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Righty rock - 6/24/2006 10:47:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Stumbled across this.... I don't know how some of the bands on the list would like being on it, but it was interesting to read lol.

Songs 1-50 http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzZkNDU5MmViNzVjNzkzMDE3NzNlN2MyZjRjYTk4YjE=

Songs 51-100 http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZWEzNmQwM2NmZWIwYTFhMGJlZDNlNGE1NWY3NGM4NDg=

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 12:26:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL That was fun to read. I've always been more focused on lyrics than music, as a writer, anyway, so I'm usually guite aware of the possible agenda in music. Some pretty serious subliminal stuff going on, masquerading as music.

There's a reason music and political activism go hand in hand, that's for sure.

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 12:35:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree, cin, it was fun to read. He even provided links where a couple of the artists responded to being on the list, they were bemused more than anything, and Pete Townsend didn't appear to want to be the poster boy for either side of the politcal row.

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 12:39:03 PM   
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Pete Townsend didn't appear to want to be the poster boy for either side of the politcal row.


Wow, colour me shocked! Petey didn't appreciate being named? Go figure!

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 12:45:42 PM   
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He even provided links where a couple of the artists responded to being on the list, they were bemused more than anything


Hmmm, that IS interesting. Let's be honest here, lyrics are rarely accidental, nor are they usually "birthed" in a sterile bubble. I'm really not sure I buy their protestations of innocence.

As a writer I can honestly say that unless I deliberately hide it, my belief system, my ideals and life experiences, my ethical standards, are all going to peep out of my writing like the lace edge of a too-long slip. Not everyone will notice but it'll definitely be showing for those who look for it.

Now, I take into consideration that there is room for subjective interpretation...but still...some of those lyrics would be hard to argue against.

Very interesting. What's your take on that?

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 12:54:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I expect that musicians appreciate being told by this journalist that their anti-establishment, anti-war songs are really 'conservative' about as much as minorities appreciate being lectured on how to act and think by patronizing liberals.

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 12:57:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL Absolutely. Sorry if my comment about Pete didn't come off guite as sarcastic as it sounded in my head, but I agree with you on this.

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 1:15:47 PM   
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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 1:44:53 PM   
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He even provided links where a couple of the artists responded to being on the list, they were bemused more than anything


Hmmm, that IS interesting. Let's be honest here, lyrics are rarely accidental, nor are they usually "birthed" in a sterile bubble. I'm really not sure I buy their protestations of innocence.

As a writer I can honestly say that unless I deliberately hide it, my belief system, my ideals and life experiences, my ethical standards, are all going to peep out of my writing like the lace edge of a too-long slip. Not everyone will notice but it'll definitely be showing for those who look for it.

Now, I take into consideration that there is room for subjective interpretation...but still...some of those lyrics would be hard to argue against.

Very interesting. What's your take on that?


Out of the 100 examples, I saw some that could be conjecture on the article writer's part, some that were definitely open to various interpretations, and I imagine there are a number of artists who show an occasional "conservative" thought, while being very liberal on most things.
 
I would guess that the rock world is probably roughly the same as the movie industry, in terms of the percentage of conservatives versus liberals. Arnold, Bruce Willis, Tom Selleck, Mel Gipson, Robert Duvall, Bo Derek, etc, are either conservatives, or not liberals lol, but the list of liberal Hollywood would go on quite longer, I think.
 
So, yeah, there are some rockers that don't get a hard-on when they look at a tree .

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 2:07:21 PM   
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I saw your tongue stuck firmly in your cheek.


Damn thing just keeps finding it's way there all on its own!

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 2:19:32 PM   
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Out of the 100 examples, I saw some that could be conjecture on the article writer's part, some that were definitely open to various interpretations, and I imagine there are a number of artists who show an occasional "conservative" thought, while being very liberal on most things.

 
Trust you to be able to break it down so efficiently. So, you think the journalist is just working really damn hard to make his point? A lot of the time just catching the artists on their occasional conservative comments, perhaps?

 
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So, yeah, there are some rockers that don't get a hard-on when they look at a tree .


LOL Good thing...if that were the case their productivity would sure be in decline.

Gee, maybe that explains the occasional slumps most artists suffer, huh?

Seriously though, I'm sure there's more than a few rockers who jump on the bandwagon of tree-hugging just for the exposure (no double-entrende intended...really, I swear!). Must seem like a pretty sweet deal to get asked into the elite company of save-the-world rockers when you're just starting out.

Which brings up the question of sincerity in music. One thing I detest is when I don't believe the artist really feels their music. (One reason I love Cyndi Lauper, and dislike Madonna, for example.)

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 2:37:49 PM   
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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 2:42:38 PM   
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Well, that is certainly an interesting list.  Just goes to show you how much people can do with an internet connection and too much time on their hands.
 
