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theballshaveit -> Is it possible? (4/24/2013 3:24:27 PM)

To whom it may concern,
I have been into bdsm for a long time but could never truly find a dominant woman who really wants a real man hard working, good family man and just a regular guy on the outside but is submissive behind closed doors. I come to sites like this one hoping to find something good but always get invites for camera sites or buy me this buy me that. I truly want it to mean something more than this. I like to be tied punished owned the whole nine yards but I also want the rest! a good soul with a heart to match! If this isn't a reality or if there is no such thing in the world of BDSM then I am going to give it up for GOOD even though i really enjoy it and have so for many years! Tell me it isn't so.....looking for a true Domme to comment and hopefully tell me why I am wrong




mnottertail -> RE: Is it possible? (4/24/2013 3:27:58 PM)

But the profile is sex.  Who is the real human in the messy bed picture? 




theballshaveit -> RE: Is it possible? (4/24/2013 3:54:46 PM)

Although you have a valid point we all come on here because we are sexually excited about this so yes there is sex involved to at least get attention but alas I was wondering if there is more to it once you past this part




LadyPact -> RE: Is it possible? (4/24/2013 4:19:24 PM)

Sorry, but there are quite a few of us here who aren't primarily driven by sex. Would you be searching in the vanilla world for a wife if your main concern was sex?

From your original post, I'm not really sure if you are just wanting to be Dominated in the bedroom or only in private surroundings. (Those are two different scenarios, btws.) Bedroom only Dominants and submissives absolutely do exist, though I don't come across them as much as I do those who are 24/7 D/s. Most Dominant women that I know are more interested in the entire package. It's really easy to find somebody who just wants to be Dominated in bed and a lot of people who want authority and control in a relationship don't want it to change just because of crossing that bedroom threshold.

If you are coming across with a sex and kink approach, you're going to be finding more folks who also use the sex and kink approach by wanting you to pay for that. For some reason, a lot of men don't understand that women don't have to look for sex, so that's not what we base our searches on.



ETA - When you are interested in creating a profile that will help you, rather than hinder you, there are a lot of folks here who can be helpful with that.




DarkSteven -> RE: Is it possible? (4/24/2013 4:38:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: theballshaveit

Although you have a valid point we all come on here because we are sexually excited about this so yes there is sex involved to at least get attention but alas I was wondering if there is more to it once you past this part


You got it backwards. The sex part, just like in the vanilla world, comes after the woman's been dazzled by your nonsexual self. You have some idea that if you tell women you're up for sex, they'll be fascinated and then you tell them what a great guy you are.

Lessee:

Your username refers to your balls.
You have a naked torso pic almost showing your cock.
Your other two pics show your cock, one naked and one sheathed.
Your profile says you're all about sex.

And you're complaining that women don't want a hardworking, family guy. You failed to convey any of that.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: Is it possible? (4/24/2013 5:53:06 PM)

quote:

Although you have a valid point we all come on here because we are sexually excited about this so yes there is sex involved to at least get attention


Let me sort you out on that, OP. What I'm excited about are my loving partners, not pictures of some anonymous swinging dick and the whys and wherefores of what makes it stick up. (More on that below. Keep reading.)

To answer your original thread title: yes, it is possible. Personally, I have two long-term (13 and 14 years, respectively) 'family-man' type partners as you describe here, and I adore them. The best way to describe our relationships are in these mutually demonstrated terms: friend, lover, help-mate, cheering section, comedian/enne, kink partner. It's all there. It's like a marriage with two husbands.

To attract what you say you seek in your post, there are a few things about your profile that need changing. This paradigm shift from what you assumed will attract women on a site such as CM might rock your world off its axis (and perhaps get you a wonderful partner!) so listen up:

1) Get rid of every picture you have posted. Women are not visual in the same way as men. You show us a dick, we think you're a dick. You show us a headless torso, we think you're a mannequin, not a man. If we want to see your dick, we'll ask. Until then, it's only your little friend, and we don't give two figs about it (even if their yours!). [8D] When I looked at your profile, there was nobody but you in it and I suggest you keep it that way. When most women see pictures of other women, they don't see themselves in her place like 'oooooo, what a lucky woman, I wish that was me instead!" They think 'is that f*cknut going to post pictures of me all over the internet like he did with that unfortunate woman?" Ditto with lameass pictures of toys/equipment. She'll likely think: 'ffs, where has that buttplug BEEN?! Ewwww!!!"

2) Start over with a non-dickcentric screen name. How 'bout something that conveys what you put in your post here, like 'regularguy4u'.

3) Get someone to take a vanilla, g-rated picture that shows you doing something non-sexual you love. Outdoor pictures are always great. Swing a hockey stick, throw a ball (not your own) for your dog, or just wave from the beach. There are endless, artistic ways to avoid showing your face if that is a concern. Really put your best efforts into your pictures and narrative. Say it on there like you said it in your post. It will give you a leg up on all the other clueless wonders, so at least try. It's free!

