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RE: What is going on in Nevada? - 5/2/2013 5:02:40 PM

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When I lived in SLC back in the '80s-'90s, it was routine for other cities to send them there, on the premise that the LDS church has its own welfare agency. The result was this bizarre pack of homeless people with serious mental issues hanging around downtown.

Should you be talking about the church elders like that?

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RE: What is going on in Nevada? - 5/2/2013 5:08:28 PM

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While it all sounds very touchy-feeling, it's also a great plan to get rid of some homeless people:

Florida city to buy one-way bus tickets for homeless to leave

Homeless people in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., now have an alternative to shelters: A one-way bus ticket out of the city, thanks to a $25,000 program approved by city commissioners on Tuesday.

To qualify, participants must prove they have family in their destination city who is willing to let them move in. Advocates of the Homeless Reunification Program - which is financed not by taxpayers but by the Florida Law Enforcement Trust Fund, which is composed of money confiscated from criminals - told Florida's Sun-Sentinel this gives people living on the streets a second chance they wouldn't be getting otherwise.

"We're not pushing them out," Fort Lauderdale Mayor Jack Seiler said. "If somebody has a network of support, a group of family and friends that will provide for them back home, that's probably a good place for them to be."

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RE: What is going on in Nevada? - 5/2/2013 5:17:02 PM

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The most hilarious quote from the Florida article you cite is the following:

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'You can't summer in the Hamptons'
Vice Mayor Bobby DuBose was the only Fort Lauderdale commissioner who voted against the program, reported The Sun-Sentinel, expressing concerns the program could be abused and used as a cheap means for vacation.
A police spokesman denied that possibility.
"We're trying to get people off the streets and get them into a healthy, positive, environment," said spokesman Travis Mandell, reported The Sun-Sentinel. "This is not to be used as a vacation for a homeless person. You can't summer in the Hamptons and winter in Fort Lauderdale."

No wonder we are not making headway on issues of mental health and homelessness. Thoughtful solutions are clearly lacking.

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RE: What is going on in Nevada? - 5/2/2013 5:43:15 PM

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I have a friend who does indeed have seasonal work in New York in the summer and goes to South Florida in the winter, where he is often homeless. It's not the picnic pictured by Travis Mandell.

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RE: What is going on in Nevada? - 5/2/2013 5:49:14 PM

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I have a friend who does indeed have seasonal work in New York in the summer and goes to South Florida in the winter, where he is often homeless. It's not the picnic pictured by Travis Mandell.

Yes indeed. Which is why the quote is so hilarious. The notion of homeless people being on vacation seems to pretty clearly indicate that they don't really understand homelessness to begin with. Or a vacation for that matter. Again, no wonder our policies on some of these issues are so limited. Sorry to hear about your friend. It is a true travesty in our country today that anyone should have to be homeless. Those who believe in god, be mindful. We will be judged for how we treated the homeless....

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RE: What is going on in Nevada? - 5/2/2013 6:46:26 PM

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Hmm, someone blaming the Democrats for Nevada shipping mentally ill patients out of state...

Lets see, Nevada has a republican governor and legislature, how are the democrats responsible?

No one in this thread blamed Democrats.

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Ah, that explain why Harry Reid is in Washington, DC.

Then I took this statement wrong.

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RE: What is going on in Nevada? - 5/2/2013 6:49:37 PM

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Hmm, someone blaming the Democrats for Nevada shipping mentally ill patients out of state...

Lets see, Nevada has a republican governor and legislature, how are the democrats responsible?

No one in this thread blamed Democrats.

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Ah, that explain why Harry Reid is in Washington, DC.

Then I took this statement wrong.

I took that as a not so subtle dig that Reid is insane.

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RE: What is going on in Nevada? - 5/2/2013 9:42:58 PM

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When I lived in SLC back in the '80s-'90s, it was routine for other cities to send them there, on the premise that the LDS church has its own welfare agency. The result was this bizarre pack of homeless people with serious mental issues hanging around downtown.

Should you be talking about the church elders like that?

Not the first time I've heard that one. You shoulda met W.O.R.M., he was a local legend. Got busted once for putting a bra on the statue of Brigham Young, while wearing a Jesus smock with his hair cut into horns. In broad daylight during the height of tourist season. And he was but one of many.

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RE: What is going on in Nevada? - 5/2/2013 9:55:33 PM

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its not just the mentaly ill that get shipped out in the hospitials if the patients are not citizens and can not pay they flythem back to their home country instead of providing treatment

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RE: What is going on in Nevada? - 5/2/2013 11:13:00 PM

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The US needs a health insurance which is free for all people that need help

- as simple as that is the solution (if there ever is a simple solution) -

and a mindset reprogramming: giving/paying for that is so much greater than receiving...

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RE: What is going on in Nevada? - 5/3/2013 5:22:37 AM

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The US needs a health insurance which is free for all people that need help

- as simple as that is the solution (if there ever is a simple solution) -

and a mindset reprogramming: giving/paying for that is so much greater than receiving...

I think the powers that be have been trying to work out some sort of health insurance plan, but mental health seems to be in a different category. If one is physically sick, one can still get medical care - even those who show up an emergency room with no money or insurance. The hospitals are required by law to treat them. But mental health is different, probably due to society's perceptions of it. There's a certain stigma about it, along with the view that it's the person's fault that he's mentally ill. Many hold similar views about the homeless, that "it's their fault, so fuck 'em!"

Even those who have private pay insurance plans - one might be entitled to any number of medical treatments and care, but mental health is treated more as an afterthought and a bastard step-child in the world of health insurance.

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RE: What is going on in Nevada? - 5/3/2013 6:16:20 AM

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If one is physically sick, one can still get medical care - even those who show up an emergency room with no money or insurance. The hospitals are required by law to treat them. But mental health is different, probably due to society's perceptions of it. There's a certain stigma about it, along with the view that it's the person's fault that he's mentally ill. Many hold similar views about the homeless, that "it's their fault, so fuck 'em!"

Even those who have private pay insurance plans - one might be entitled to any number of medical treatments and care, but mental health is treated more as an afterthought and a bastard step-child in the world of health insurance.

Here in Germany and probably the rest of Europe, you get help if your are sick or have mental health problems.
If the help is always good for the patient is another question, but they are not sent away in busses !!!

One fact I don't understand is, what "defect" could be so serious to be that "it's their fault"? Alzheimer can get anyone (is that mentally ill? - no one can heal/cure that!) - like me if I'm searching for the right words, due to the fact that I learned my englisch only at school.

I can go to any doctor I want and if I'm totally disordered I'm send to a special clinic: Where I can try to run away and one clinic has a bus-stop, where never ever stops a bus, just to get the patients back when they sit there and wait for it. (So the bus-stop is a "trap")

Maybe we are different, but some (once the country got a new setup) have learned from history: Once there was a dictator who also "got rid of people" and killed Millions - and ...

I know it's never good to compare such things, but sometimes it's helpful

My fear is, that most of the habits (good/bad) from the US will show up here and yes we also have too many Lobbyist who look only for their advantage.

So if you are not stopping that system, you will inflict damage to me - and the rest of the world!

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