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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 12:53:33 PM   
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It's amazing how someone who always claims to not be religious attacks atheism and science at every opportunity.



That's laughable, given what the YouTubes are saying.

What's so fun about it all is watching the militant atheists dance

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 1:28:40 PM   
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Science is not a predetermined conclusion,looking to include any supporting evidence and ignoring any evidence that doesn`t.
It`s [Science] an ongoing exploration of nature that`s open to correction and re-examination.....


Isn't ignoring the options that religion offers the same as "ignoring any evidence that doesn't" support the conclusion? Isn't it typical for science to continually ask "why" and to challenge "accepted" truth when new information is discovered?



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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 3:02:35 PM   
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I put it to you that what you perceive as people trying to wipe out everyone's belief in a higher power is what I see as a defensive reaction against the centuries of persecution of heretics and the prevailing intrusion and imposition of Fundamental Christian dogma in the American political arena and the imposition of Islamic Jihad upon the world.

Defensiveness makes a good apology, but a poor excuse.

K.

I would agree if you used the term 'apology' as a rational and not a mea culpa.

Why is an excuse needed? The Religious Fundamentalist activities will not cease. Are atheists to turn the other cheek? Perhaps bring their own dunking stools to the party?


Atheism more closely represents commercialist dogma.

If you cannot touch and make money with it, it does not exist.

Somewhat similar to if you build a mega church, preach on television, and promise miracles (or fake them) you will make a ton of cash.

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 3:06:24 PM   
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Science is not a predetermined conclusion,looking to include any supporting evidence and ignoring any evidence that doesn`t.
It`s [Science] an ongoing exploration of nature that`s open to correction and re-examination.....


Isn't ignoring the options that religion offers the same as "ignoring any evidence that doesn't" support the conclusion? Isn't it typical for science to continually ask "why" and to challenge "accepted" truth when new information is discovered?

The options that religion offers have not been ignored. They have been put off limits from scientific investigation by claiming miracles ~ the suspension of physics.

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 3:18:27 PM   
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The Religious Fundamentalist activities will not cease. Are atheists to turn the other cheek?

No, but what has this topic to do with either "Religious Fundamentalists" or even Atheism per se. The Materialist world-view being pushed by these so-called "Atheists" is neither inherent in Atheism nor shared by all Atheists. That said, mea culpa, I've edited my previous post to put quotation marks around "Atheist" there too.

K.


Would you say that Physicalism is not inherent in Atheism? I am at a loss to see how that would be. Can you give me an example? [I realize I have used a term slightly more inclusive than Materialism] Or are you referring to some Eastern tradition of which I am unfamiliar?

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 3:41:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe. But also, someday people will be talking about the Jesus myth and the Christian mythology just like we talk about Greek mythology, Roman mythology, Norse mythology, etc.

Organized religion does a pretty poor job of representing any Ultimate Being in the universe, if you ask me.


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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 3:42:19 PM   
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I put it to you that what you perceive as people trying to wipe out everyone's belief in a higher power is what I see as a defensive reaction against the centuries of persecution of heretics and the prevailing intrusion and imposition of Fundamental Christian dogma in the American political arena and the imposition of Islamic Jihad upon the world.

Defensiveness makes a good apology, but a poor excuse.

K.

I would agree if you used the term 'apology' as a rational and not a mea culpa.

Why is an excuse needed? The Religious Fundamentalist activities will not cease. Are atheists to turn the other cheek? Perhaps bring their own dunking stools to the party?


Atheism more closely represents commercialist dogma.

If you cannot touch and make money with it, it does not exist.

Somewhat similar to if you build a mega church, preach on television, and promise miracles (or fake them) you will make a ton of cash.



nothing is exempt from greed.

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 3:45:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Science is not a predetermined conclusion,looking to include any supporting evidence and ignoring any evidence that doesn`t.
It`s [Science] an ongoing exploration of nature that`s open to correction and re-examination.....


Isn't ignoring the options that religion offers the same as "ignoring any evidence that doesn't" support the conclusion? Isn't it typical for science to continually ask "why" and to challenge "accepted" truth when new information is discovered?

The options that religion offers have not been ignored. They have been put off limits from scientific investigation by claiming miracles ~ the suspension of physics.



or the acknowledgement of what is yet to be defined by physics.

sort of like a cure for cancer that we will never get because there is so much research investments spent and money to be made in not curing it.

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 4:16:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Science is not a predetermined conclusion,looking to include any supporting evidence and ignoring any evidence that doesn`t.
It`s [Science] an ongoing exploration of nature that`s open to correction and re-examination.....


Isn't ignoring the options that religion offers the same as "ignoring any evidence that doesn't" support the conclusion? Isn't it typical for science to continually ask "why" and to challenge "accepted" truth when new information is discovered?

The options that religion offers have not been ignored. They have been put off limits from scientific investigation by claiming miracles ~ the suspension of physics.



or the acknowledgement of what is yet to be defined by physics.

sort of like a cure for cancer that we will never get because there is so much research investments spent and money to be made in not curing it.