Best of luck to you.




seekingreality -> RE: Is it possible? (4/24/2013 6:53:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: theballshaveit

To whom it may concern,
I have been into bdsm for a long time but could never truly find a dominant woman who really wants a real man hard working, good family man and just a regular guy on the outside but is submissive behind closed doors. I come to sites like this one hoping to find something good but always get invites for camera sites or buy me this buy me that. I truly want it to mean something more than this. I like to be tied punished owned the whole nine yards but I also want the rest! a good soul with a heart to match! If this isn't a reality or if there is no such thing in the world of BDSM then I am going to give it up for GOOD even though i really enjoy it and have so for many years! Tell me it isn't so.....looking for a true Domme to comment and hopefully tell me why I am wrong



In my experience, the majority of dominant women want a fully formed relationship. You find that my approaching women as a human being first, not as a sex toy. Then you accept it won't necessary be a quick or easy process to find someone you're compatible with. And you also accept online you'll encounter plenty of scammers. So a lot of it just boils down to patience, which isn't an answer most people like, because patience isn't fun, sexy or erotic for them.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Is it possible? (4/24/2013 7:19:21 PM)

Like others have already said, your profile is all about the sexual experience. Ok, so you want the D/s only in the bedroom type of relationship, that's fine. But honestly, you are 45 years old. How many women have you met in your life who want to jump right to the sex without getting emotionally invested first?

Your pictures basically call out to the scammers because it is all about your dick. When you approach this from an intellectual place rather than a physical, you will have a better outcome.

Finding the right partner takes time. You joined yesterday. Did you really believe that pictures of your cock would so impress the ladies in 24 hours that they would be filling your mailbox up with offers?




MistressDarkArt -> RE: Is it possible? (4/24/2013 9:52:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: seekingreality


In my experience, the majority of dominant women want a fully formed relationship. You find that by approaching women as a human being first, not as a sex toy. Then you accept it won't necessarily be a quick or easy process to find someone you're compatible with. And you also accept online you'll encounter plenty of scammers. So a lot of it just boils down to patience, which isn't an answer most people like, because patience isn't fun, sexy or erotic for them.



HOOOORAAHHH!! I nominate this post for a sticky! [sm=goodpost.gif]




Dreamless -> RE: Is it possible? (4/25/2013 2:11:41 AM)

Hi.

So basically I should specify that what you want totally exists, alternatively my entire life has been a lie and I'm going to wake up and that'll be it, the dream is over, no more fetishization of tying boys up.

The problem is, as everyone's said, your profile doesn't speak to me, the type of person who doesn't just want a play partner. In fact, your profile, had I run into it, really just says... you want a play partner. So my advice to you is, take the heart of the message you got in that post up there and apply it to your profile. You're a hard working guy. You want a family. You want to do normal things. Write these things down, and then, "and I want to be tied up and punished." Much like you'd approach introducing "I want to be tied up and punished" into a vanilla relationship, it gets to come after those first eight yards. A nice, non-naked picture. Your interests and hobbies. What you can offer that makes you worth settling down with, besides the fact that presumably you and potential domme have the same fetishes. Because hey, you're not just selling sex. It's not just about whether your fetishes match.

It's about whether your lives match, if you want to get the whole nine yards, a picket fence. It's hard work.

Dominant women and regular women are still all the same flesh and blood human beings. It's just as hard, if not harder, to find a compatible kinky life partner. At any rate, there are definitely 'only in the bedroom' kinksters. You might honestly have better luck on a regular dating site and make it known that you're interested in kink in the bedroom because it seems like most people here are more 24-7 types? But hey, I'm not, I can't imagine being anything less than laid back as fuck, and if I exist I can't be the only one, I'm sure you can find someone in your age group who similarly can delude people into thinking they're boring vanilla types outside of the bedroom. ^_^




DomMeinCT -> RE: Is it possible? (4/25/2013 8:16:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: theballshaveit

Although you have a valid point we all come on here because we are sexually excited about this so yes there is sex involved to at least get attention but alas I was wondering if there is more to it once you past this part



You're trying for the wrong kind of attention.

Think like a woman (read all the great feedback from people on this thread) and stop thinking like a guy who created a profile that points out his balls.

(Do you really and truly think that the type of woman you say you're seeking will jump up and down in excitement over what you're offering in your profile, username, and pics?)

