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Moonhead -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (4/30/2013 4:29:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri See how I stated that it isn't okay for Perry to use deaths to score political points. So why are you defending him doing so if that isn't okay?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (4/30/2013 8:10:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri See how I stated that it isn't okay for Perry to use deaths to score political points. So why are you defending him doing so if that isn't okay? I'm not defending him in those situations. I'm defending his assertion that the cartoon was tasteless and shouldn't have been published. Your claiming he is wrong simply because of past fuckups. I'm saying regardless of past fuckups, he's right on this. And, you have even stated that he is wrong simply because of his past, not because of what he said about this cartoon. If Bill Clinton were to come out knocking Mark Sanford (that is the correct jackwagon, right?) for cheating on his wife and trying to hide it, would he be correct, even though he cheated on Hillary and tried to hide it? No, he would not be wrong. It would be hilarious that Clinton was calling Sanford out on it, but he'd still be right.

Moonhead -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 5:01:05 AM)
One cannot build "right" on a foundation of "wrong". Sorry that you're incapable of getting your head around that concept, but there it is.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 6:46:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead One cannot build "right" on a foundation of "wrong". Sorry that you're incapable of getting your head around that concept, but there it is. So, no matter what he says, he's wrong simply because he's the one saying it? That's stupid at it's core. A person can be right in one specific case, even if he's been wrong in every case similar to that one specific case before. Look at the specific case. Regardless of who said it, is the comment correct or not? I'm sorry you can't dissociate the message from the messenger and critique each on it's own merits. You will miss out on an awful lot of wisdom that way.

cordeliasub -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 6:47:55 AM)
I'll say that I didn't cringe at the cartoon when I first saw it because of Perry. I could really care less about him. I was just wondering how the victims' families would have felt looking at it, regardless of what kind of person Perry is. Of course, I remember in 1986 when every time you turned on the TV some station was showing the Challenger blowing up, and I wondered how in the world the families could bear to watch television.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 6:51:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri So, no matter what he says, he's wrong simply because he's the one saying it? That's stupid at it's core. A person can be right in one specific case, even if he's been wrong in every case similar to that one specific case before. Look at the specific case. Regardless of who said it, is the comment correct or not? I'm sorry you can't dissociate the message from the messenger and critique each on it's own merits. You will miss out on an awful lot of wisdom that way. No, DS. This is perfect! Just use this flawed logic and we can erase ObummerCare. After all; it wasn't a tax when the Liar-In-Chief was talking to us but it was a tax when presented to the Supreme Court. Now that we have Obummer, wrong once, he's been wrong about everything. I like it! Peace and comfort, Michael

Moonhead -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 7:03:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri So, no matter what he says, he's wrong simply because he's the one saying it? No, he's wrong because he's spent time doing and saying the opposite. Try to keep up.

mnottertail -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 8:13:49 AM)
quote: it wasn't a tax when the Liar-In-Chief was talking to us but it was a tax when presented to the Supreme Court. That is a typical lie perpetrated as fact by factless inept teabaggers. You might actually try to read and become knowledgeable about intelligent matters before you slather that sort of asswipe all over youtube.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 9:36:30 AM)
~FR~ What I find ironic is that those that say it is okay to use a tragedy to drive an agenda, because they feel the agenda justified are also those that have condemned others for doing it though those others felt justified too. Seems hypocrisy is the largest political party there is. As far as the OP, Perry was criminal in the neglect of safety violations at the facility that exploded and hundreds more of industrial plants. Now had it been someone from the family or town that had written and complained about the cartoon, it would have carried a lot more weight. Maybe something good will come from it and some of the other safety violations still pending will be looked into.

Moonhead -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 9:50:22 AM)
Don't hold your breath.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 11:11:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri So, no matter what he says, he's wrong simply because he's the one saying it? No, he's wrong because he's spent time doing and saying the opposite. Try to keep up. I'm up to speed. Have no fear. You just won't admit that Perry's assertion was correct in this specific instance. And, you are basing his being wrong because he his previous actions weren't in line with his assertion in this specific instance. Just be honest, man. Your hate for Perry is almost as bad as Thompson's.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 11:15:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf ~FR~ What I find ironic is that those that say it is okay to use a tragedy to drive an agenda, because they feel the agenda justified are also those that have condemned others for doing it though those others felt justified too. Seems hypocrisy is the largest political party there is. As far as the OP, Perry was criminal in the neglect of safety violations at the facility that exploded and hundreds more of industrial plants. Now had it been someone from the family or town that had written and complained about the cartoon, it would have carried a lot more weight. By the phrase, "it would have carried a lot more weight," are you saying that what Rick Perry said about the cartoon was correct? Or that it wasn't correct? quote: Maybe something good will come from it and some of the other safety violations still pending will be looked into. I agree.

mnottertail -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 11:15:29 AM)
quote: You just won't admit that Perry's assertion was correct in this specific instance. His assertion is a red herring for PR, a deflection and derail and a dissembling. Nobody made fun of the dead, in fact the opposite was true.

