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DarkSteven -> In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/17/2013 5:48:58 PM)

maybe trespassing will work?

The National Republican Congressional Committee, to their credit, has refused to support him.

The wacko was ordered by his ex's lawyer not to trespass two years ago, and he's still doing it.




DesideriScuri -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/17/2013 5:57:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
maybe trespassing will work?
The National Republican Congressional Committee, to their credit, has refused to support him.
The wacko was ordered by his ex's lawyer not to trespass two years ago, and he's still doing it.


He broke the divorce order and should get whatever the proper punishment is.

That being said, I feel for the guy. I understand wanting to watch the Super Bowl with the kids. I get it. There should be some way of proving he attempted to contact her. While it's not right, it may lessen the punishment as he would have been attempting to comply.

So, to recap, I understand why he did it, but that doesn't make it wrong, and he should get whatever justice is in the situation.




DarkSteven -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/17/2013 6:06:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I understand wanting to watch the Super Bowl with the kids.


Call the kid up, and ask if he can pick him up. Watch the SB at his place, not his ex's.

Sanford's a nut. Plus, there's a possibility that the story's not true, but the best his lawyer could come up with.




DesideriScuri -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/17/2013 6:35:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I understand wanting to watch the Super Bowl with the kids.

Call the kid up, and ask if he can pick him up. Watch the SB at his place, not his ex's.
Sanford's a nut. Plus, there's a possibility that the story's not true, but the best his lawyer could come up with.


The kid going with his Dad may have required Mom's approval, too. If that's the case, then there would be kidnapping charges instead of trespassing.

Still not right, though.




JeffBC -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/17/2013 6:42:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
The National Republican Congressional Committee, to their credit, has refused to support him.

Good. Because honestly I'm pretty sick and tired of our "leaders" being above the law.




LizDeluxe -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/17/2013 7:18:20 PM)

"Jenny Sanford later confirmed the incident, which occurred on Feb. 3, three weeks after Mark Sanford announced his House campaign. She told CNN that "this is a private matter" and offered no further comment."

If this is a private matter then why are we reading about it on CNN?





tj444 -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/17/2013 7:36:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
maybe trespassing will work?
The National Republican Congressional Committee, to their credit, has refused to support him.
The wacko was ordered by his ex's lawyer not to trespass two years ago, and he's still doing it.


He broke the divorce order and should get whatever the proper punishment is.

That being said, I feel for the guy. I understand wanting to watch the Super Bowl with the kids. I get it. There should be some way of proving he attempted to contact her. While it's not right, it may lessen the punishment as he would have been attempting to comply.

So, to recap, I understand why he did it, but that doesn't make it wrong, and he should get whatever justice is in the situation.


Well.. I expect that Super Bowl fans know when the Super Bowl is and there was more than enought time to arrange a proper visit or pick-up of the kid.. imo he found out she was out of town and decided to ignore the divorce agreement to not visit without permission.. thats arrogant and he still doesnt get it.. he also apparently thinks its ok to break his written legal agreements.. hmmmm.. and he wants to go back into politics and create laws, huh??? [8|]

I dont feel for the guy at all.. I feel for the wife that ends up being surprised by him trespassing and understand why she doesnt want to see/run into the jerk that cheated on her and broke their marriage vows, hurt their kids and broke their family apart.. its like finding a sneeky skunk has trespassed and then sprays you..

and this is one in a series of these incidents over several years time.. what does she need to do, get a restraining order against him? its not his home, he has no business coming in, putting his feet up on the furniture and eat the popcorn.. (or whatever it is that Super Bowlers eat)..




erieangel -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/17/2013 7:53:00 PM)

Sanford wasn't trespassing. His kid lives there. Therefore, Sanford should be allowed to come and go as he pleases.

If the 1st district of SC votes for this scumbag, I pity them.





tj444 -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/17/2013 7:53:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

"Jenny Sanford later confirmed the incident, which occurred on Feb. 3, three weeks after Mark Sanford announced his House campaign. She told CNN that "this is a private matter" and offered no further comment."

