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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 8:28:07 AM   
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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 8:29:09 AM   
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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 8:30:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not saying the airline has the authority to drug him.....He and his travelling party could have arranged it with his doctor in advance and clued in the airline... They should know better.

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 8:31:38 AM   
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WTF...

Just give the guy a patdown and stick him on the plane with an apology for the inconvenience.

"Culture of fear" seems an incredibly apt description right about now.

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Upgrade that to a full cavity search and I`d agree.


They could also explain to the other passengers what this fellow had to go through to get on board.....

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 8:31:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps a sedative may have lowered his stress... or ... a bus or train to Florida where a reasonably priced private air transport could have been reserved.

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 8:35:43 AM   
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Not saying the airline has the authority to drug him.....He and his travelling party could have arranged it with his doctor in advance and clued in the airline... They should know better.

I'm sure the airline doesn't: they could just pump screaming kids making a nuisance of themselves on flights full of downers until the little bastards shut up if they did, couldn't they?

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 9:41:38 AM   
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WTF...

Just give the guy a patdown and stick him on the plane with an apology for the inconvenience.




How about apologizing to the other 100 people on the flight for making their trip miserable? They've paid just as much money for their tickets and shouldn't have to deal with some guy randomly shouting "Bomb" over and over for 5 hours.

As for the "culture of fear" thing. The airline has responsibility to take safety concerns seriously.

The crux of the matter is that he said the "bomb" over and over. He said that he had fixated on the Boston Bombings and that's where the tic came from. For all we know, he had a bomb in his suitcase or piece of cargo and that's why he was focused on it.
Unless you managed to search the entire cargo on hold on top of strip searching him...as the pilot I would have done the same thing.

Not to mention, if some guy is saying "bomb" very loudly over and over again in the passenger cabin, he'd likely be targeted by other passengers thinking that the threat is real or simply out of frustration.



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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 10:07:26 AM   
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Not to mention, if some guy is saying "bomb" very loudly over and over again in the passenger cabin, he'd likely be targeted by other passengers thinking that the threat is real or simply out of frustration.

And the airline would get sued if the other passengers beat him to death with the duty free trolley, I'm sure.


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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 10:08:12 AM   
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No, he didn't. You contact the airline and the airport (or have someone else do it for you), and you explain to them the situation, that you have medical documentation and that you are aware that the more you try to control things and NOT to do things, the more likely they will occur. You ask the airport and the airline how you can work together to make things less stressful for everyone involved.

The young man states how he had an inkling it would happen. He has a medical issue, sure. However, his medical issue doesn't give him the right to make others uncomfortable. This isn't the type of disability that you can tell people to look away from like a physical deformity. People shouldn't have to spend several hours on an airplane with someone who can't refrain from saying "bomb" every few seconds or minutes.

according to the report he did call the airline and who knows what the dipstick he talked to told him, maybe he was told all he needed was his medical docs.. they are giving him new tickets but telling him they cant guarantee he will be able to fly.. that tells me he could try to do everything you say and still be refused on the plane.. so they dont seem to be willing to "work" with him at all (or they would be telling him something totally different).. maybe a different airline would, but this is Jet Blue and there are other airlines i would fly with before them..

He wasnt a threat to anyone, he wasnt a security risk, his medical condition isnt anything he can do a dam thing about.. and yeah, they will swear and say all sorts of things that make people uncomfortable but its nothing they can control, its not like they do it deliberately.. quite frankly, I would rather fly with him sitting next to me than someone taking up their seat and half of mine.. or someone with the screaming baby the whole trip.. imo, there are much worse people to be sitting next to than him.. if making other people uncomfortable is the criteria then maybe those people ("big" people, screaming babies, bratty kids, smelly people, etc) shouldnt be allowed to fly either.. jmo

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mocking the afflicted - 4/30/2013 10:14:59 AM   
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if making other people uncomfortable is the criteria then maybe those people ("big" people, screaming babies, bratty kids, smelly people, etc) shouldnt be allowed to fly either.. jmo

I'm up for that.

Maybe they just feel that the idiot should have booked a couple of seats instead of expecting to have some poor bastard putting up with him screaming in their ear the whole flight? That's fair enough, imo.

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 10:19:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		doubt some dude shouting bomb for a few hours would aid easy digestion. biggest problem i see is children getting upset. i feel sorry for tha dude but tha airline also has a responsibility to their other customers.

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 10:26:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		So now airline personnel should be versed in medical conditions and understand he has tourettes? I don't think so.

There was a show I saw a while back about what goes on daily in an airport, and you know what? A woman was removed from a flight because she smelled so bad.

I'm disabled. When I flew recently, I called the airline and let them know about my disability, and what assistance I needed.

The idea that all the other people on the plane need to listen to him screaming "bomb" because he fixated on the Boston bombing and has tourettes is ridiculous. As Oside said, not only should the other passengers (who also paid for their flight) be subjected to it, but it is a safety risk for HIM.

It IS the airline's responsibility to let parents know if their children are causing a disturbance, if someone has a foul odor, etc.

People with disabilities are entitled to REASONABLE accommodations. Putting him on the plane was not something the PILOT, who is in charge, considered reasonable.