Are you saying physics lacks sufficient definition to study miracles? And not that claims to miracles require the suspension of natural laws?

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 4:17:30 PM   
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nothing is exempt from greed.

Not even Mother Theresa.

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 4:20:40 PM   
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nothing is exempt from greed.

Not even Mother Theresa.

sad but true

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 4:25:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Science is not a predetermined conclusion,looking to include any supporting evidence and ignoring any evidence that doesn`t.
It`s [Science] an ongoing exploration of nature that`s open to correction and re-examination.....


Isn't ignoring the options that religion offers the same as "ignoring any evidence that doesn't" support the conclusion? Isn't it typical for science to continually ask "why" and to challenge "accepted" truth when new information is discovered?

The options that religion offers have not been ignored. They have been put off limits from scientific investigation by claiming miracles ~ the suspension of physics.



or the acknowledgement of what is yet to be defined by physics.

sort of like a cure for cancer that we will never get because there is so much research investments spent and money to be made in not curing it.

Are you saying physics lacks sufficient definition to study miracles? And not that claims to miracles require the suspension of natural laws?



no I am saying that are several areas that the physics industry simply ignores as anomalies rather than explore them because the physics we know is almost strictly reserved to exploration of that which evolves into profit and nothing else. All else is an anomaly not to be bothered with. teslas discoveries as an example remain after 100 years primarily unexplained.

some called the stunts he did with electricity a miracle.

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 6:21:17 PM   
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The options that religion offers have not been ignored. They have been put off limits from scientific investigation by claiming miracles ~ the suspension of physics.



You should probably watch at least the first video, Vince, if only to understand why your arguments are being laughed at so hard right now.



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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 6:48:44 PM   
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Would you say that Physicalism is not inherent in Atheism? I am at a loss to see how that would be. Can you give me an example?

Atheism is defined as (1) disbelief in the existence of a God or gods, or (2) the affirmative belief that no God or gods exist. But that's all. It advances no further claim about the nature of reality. There is nothing to stop an Atheist from entertaining the possibility that consciousness is non-local or that it continues after death. Physicalism, on the other hand, is the doctrine that no kinds of things exist other than physical things. Period. Hymn 42.

K.



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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 6:51:26 PM   
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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 6:52:59 PM   
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I never saw nor heard of the video, is it posted somewhere?

Yes, links to both videos are in the OP.

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 7:10:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		It isn't science if previously debunked notions are given the same weight as previously supported ideas, *unless* something new comes along... and dressing old hoaxes up in new costumes ('energy healing' for 'qigong', or 'intuitive metacognition' for 'ESP' for example) doesn't count.

There is always room for more accurate equipment to provide new information to *revise* older theories, but that doesn't create a vacuum for woo to rush in.


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Science is not a predetermined conclusion,looking to include any supporting evidence and ignoring any evidence that doesn`t.
It`s [Science] an ongoing exploration of nature that`s open to correction and re-examination.....


Isn't ignoring the options that religion offers the same as "ignoring any evidence that doesn't" support the conclusion? Isn't it typical for science to continually ask "why" and to challenge "accepted" truth when new information is discovered?





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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 8:21:07 PM   
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It isn't science if previously debunked notions are given the same weight as previously supported ideas, *unless* something new comes along... and dressing old hoaxes up in new costumes ('energy healing' for 'qigong', or 'intuitive metacognition' for 'ESP' for example) doesn't count.
There is always room for more accurate equipment to provide new information to *revise* older theories, but that doesn't create a vacuum for woo to rush in.


Agreed, but as you well know, the leaps we've seen in understanding and knowledge have challenged previously supported ideas. Who is to say that there is nothing yet to be discovered that will turn science upside down and prove God exists? We don't yet understand the results of the Double Slit Experiment. It was less than a year ago that something showed up that might show the Theory of Relativity to be wrong.

"Settled science" is a phrase lacking specification. What we call "settled science" is only settled based on what we currently know, and could end up being unsettled as we learn more. Burying religious belief as "debunked" is saying that there isn't anything left for us to discover that would change the veracity of whatever the belief is. I don't believe true science will ever say that. True science, IMO, will always state things relative to current knowledge, but leave open the possibility that it could change, which, it can.

There is always a chance that woo is twoo, but we haven't found a way to pwoove it yet.

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 9:11:51 PM   
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dressing old hoaxes up in new costumes ('energy healing' for 'qigong', or 'intuitive metacognition' for 'ESP' for example) doesn't count.

True enough. But dismissing things from a position of ignorance also doesn't count.

You are misinformed about the potentials of human consciousness.

Reality and the Extended Mind

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RE: The Society for the Suppression of Curiosity - 4/21/2013 9:38:37 PM   
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Also any time Chopra writes anything about "quantum" you know he's picthing woo yet again.

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