If this is a private matter then why are we reading about it on CNN?

her lawyer filed with the family court to have him held in contempt so the media has latched onto the story..

But a closer examination of the court documents, obtained by CNN on Wednesday, suggests that Mark Sanford has repeatedly entered Jenny Sanford's beachfront home on Sullivan's Island without permission.
Mark Sanford has "entered into a pattern of entering onto Plaintiff's property, both at her former and current residences, without her permission and against her wishes," according to a complaint filed in Charleston County family court on March 21. It asks that Mark Sanford be held in contempt of court.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/17/first-on-cnn-sanford-warned-about-trespassing-in-2011/




muhly22222 -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/17/2013 9:31:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
The National Republican Congressional Committee, to their credit, has refused to support him.

Good. Because honestly I'm pretty sick and tired of our "leaders" being above the law.


I couldn't agree with you more. And if the NRCC had supported him, I may well have turned in that Republican card...out of sheer embarrassment.

Sanford is the worst kind of politician out there. He got into the game for his own self-enrichment, and he thinks that he creates rules for lesser mortals to obey. I can't believe he had the gall to run for an open House seat after his adultery scandal, but at least this should put an end to any political viability he might have had left.




hlen5 -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/18/2013 1:38:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel

Sanford wasn't trespassing. His kid lives there. Therefore, Sanford should be allowed to come and go as he pleases.

If the 1st district of SC votes for this scumbag, I pity them.




Whose name is on the deed or loan of that house? If his name isn't on it, it's not his to enter as he pleases.

ETA: It IS curious that sealed documents about their arrangements made it to the press (If his word is to be believed).




LafayetteLady -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/18/2013 1:43:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: hlen5

quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel

Sanford wasn't trespassing. His kid lives there. Therefore, Sanford should be allowed to come and go as he pleases.

If the 1st district of SC votes for this scumbag, I pity them.




Whose name is on the deed or loan of that house? If his name isn't on it, it's not his to enter as he pleases.

ETA: It IS curious that sealed documents about their arrangements made it to the press (If his word is to be believed).



Often in a divorce, both parties names will remain on the deed to the home(s), however, that does not have anything to do with his right to access.

His ex wife also mentioned that the documents were sealed, and typically matters in family court are not public documents.




hlen5 -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/18/2013 1:47:57 AM)

In the article Sanford mentioned facts in the press were originally sealed in the divorce documents. If that's the case and he didn't blab, that points to the ex. That was the only point I was making.




epiphiny43 -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/18/2013 2:34:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel

Sanford wasn't trespassing. His kid lives there. Therefore, Sanford should be allowed to come and go as he pleases.

If the 1st district of SC votes for this scumbag, I pity them.



Read the link yet? What part of neither party to the divorce being permitted to enter the domicile of the other without permission confuses you?
You are familiar with the concept of custody arrangements and visitation rights and limitations? You get whatever the Court grants, period. It's amazing how few property rights you get at others homes from being a sperm donor.
That she encountered him leaving by a back door using a cell phone as a flashlight (Another story on a news service) don't show much proper intent to respect her wishes?
He said he tried unsuccessfully to call her and OK the visit. "No contact" rarely equals express permission and may not have been what the Court had in mind?




tj444 -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/18/2013 9:18:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hlen5

In the article Sanford mentioned facts in the press were originally sealed in the divorce documents. If that's the case and he didn't blab, that points to the ex. That was the only point I was making.

well.. maybe they were originally.. it seems you need to state something pertinent when you file docs to get a contempt order.. and imo, CNN might also be assuming certain things (as the media tends to do nowadays) based on the wording in the filed docs.. who knows, maybe they cornered one of the kids and it was slipped that way?.. or asked friends or other family, neighbors (who like to gossip, etc)?.. or maybe they dug thru her and/or his garbage out on the curb?.. the media have turned into vultures.. [X(]




Owner59 -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/18/2013 11:49:05 AM)

Ouch!



