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You Are the Jury


Guilty
  29% (12)
Not Guilty
  12% (5)
I'd beat the dealer
  9% (4)
I'd beat them both
  9% (4)
Violence settles nothing, so no beatings
  19% (8)
They'd never find the dealer's body
  19% (8)


Total Votes : 41
(last vote on : 4/28/2013 5:12:09 AM)
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You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 4:17:15 AM   
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How would you vote as a juror? What would you do as a parent? Multiple choices allowed.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 4:58:41 AM   
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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 5:16:29 AM   
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I'm another "Guilty" and "Violence settles nothing" voter.

Listen, she broke the law. The law simply does not allow you to cause physical harm to another person. She deserves a punishment for that. There are better ways to handle the problem, like working with the police to bring the dealer down (though I recognize the fact that some police forces simply aren't interested in that...in which case I'd be more forgiving).

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 6:25:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I voted guilty and no violence. We can't go around beating those we find awful. Besides, when it comes to drugs, I usually blame the addict and not the dealer for drug abuse.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 6:28:42 AM   
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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 7:27:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I voted guilty as well. Legally, she broke the law and should be punished for it.

As a former drug addict (been clean for over 9 years now), I can say with some authoriity that eliminating the drug dealer from the equation won't solve the problem. If I couldn't get it from my regular source, I went looking somewhere else.

As a mother, how does she propose to help her son with his addiction from jail? Her actions carry up to a one year jail sentence.

Dealing with addiction can be brutal, but you can't blame the dealer for the son's choices, no matter how immoral you think dealing is. The addiction needs to be the focus, not the source.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 7:33:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do any of you voting Guilty believe that juror nullification is ever viable? Just curious, not taking a swipe at your votes.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 8:01:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Guilty...she should have beat her son in the head with the bat...there was no arm twisting forcing the son to take the drugs... Damn what is it with weak people that MUST escape reality at everyone else expense.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 8:39:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, I don't believe jury nullification is a viable option.

My brother died of a heroin overdose. Beating his dealer would have done nothing. This mother's actions are almost like she is denying her son's culpability in all this, as though if not for the dealer, her son never would have gotten addicted. Simply not the case, ever.

I hope that she receives a minimum jail sentence, though. Regardless of her inability to see her son for what he is, she likely acted out of frustration. It doesn't make it right, but at the same time, she isn't a danger to society. A danger to drug dealers, but that's another story.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 8:58:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Community service and fines would be the more appropriate sentence. It also doesn't state if her son was a minor. Because for many juries, getting a 14 year old hooked would be seen as more heinous than a 26 year old choosing to move up to heavier drugs.

And jury nullification can show that the community's views have changed radically and the statutes need to be changed as well to update them to the present day realities.

Not that this will help her son with his issues. And the fact that she believes it will does not offer much hope of her saving her kid.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 9:24:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Her son and the man attacked were high school classmates.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 10:11:25 AM   
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http://m.now.msn.com/sherrie-gavan-convicted-of-assaulting-sons-drug-dealer?ocid=vt_fbmsnnow

How would you vote as a juror? What would you do as a parent? Multiple choices allowed.


There's no option for suspended sentence. Guilty, but give her a suspended sentence - or maybe community service. Perhaps she could coach a baseball team. She already has a bat and knows how to use it.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 10:23:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Guilty and beat them both. Maybe she felt she needed to send a message as well as take the risk of jail time.

While I agree with many posters on here that say it is not the dealer's fault for the kid's addiction, I haven't met too many dealers that were great people (exclude pot only dealers). Usually lazy and greedy just trying to make a fast buck and often out push whatever crap they have. So, there is a ton of guilt to go around.

Yet, if we would just legalize drugs and treat addicts, this could all be avoidable.................

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 11:00:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I voted Guilty and Violence settles nothing.

Another case in point. In a nearby town around here, a Father told his son's dealer if he sold to son again, Father would kill dealer. Dealer (adult) lived with his father. Son got more drugs. Father went to dealer's house and shot the sleeping figure on the couch. Dealer's father died. Father was not arrested due to lack of evidence, in spite of the fact that the whole town knows the story.

I don't know the exact ages of dealer or addict.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 12:15:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		It doesn't matter how old the addict is.

The sad thing is that the mother obviously didn't consider why her son felt he needed to start using drugs anyway.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 2:25:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Based on the very limited information in the article (having recently served on a jury and learning first hand how many details can change your mind throughout the case), I'd say guilty and no violence.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 2:27:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't usually swing this way (swing - baseball bat, get it?) but there really are some things that are worth jail time. Evidently, that women feels the same way.


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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 4:37:42 PM   
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Do any of you voting Guilty believe that juror nullification is ever viable? Just curious, not taking a swipe at your votes.


Sure do, but I'm not exactly unbiased (criminal defense is a big part of my practice).

I think it's more viable in situations where the law itself is written unfairly than in situations like this one. There are a number of badly drafted laws (especially criminal statutes), many of which were enacted in response to some specific event (which was usually already illegal). There are also times where a system is set up which isn't fair. For instance, in Ohio, when a person is charged with OVI, they are not allowed to challenge the general reliability of the machine that was used to test them, provided that the State Department of Health has certified the machine as one that may be used for that test. But that certification is not done in a way that is contested or open to public objection. So people are convicted without any evidence being presented that the machine (a breathalyzer, for instance) actually works in the way the police/prosecutors say it works.

It depends on the individual case whether I would deem jury nullification viable. If it looks like the government is railroading the defendant, or that the system is set up to cause a person to fall afoul of it, or a law doesn't make any rational sense...jury nullification is perfectly ok, because the important thing in those situations is that the result be the right one, rather than the proper process being followed.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 5:22:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Guilty...she should have beat her son in the head with the bat...there was no arm twisting forcing the son to take the drugs... Damn what is it with weak people that MUST escape reality at everyone else expense.

Butch


Weak people? I take exception to that. At one point in my life, all my friends were hardcore drug addicts. Every last one of them had been severely physically, sexually, or emotionally abused from childhood on. And, no, I didn't just take their word for it. In most cases, I met the families and saw the circumstances they were brought up in. Addicts are not weak. They are people who were seriously damaged before their addictions began. You would do well to learn something about people before you issue your pronouncements out your orifices.

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RE: You Are the Jury - 4/26/2013 6:05:27 PM   
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http://m.now.msn.com/sherrie-gavan-convicted-of-assaulting-sons-drug-dealer?ocid=vt_fbmsnnow

How would you vote as a juror? What would you do as a parent? Multiple choices allowed.


I'd vote her guilty because she did it. But she should only spend time enough in jail to sign the papers and get released. The governor should pardon her.

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