Perhaps the next time he wants to fly, he will be fixated on daisies, although I wouldn't like to hear him repeating that every 5 minutes either.

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 10:26:27 AM   
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doubt some dude shouting bomb for a few hours would aid easy digestion. biggest problem i see is children getting upset. i feel sorry for tha dude but tha airline also has a responsibility to their other customers.

and yet when i fly i have to put up with someone sitting on me or screaming babies? where then is the responsibility to me and other passengers in those situations?

The pilot or stewardess could have announced to everyone on the plane that the passenger had a medical condition he cant control so he says things when he doesnt want to, that he is no security risk, etc and it should be an example of how people could be more tolerant of others less fortunate than them.. it actually could be a good learning situation for any children on the plane (if their parents are smart enough to use it that way)..

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 10:34:05 AM   
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Now for my solution...I saw this in a Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers comic a lifetime or so ago-Fat Freddy had to go back home and couldn't afford a plane ticket. He could afford to ship a dog, so he got a carrier and fur coat. His cunning plan was when they came to inspect it, he'd push the fur coat up against the door and growl a little.

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 10:36:09 AM   
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I'm disabled. When I flew recently, I called the airline and let them know about my disability, and what assistance I needed.

then why say he should have called ahead and all if the people he would be calling dont have a clue?

being disabled, in a wheelchair, being a young child travelling alone, those situations are something airlines deal with on a more regular basis.. I expect they dont get many passengers with tourettes, I dont imagine most people with that condition go very many places at all, i expect they are more like shut-ins cuz wherever they go, they make people feel "uncomfortable".. if people saw and understood the condition, maybe they would just shrug it off like many other things we see every day and shrug off.. but since we dont see that often or at all (I think only one person i have seen had that and they were swearing like crazy).. If you want an intolerant society, then by all means, carry on..

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 10:38:27 AM   
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I'm disabled. When I flew recently, I called the airline and let them know about my disability, and what assistance I needed.

then why say he should have called ahead and all if the people he would be calling dont have a clue?

There's this little thing called "research", though I appreciate that many in this forum appear to find that even less attractive than a warthog with anal herpes.

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 10:40:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		More often than not, the little kids on the plane are not a nuisance. However, I have always been a proponent of making the back of the plane family seating and requiring that people with small children sit there. It really is better anyways. Business travelers pay extra to be up front. They families would be closer to the bathrooms and preboarding the kids doesn't clog up the plane. As a bonus, the back of the plane is the safest place to be in a crash anyways.

As far as sitting on you? Some people do have to buy two tickets, that policy should probably be broadened. I am really tall, and I always get some short prick in front of me insisting they should be able recline their seat bashing in my knees, and they get indignant that they can't recline. As a result I never recline my seat out of courtesy to my fellow passengers. In the end, there is just some shit you have to put up with and thats life.

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 10:43:42 AM   
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doubt some dude shouting bomb for a few hours would aid easy digestion. biggest problem i see is children getting upset. i feel sorry for tha dude but tha airline also has a responsibility to their other customers.

and yet when i fly i have to put up with someone sitting on me or screaming babies? where then is the responsibility to me and other passengers in those situations?

The pilot or stewardess could have announced to everyone on the plane that the passenger had a medical condition he cant control so he says things when he doesnt want to, that he is no security risk, etc and it should be an example of how people could be more tolerant of others less fortunate than them.. it actually could be a good learning situation for any children on the plane (if their parents are smart enough to use it that way)..


You simply don't get it. If someone is sitting on you, then as an adult you could politely ask them to move. If they don't, you ask the flight attendant. If a baby is screaming non-stop, you ask the flight attendant to speak to the parent. Of course, the flight attendant can offer suggestions to the parent on unclogging the baby's ears, which is likely why they are crying to begin with.

There is a difference between inconvenience and intolerance. This man would not have simply inconvienced the other passengers, he would have created a completely intolerable situation. Being confined for 5 hours without even a possibility of relief listening to that is not about being tolerant of those less fortunate.

But really, you can feel free to fly with him any time you choose.

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 10:46:31 AM   
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there is just some shit you have to put up with and thats life.

yes, that was my point.. this person repeating any word (bomb, bananas, swear words) is in the same league as a baby crying.. people dont get kicked off cuz of their baby crying so why should he be treated any differently?

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RE: man with tourettes not allowed to fly - 4/30/2013 10:47:21 AM   
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doubt some dude shouting bomb for a few hours would aid easy digestion. biggest problem i see is children getting upset. i feel sorry for tha dude but tha airline also has a responsibility to their other customers.

and yet when i fly i have to put up with someone sitting on me or screaming babies? where then is the responsibility to me and other passengers in those situations?

yeah there prob is. i cant stand crying babies tha same but two wrongs dont make a right.

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The pilot or stewardess could have announced to everyone on the plane that the passenger had a medical condition he cant control so he says things when he doesnt want to, that he is no security risk, etc and it should be an example of how people could be more tolerant of others less fortunate than them.. it actually could be a good learning situation for any children on the plane (if their parents are smart enough to use it that way)..

what about children that r too young to really understand & folks that experience strong irrational fear flying?

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