

Is that immortality?

...he digitally lives on in cyberspace. I am thinking if not for that, you wouldn't have discovered this much.

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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/15/2013 5:44:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

For some reason, I thought this was going to reference something like uploading your conscience (of sorts) as an avatar, a la Zoe from Caprica. Since the OP was meaning things like emails and the like, I've kept my log-in info and access permissions on a disc I keep with my will, clearly marked "Important Information"

Well now that you mention it, what will happen in the future could be almost a digital mind meld. Maybe telepathically we'll dump everything on to a disc after we tether everything else to our phone, or digital hand. We are already mentally manipulating the digital world.

Oh come off it: the Extropian idiots have been blathering about that one almost as long as they've been banging on about getting their corpses defrosted in a couple of centuries and being resurrected in perfect immortal bodies. That one's even less likely, frankly.

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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/15/2013 6:06:50 AM   
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...he digitally lives on in cyberspace. I am thinking if not for that, you wouldn't have discovered this much.



That's not living. He just has an electronic tombstone.

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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/15/2013 6:42:53 AM   
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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/15/2013 8:26:10 AM   
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Every thought about life that goes on after your last OP, the last blog...the last email ?

Who gets the stereo? Please. Who gets the e-mail passwords? Who gets the satisfaction of knowing what you really thought?

Who gets access to so much of what may be a blogger's inner thoughts or that which was written but not disseminated ?

"get the satisfaction"? i reckon a pertinent answer is whos gonna even care enough to look?

digital life? dude 99% is just jibber jabber in 1s and 0s. its mounting piles of info-thrash like tha middens of yore. maybe samples will be taken here & there but i reckon most will be wiped or corrupted in time. information isnt immortal unless work is put inta preserving it.

i reckon tha only thing most folks would be worried bout is their moody porno stash(es).

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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/15/2013 9:35:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

For some reason, I thought this was going to reference something like uploading your conscience (of sorts) as an avatar, a la Zoe from Caprica. Since the OP was meaning things like emails and the like, I've kept my log-in info and access permissions on a disc I keep with my will, clearly marked "Important Information"

Well now that you mention it, what will happen in the future could be almost a digital mind meld. Maybe telepathically we'll dump everything on to a disc after we tether everything else to our phone, or digital hand. We are already mentally manipulating the digital world.


That's what I was thinking. In Caprica, they programmed these highly realistic avatars that almost perfectly mimicked their creators. Granted, it was a TV show, but it hints at what is possible. It could be a meld of say, Second Life, with a bot, and linked to an AI program. You could start small, by programming it with your own responses to questions, then expand it to include seeking out things you like, sites you go to, etc, etc. At a certain point, it could "take on a life of it's own", in a sense. It wouldn't be "you", but as close a copy of your personality as is possible with the limits of technology.

It could also serve as a base for evolving technology and programming to work into. Weird, I know, but it's a concept that's been thought of already. I wish I had some links to it, but I'm sure a search would turn up thinking along these lines.

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RE: Digital im mortality, you ready ? - 4/15/2013 3:35:51 PM   
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In Caprica, they programmed these highly realistic avatars that almost perfectly mimicked their creators. Granted, it was a TV show, but it hints at what is possible.

Try googling "Bruce Sterling", "Warren Ellis", "Greg Bear" and "daft '90s cyberpunk cliches" for a start...

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