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LOL Yes, the "too much time on their hands" occurred to me, too. I'd just love for someone to pay me a nice little paycheque for sitting around checking out song lyrics, and devising all kinds of interesting theories based on my "research". How come no one ever offered me such a job? ::sigh::

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 2:54:35 PM   
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LOL Yes, the "too much time on their hands" occurred to me, too. I'd just love for someone to pay me a nice little paycheque for sitting around checking out song lyrics, and devising all kinds of interesting theories based on my "research". How come no one ever offered me such a job? ::sigh::


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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 3:11:28 PM   
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LOL Yes, the "too much time on their hands" occurred to me, too. I'd just love for someone to pay me a nice little paycheque for sitting around checking out song lyrics, and devising all kinds of interesting theories based on my "research". How come no one ever offered me such a job? ::sigh::


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Sure thing, although how well do you think a dom will take to being an assistant? LOL

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 3:11:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do think the author worked veddddy hard to make his point LOL.  But it goes back to very little being truly black and white, including rock stars opinions. One example is "Get Over It" by the Eagles. Co-written by Don Henley, who is a staunch environmentalist, the song blasts much of the touchy-feeliness embraced by a number of liberals.
 
"i turn on the tubewhat do i see,
a whole lot a people cryin' "don't blame me"
they point their crooked little fingers at everybody else
spend all their time felin' sorry for them selves
victim of this, victim of that
your mommas too thin; and your daddys too fat

get over it
get over it
all this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit

you say ya haven't been the same since ya had your little crash
but you might feel better if they gave you some cash
the more i think about it, ol' billy was right
let's kill all the lawers- kill 'em tonight
you don't wanna work you wanna live like a king
butt the big bad world doesn't owe you a thing

get over it
get over it
ya don't want to play then you might as well split
get over it, get over it

it's like going to confession every time i hear you speak
your makin' the most of your losin' streak
some call it sick, but i call it weak
yeah yeah yeah

yeah you drag it around like a ball an' chain
you wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
you wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
got your mind in the gutter, bringin' everybody down
ya bitch about the present and blame it on the past
i'd like to find your inner child an' kick it's little ass"

I've been called conservative once or twice lol.... but as I like to point out, I'm not, except when I am. To put me in such a limiting box does me a disservice.
 
Regarding your comments on Lauper and Madonna; back in the golden days of Mtv, I considered both of them poseurs, creations of the pop music industry. As time has gone by, I have reconsidered those thoughts. Both are genuine artists, in my opinion, though not really my cup of tea. The one difference in them is that Madonna developed, and maintained a huge stage persona, while Lauper has went the other way. I see Madonna as using a huge pallete, and Lauper as almost a Bohemian in the park, doing breathtaking sketches.
 
I wonder if you take Madonna's "showyness" as a lessening of her value as an artist?
 
Oh, and I gotta give her props for showing some skin-- Lauper never did that, as far as I know .



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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 3:39:05 PM   
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yeah you drag it around like a ball an' chain
you wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
you wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
got your mind in the gutter, bringin' everybody down
ya bitch about the present and blame it on the past
i'd like to find your inner child an' kick it's little ass"



Point taken, and I have to admit I love this verse. As the years go by and I understand the weirdness that is life a little less each year, I have seen myself go from ultra-bleeding-heart-liberal to a more middle-of-the-road stance. After a while, people whining, and pointing fingers, and never getting off their ass to help themselves, does tend to make your heart stop its tendency to bleed upon the slightest provocation.

I do occasionally feel a sense of loss for my idealism. The days when I thought that everything was black-or-white, and turning vegitarian could make a difference in the world. It's a fine line to walk between maturity and cynicism, isn't it?
 
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No, showiness, in itself  wouldn't be enough to make me doubt her sincerity. I just don't see music as being her life's blood and passion. I don't feel moved by her when she performs. I see her constantly finding new personas as an awesome business tactic, but not a true discovery of self.

I saw an interview with her right after her first child was born, and she'd adopted long hair, soft make-up, a played-down, natural look. The interviewer asked her if motherhood had been the reason for her new soft look, and she said, :Oh no, I never really think about what I wear or how I look...it's all just co-incidental."

MmmHmmm...and I have some land in Florida...

I dislike insincerity, and I just sense it whenever I see her. I was one of her fans in the beginning. The Lucky Star days when I thought she was fresh and raw...but she polished herself into something that just seems to have lost its natural beauty.

As for Cyndi...well, to me that lady just bleeds heart and soul for music. Watching her pour out every ounce of sweat and tears into a performance just makes me weak in the knees.

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Oh, and I gotta give her props for showing some skin-- Lauper never did that, as far as I know .




Love Madonna's costumes. Love Cyndi's interesting fuck-fashion style too.

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RE: Righty rock - 6/24/2006 3:49:16 PM   
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yeah you drag it around like a ball an' chain
you wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
you wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
got your mind in the gutter, bringin' everybody down
ya bitch about the present and blame it on the past
i'd like to find your inner child an' kick it's little ass"



Point taken, and I have to admit I love this verse. As the years go by and I understand the weirdness that is life a little less each year, I have seen myself go from ultra-bleeding-heart-liberal to a more middle-of-the-road stance. After a while, people whining, and pointing fingers, and never getting off their ass to help themselves, does tend to make your heart stop its tendency to bleed upon the slightest provocation.

I do occasionally feel a sense of loss for my idealism. The days when I thought that everything was black-or-white, and turning vegitarian could make a difference in the world. It's a fine line to walk between maturity and cynicism, isn't it?

 I guess the trick is keeping an open and warm heart for those with honest need, without being sucked in by the leeches of the world. Not always easy!

Love Madonna's costumes. Love Cyndi's interesting fuck-fashion style too.

I felt no lust toward Lauper back when she was running around with Captain Lou Alabano, but she's grown into a lovely woman.



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