Pull your pants up and put yourself forward as the type of guy you say you are offering to the type of woman you want.




theballshaveit -> RE: Is it possible? (4/25/2013 8:11:17 PM)

You have a very valid point i may just delete then recreate my whole profile it was a reference to knockaround guysit was twisted humor




MistressDarkArt -> RE: Is it possible? (4/25/2013 8:20:38 PM)

^^^ Glad to hear it. I think you'll have a much better chance at actually connecting with a quality person. Since you can't change your username on your profile, you'll have to start from scratch. Please let us know how it's going! Many of us would also be willing to critique (constructively) potential contact messages if you like. I promise to be nice!

ETA: when I first saw your screen name I read it as The Ball Shave It. [sm=confused.gif]




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Is it possible? (4/25/2013 9:59:08 PM)

If you're looking for a Domme who really wants a hard working, good family man who's just a regular guy but he's also submissive, then you need to put yourself forward as one. Your username is totally dick-centric and your profile is pretty much about sex and that's it. That puts you forward as more a wanker than anything. A profile and username that's all sex might attract men, but you don't want to attract men. You want to attract women and most of us don't think that way. Meaning, we don't want sex first and then work on a relationship later. That's putting the cart before the horse. Most women, as opposed to some men on here, want to see if the man is compatible with us on a vanilla, non-sexual level before sex becomes part of the picture. That is, unless all she's looking for is a play partner or kinky FWB. Most women are more relationship-oriented rather than just sex-oriented, so putting sex out there first is not likely to impress us.

NBMG




Rawni -> RE: Is it possible? (4/27/2013 6:46:45 AM)

I raised adults... I may not always be happy with them, but they were not raised to continually need instruction on elementary life factoids. At an age when men ought to have figured a few things out... we are having to explain why obsessions over things they have never really done and the treatment of sex/women is so faulty that they need instruction? I know I am not the only mother/woman out there teaching elementary skills to the younger set... so what the hell is going wrong out there?

Ignorance and stupidity is a choice in a great deal of how people fail to thrive as an adult. If you can't figure out what you're doing wrong, you may be too stupid to actually do it.

Stop blaming the lack of good/real domina's when the fault clearly is the fact that you don't get women on even an elementary basis and have few personal skills in dealing with them.

It is being proven that people mated with Neanderthals, but most of us wouldn't even think of it now-a-days. [8|]




RedMagic1 -> RE: Is it possible? (4/27/2013 7:48:18 AM)

Hi OP,

It isn't always true, but there's some value in this:

If you don't expect sex, you're more likely to get it.

I've definitely been in situations where I was really interested in the lady, she said some version of "back off," and, when I did without getting bent out of shape, she suddenly got more horny.

If you're in a position where she's thinking, "Why doesn't he mention sex a bit more, damn it?" or, "Why doesn't he lean closer into me already?" you're doing pretty well. You might consider that as a possible approach when you re-work your profile.

Best of luck.




angelikaJ -> RE: Is it possible? (4/27/2013 9:22:20 AM)

The point has been made already by the other posters .... but:
your post is a bit like asking why didn't you get a coffee frappe when you asked for a vanilla one?

If what you are really looking for is "the rest", then why isn't that featured in your profile?

Perhaps this will help?
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3057130/tm.htm

If you want "the rest" then your profile should be focused on the rest.
Your profile name, your profile text, should all give an indication of who you are and what you are about.

Currently, with the focus on your dangling bits, it isn't showing you have anything to offer, besides that.
If you have more to offer, then show that; give concrete examples of how your presence in someone's life will make them smile.

How would you apply for a job?
Would you focus on the one thing that everyone else had or would you take the time to highlight what makes you special.





lizi -> RE: Is it possible? (4/27/2013 9:52:06 AM)

Everything that the other responses have said, plus the fact that the OP that you wrote to start this thread off with is more in depth than what's in your profile and talks about completely different things too. Are Dominant women magical mind readers? Quite simply the bait that you're putting out is about your sexual needs, if that's what you think will attract a woman you are completely wrong. If that is humor as you said in post #12, it was so obtuse that literally no one got it. How useful is that?

If your profile is the first thing a woman sees about you, then right at first glance she's looking up your nose. Is that your most attractive angle? I'm not much on nostrils, I don't know many women who are. Then we see your headless torso, and a jeans covered bulge. Ew. None of those are your best angle either. If a woman never even reads your profile "humor" and just looked at your pictures, she'd get the mistaken idea that you seem to think the interior of your nose is attractive, and that you are advertising your body for sex. If that is not true, then you have to change what information you are putting out to the public. By contrast a relationship minded man might put out pics of him doing activities, or smiling, or maybe show him with a pet.

