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Guantanamo rears its ugly head again. - 4/29/2013 5:12:19 PM   
Politesub53


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Status: offline 		Its a crying shame the President didnt stick to his word and close this place down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22348158

There is a British Muslim, found innocent by officers at the camp, yet still held captive some seven years on.

Why ? Well its because the Americans want him to be sent to Saudi, the land of his birth, rather than the UK. He obtained citizenship here when he married a British woman.
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RE: Guantanamo rears its ugly head again. - 4/30/2013 5:23:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps I am misinformed but I understood the reason for the continuing existence of Gitmo is that there was nowhere to send those current inmates who have been judged innocent. It is well known that Saudi Arabia is not the world's most hospitable place for political dissidents.

If the UK Govt is willing to accept this person, and he is innocent, on what basis are the Americans insisting he be sent to Saudi? If he innocent of any crimes, how does it get to be their choice, rather than his?

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RE: Guantanamo rears its ugly head again. - 4/30/2013 6:15:03 AM   
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Perhaps I am misinformed but I understood the reason for the continuing existence of Gitmo is that there was nowhere to send those current inmates who have been judged innocent. It is well known that Saudi Arabia is not the world's most hospitable place for political dissidents.

If the UK Govt is willing to accept this person, and he is innocent, on what basis are the Americans insisting he be sent to Saudi? If he innocent of any crimes, how does it get to be their choice, rather than his?

Since the entire rationale of the place is that if Uncle Sam says you're guilty, you aren't even entitled to the rights the law gives to convicted murderers in prison, it seems redundant to argue legalisms. As in any other Gulag, the rules are what the man with the big stick says they are.

Once upon a time, in the days of the Soviet Union, a Russian prisoner of conscience went on hunger strike, and the state that the West considered the greatest tyranny gave in and released him. At the same time, prisoners in the UK were on hunger strike, and PM Thatcher stood "resolute" while they died. I don't give much for these people's chances.

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RE: Guantanamo rears its ugly head again. - 4/30/2013 12:21:41 PM   
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RE: Guantanamo rears its ugly head again. - 5/1/2013 6:56:05 AM   
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Perhaps I am misinformed but I understood the reason for the continuing existence of Gitmo is that there was nowhere to send those current inmates who have been judged innocent. It is well known that Saudi Arabia is not the world's most hospitable place for political dissidents.

From reading elsewhere 60 or so were slated to return to Yemen but Obama ruled Yemen unsuitable. Apparently a 'battlefield.'
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RE: Guantanamo rears its ugly head again. - 5/3/2013 3:34:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Its a crying shame the President didnt stick to his word and close this place down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22348158

There is a British Muslim, found innocent by officers at the camp, yet still held captive some seven years on.

Why ? Well its because the Americans want him to be sent to Saudi, the land of his birth, rather than the UK. He obtained citizenship here when he married a British woman.



I cannot understand he didn't, it is a shame and a disgrace.

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RE: Guantanamo rears its ugly head again. - 5/3/2013 6:19:24 PM   
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RE: Guantanamo rears its ugly head again. - 5/4/2013 6:30:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Obama is doing what all presidents do, what they need to do...to stay alive. Half the people there under our captivity have had their charges dropped.

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RE: Guantanamo rears its ugly head again. - 5/4/2013 7:29:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting article:

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2013/may/02/guantanamo-what-obama-can-do/

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RE: Guantanamo rears its ugly head again. - 5/6/2013 4:15:56 AM   
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Obama is doing what all presidents do, what they need to do...to stay alive. Half the people there under our captivity have had their charges dropped.


But they are STILL there!!

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RE: Guantanamo rears its ugly head again. - 5/6/2013 4:17:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Obama is doing what all presidents do, what they need to do...to stay alive. Half the people there under our captivity have had their charges dropped.


But they are STILL there!! Some for 7 years. They are not released.

And what about the other half, held against all laws?



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