Moonhead -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 11:29:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri So, no matter what he says, he's wrong simply because he's the one saying it? No, he's wrong because he's spent time doing and saying the opposite. Try to keep up. I'm up to speed. Have no fear. You just won't admit that Perry's assertion was correct in this specific instance. And, you are basing his being wrong because he his previous actions weren't in line with his assertion in this specific instance. Just be honest, man. Your hate for Perry is almost as bad as Thompson's. I find the spectacle of a politician who's bragged about cutting restrictions that might have stopped the plant exploding whining about a cartoon pointing out that he's culpable for this almost as pathetic as your desperate attempts to spin this so that said politician can be seen as being in the right by anybody who doesn't have brain damage.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 11:52:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I find the spectacle of a politician who's bragged about cutting restrictions that might have stopped the plant exploding whining about a cartoon pointing out that he's culpable for this almost as pathetic as your desperate attempts to spin this so that said politician can be seen as being in the right by anybody who doesn't have brain damage. What de-regulations allowed the violations that led to the explosion? Was the initial fire set deliberately, or was it something that could have been prevented completely. Obviously, the explosion could have been prevented by not storing the pressurized ammonium nitrate in a location further away from where the fire broke out. As far as that goes, West Texas Fertilizer is definitely negligent, probably criminally so. the company is also negligent (not sure if it would be criminal neglect or not) for not filing with DHS that they had over 1 Ton of ammonium nitrate in the facility. If the fire was deliberately set, that takes some (but only some) responsibility off West Texas Fertilizer, placing it on the arsonist. But, what regulations were nixed by Perry, that would have prevented this?

Moonhead -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 12:18:04 PM)
What part of "bragged about" don't you understand? I'm going to repeat this once more, as you're obviously incapable of getting it through your head, but there's no point taking this any further after this. A politician who has been bragging about how good his reluctance to impose the sort of restrictions that would stop fertiliser plants exploding is getting arsey about a cartoon connecting his mismanagement of the state of Texas to the explosion. He hasn't breathed a word of commiseration for the dead, but he's getting snotty about the suggestion that he might be even indirectly culpable for the fact that nobody in state or federal governance has paid any attention to the plant for half a decade, and is trying to use the fact that people have died in the explosion as an excuse to complain about the cartoonist. Clear now?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 1:41:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead What part of "bragged about" don't you understand? I'm going to repeat this once more, as you're obviously incapable of getting it through your head, but there's no point taking this any further after this. A politician who has been bragging about how good his reluctance to impose the sort of restrictions that would stop fertiliser plants exploding is getting arsey about a cartoon connecting his mismanagement of the state of Texas to the explosion. He hasn't breathed a word of commiseration for the dead, but he's getting snotty about the suggestion that he might be even indirectly culpable for the fact that nobody in state or federal governance has paid any attention to the plant for half a decade, and is trying to use the fact that people have died in the explosion as an excuse to complain about the cartoonist. Clear now? Crystal. You're full of shit. Thanks for clearing that up for me. You can't point out any regulation that Perry got rid of that would have prevented the explosion. But, you still blame Perry and his de-regulatory policies for the explosion (the part I put in bold above). To your question of what part of "bragged about" I don't understand, well, I completely understand the phrase, but don't understand how it applies to this specific situation. He bragged about low taxes and low levels of regulation. Did any of those lead to the explosion? I don't know if any did or didn't. Do you? Can you show me that his de-regulation led to it? Oh, that's right. Nevermind. You won't. Enjoy.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 4:29:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri By the phrase, "it would have carried a lot more weight," are you saying that what Rick Perry said about the cartoon was correct? Or that it wasn't correct? It was correct, but would have carried more weight if someone more directly harmed by the explosion and fire would have written it. Perry is accountable for the investigation of industrial safety in his state, and apparently they were not looked into very well. That makes his words carry little weight, no matter what he is saying.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/1/2013 7:10:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri By the phrase, "it would have carried a lot more weight," are you saying that what Rick Perry said about the cartoon was correct? Or that it wasn't correct? It was correct, but would have carried more weight if someone more directly harmed by the explosion and fire would have written it. Perry is accountable for the investigation of industrial safety in his state, and apparently they were not looked into very well. That makes his words carry little weight, no matter what he is saying. The site was investigated and fined in 2011 by Texas's State version of the EPA and the EPA itself. Thank you for answering the question, too. My claim all along was that I agreed with Perry's assertion. That wasn't a statement of support for Rick Perry himself, his job as Gov'nuh or anything else. Just that I agreed with his statement regarding the cartoon.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon (5/2/2013 12:49:30 AM)
Have you not learned? It is not what you say, it is who is saying it and whether you are liked.

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