You say in your profile text now (not sure if you changed anything since I didn't see it before) that you are hard working and respectful, along with the fact that submission is an obsession for you. I'd stop reading right there and move on. Who wants someone who is obsessed? That pretty much means your needs will always come first. I've known men who were obsessed, they were red flags for me and immediately dumped. By all means feel free to keep that in the profile if it's true so that women will know, and move on if they so choose.




njlauren -> RE: Is it possible? (4/27/2013 9:55:56 AM)

I'll give you this from a different perspective that may help,leaving out the dominance stuff. Being who I am, when I was going out a lot presenting as myself, going to clubs and such (talking t centered ones), it was natural to get hit on by men, it was part of the scene. The problem there was the guys saw us as fetish objects, probably from watching too much porn or something, and they would forget we were people. If I was all dressed up nicely, whether slut wear or wearing jeans and a sweater and boots (the latter more than the former), took the time to look nice, it was no different than any women out. I wasn't necessarily looking for anything, but it was a turn off, most of the guys were treating us like fetish objects or like we were just these things for their pleasure. I asked one of the guys if he would approach a woman in a regular bar like that, and he was like 'of course not'.....and he didn't get why I told him to get lost.

I think the way you have to look at this is that as important as being dominant is to some people, it is still a facet of them,whether it represents 70% r 20%,it mixed with the other things. I described it in my case as yes, I was trans, but it was what I was, not who I was, that I had a brain that I was given, I have interests, can talk about Brahm's 1st symphony or enjoy laughing at a Weird Al parody, I can enjoy being the girl girl slut or the 'more mature' woman, but those are facets....sexuality is a part of me, but it isn't the whole kettle of fish, what goes on before I am in bed (or tied up, or whatever) is a lot more important, since I am a person,too. LP is seriously into leather protocol lifestyle, but she also lives a regular life, too, where she is just herself, true for every other dominant on here. I think one of the things the OP and others need to realize is that they need to separate out the role play aspects of domination with it simply being. I can't speak for others,but 'erotic domination' where it is based on strict control, the image of the domme in leather and boots, the 'totally controlling' woman, are role playing (and these are my opinions, not gospel fact, how people live this is varied), but the real domination is in the mutual respect and understanding between domme and sub/slave. When we were more lifestyle (maybe to re-emerge with the chick flying the nest) we were young parents, and anyone who expects a woman with a young baby/child to have the space to be the 'active/controlling ' dominant 24/7 is going to be in for a disappointment IMO, because that baby makes the most demanding domme look like a piker.

I agree with others, rip your profile apart and put it together again, and focus on who you and and what you want. When you say you want a D/s in private, say if that is a bedroom thing, at home while tempered in public, or all out. Keep in mind that with D/s, you can be 24/7 and no one outside yourselves will know it exists, if you mean private that others don't know, that goes on all the time...nice part is, you and the person you find can work that out yourselves, people who were bedroom have ended up as M/s, all depends:). Make yourself attractive to the woman as a person, and the rest will follow, highlight what think makes you a a good catch as a partner/bf/spouse in potential, the rest will flow from both your interests once the other connection happens IME.

Put it this way, in my own life I am trying to work to rebuild what we once had, which was an incredible D/s, along with our overall relationship, and what a lot of that is is building things like trust and openness, something that was blown to shit by a lot of things, lot of burdens, and that is true whether you are mr. and mrs total vanilla or the queen and king of kink. There are people on this board who post here that if I weren't attached and settled, I would be definitely interested in getting to know them, and to do that I would be doing everything I could to put my best face forward as a person, to make me attractive to them, to see if there was any interest (and yeah, there are some people if out of the blue, they sent me an e-mail saying "I am just dying to meet you", I might even rethink being setttled ...well, not really, but I would be tremendously flattered:). It is kind of like sending a resume in with a job, it is saying "I am this super candidate, look at my background, look at my experience, this is who I am professionally"...what your original profile was like was sending in a resume to let's say a programming job that gave your name, address and other contact information, and put down "I think your company is hot and I want to work there, I am so cool I would be a natural fit" as the only other thing on it and a couple of lines of' cool code' you once wrote.....you get the idea.




SeekingTrinity -> RE: Is it possible? (4/27/2013 11:27:24 AM)

~FRing it~

Think of it this way, OP. You (a submissive male) are a minnow in a sea FILLED with other minnows too. All of you are hoping to get picked by the one sea gull soaring in the sky above you. So how is it YOU are making yourself stand out? A chin dominated face pic, a headless torso, a bulge in your jeans pic, a ridiculous screen name (the balls have it? Or the reaction I had was "the ball shave it? WTF does that mean?" [8|]), a profile that in no way matches what you said you were looking for in this thread, and a profile that brings to my mind a dude looking for a fetish delivery system. You are coming across to me as a do-me sub and to coin the popular meme "ain't no one got time fo' dat!" But then again, Im just a dominant female who's been doing this for awhile...not this "true Domme" you are seeking your answer from.

It's all about how you market yourself. That and not expecting instant gratification within minutes of creating a profile.





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