[:D]




merge9 -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/18/2013 12:12:44 PM)

In case anyone needed a refresher on the "adultery" part of the thread title:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford#Disappearance_and_extramarital_affair

From June 18 until June 24, 2009, the whereabouts of Sanford were unknown to the public, as well as to his wife and the State Law Enforcement Division, which provides security for him, garnering nationwide news coverage. The absence of Governor Sanford was first reported by Jim Davenport of the Associated Press.[40][41] Lieutenant Governor André Bauer announced that he could not "take lightly that his staff has not had communication with him for more than four days, and that no one, including his own family, knows his whereabouts."[42]

Before his disappearance, Sanford told his staff that he would be hiking on the Appalachian Trail and while he was gone he did not answer 15 cell phone calls from his chief of staff Scott English; he also failed to call his family on Father's Day.[43]

Reporter Gina Smith intercepted Sanford arriving at Atlanta's airport on a flight from Argentina. Several hours later, after learning that incriminating evidence was being swiftly mobilized against him by the media, Sanford held a news conference, during which he admitted that he had been unfaithful to his wife.[44][45]

In emotional interviews with the Associated Press over two days, Sanford said he would die "knowing that I had met my soul mate."[46] Sanford also said that he "crossed the lines" with a handful of other women during 20 years of marriage, but not as far as he did with his mistress. "There were a handful of instances wherein I crossed the lines I shouldn't have crossed as a married man, but never crossed the ultimate line," he said.[46]

...

Reimbursement for his private use of public funds

After his affair was revealed in June 2009, Sanford first claimed, "There's been a lot of speculation and innuendo on whether or not public moneys were used to advance my admitted unfaithfulness. To be very clear: no public money was ever used in connection with this."[60] After a reporter used the Freedom of Information Act to seek records of what public funds were used to pay for Sanford's trip to Argentina,[61] Sanford eventually chose to reimburse taxpayers for expenses he had incurred one year earlier with his mistress in Argentina.[62] He said, "I made a mistake while I was there in meeting with the woman who I was unfaithful to my wife with. That has raised some very legitimate concerns and questions, and as such I am going to reimburse the state for the full cost of the Argentina leg of this trip.” On August 9, 2009, the AP reported that Sanford may have violated state law by other abusive use of state planes, including to fly to get a haircut.[63]




slvemike4u -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/18/2013 5:53:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I understand wanting to watch the Super Bowl with the kids.

Call the kid up, and ask if he can pick him up. Watch the SB at his place, not his ex's.
Sanford's a nut. Plus, there's a possibility that the story's not true, but the best his lawyer could come up with.


The kid going with his Dad may have required Mom's approval, too. If that's the case, then there would be kidnapping charges instead of trespassing.

Still not right, though.


Well hell DS it almost sounds as if you don't believe Mr.Sanford was represented at these divorce proceedings by competent counsel.
I've gone thru a divorce ,it's not an enjoyable experience,but it is the venue in which one hammers out the details of the dissolution of a marriage....including custodial custody and visitation rights.
One doesn't get to violate the terms of that divorce later and simply couch it as"wanting to watch a game with my son"....Super Bowl or not.




Powergamz1 -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/18/2013 6:15:40 PM)

Are you being sarcastic? I hope so, because a 14 year old certainly does not have the authority to overrule a judge's specific 'stay away' order.

I'm sure Sanford would have no trouble deciding that the law didn't apply to him, though.

quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel

Sanford wasn't trespassing. His kid lives there. Therefore, Sanford should be allowed to come and go as he pleases.

If the 1st district of SC votes for this scumbag, I pity them.







DesideriScuri -> RE: In case adultery isn't good enough as a Family Value... (4/18/2013 7:14:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Well hell DS it almost sounds as if you don't believe Mr.Sanford was represented at these divorce proceedings by competent counsel.
I've gone thru a divorce ,it's not an enjoyable experience,but it is the venue in which one hammers out the details of the dissolution of a marriage....including custodial custody and visitation rights.
One doesn't get to violate the terms of that divorce later and simply couch it as"wanting to watch a game with my son"....Super Bowl or not.


Thus the whole, "still not right though" part of my post. [:D]

My dissolution is coming up on it's 1 year anniversary. I know it isn't easy. I don't condone what he did, but, if he was telling the truth, I can understand where he was coming from.




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