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peppermint -> Raising Chickens (5/9/2013 8:51:01 PM)

After several years of asking and begging Gary finally let me have some chickens.  I have 7 easter egg chicks about a month old.  We built a chicken coop and run.  Bought waterer and food dishes.  Bought special chick food, dried meal worms for treats, wood chips, straw, and a light to keep them warm at night.  Now I just have to wait 4 or 5 months (crosses fingers) to finally get some eggs.  They'll be green shelled eggs like the ones I saw when I went to the PA state farm when my kids were little.  I have always wanted a chickens that lay green eggs. 

I plan to have them at least free range part of the time, probably when I am there to supervise.  We have a pair of red tailed hawks and it'll be a little while before the chicks are big enough to be ignored by the hawks.  For now I'm keeping them in the run.

Since I'm a city girl and this is my first attempt at livestock I was wondering if anyone has some tips and advice.  I need them to lay as fast as possible to hopefully get some eggs before we head south in Oct.  What's the best way to feed them so they grow up as fast as possible?  I know I'm being impatient but I sure would love to see them laying before we take off for the winter.




MasterCaneman -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/9/2013 9:11:58 PM)

Here you go: Raising Chickens
When I was little, we'd go down to my dad's family in Pennsylvania, and his sister raised chickens. All I remember is you have to make sure they have enough calcium in their diet or they cannibalize their eggs. Aracuanas are cool birds and the eggs are something to see. Best of luck.




TheHeretic -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/9/2013 9:12:48 PM)

Speaking as someone who has neighbors with chickens, I suggest keeping any damn roosters quiet.




DarkSteven -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/9/2013 9:15:26 PM)

Have you bought only females, or are they mixed sex?




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/9/2013 9:15:57 PM)

Don't get me started on roosters
A little story.




TheHeretic -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/9/2013 9:36:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

Don't get me started on roosters
A little story.



You have no idea how much I needed the good laugh that gave me.

Thanks!




Hillwilliam -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/9/2013 9:41:36 PM)

I assume you will have ham with those green eggs.




Duskypearls -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/9/2013 9:55:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

Don't get me started on roosters
A little story.


Oh Lawd, Malcolm, that was painfully cute. Think I want to be a cockaholic when I grow up.




peppermint -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/9/2013 9:56:19 PM)

Mine are not true Aracuanas, but are really mutts that carry the gene for colored eggs.  I'm planning on putting all our egg shells in there for them to eat and somewhere I read that you can feed the yogurt.  That should help with the calcium. 




peppermint -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/9/2013 10:01:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Have you bought only females, or are they mixed sex?


The first three I got at the feed store and they have been sexed which means that 90% are hens.  The other 4 came from Gary's sister so they might all be roosters and end up in the stew pot.  One is already standoffish and makes a lot of noise so I'm assuming it's probably a rooster. 




peppermint -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/9/2013 10:02:16 PM)

OMG!!!!!  That was soooo funny now but must have been terrifying for a boy. 




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/9/2013 11:14:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: peppermint

I'm planning on putting all our egg shells in there for them to eat


Don't do that unless you crush up the shells really fine so they don't know what it is.

You can actually teach a chicken to eat it's own eggs by feeding it shells that still look like eggs.

Try this book: http://www.amazon.com/Joy-Keeping-Chickens-Ultimate-Raising/dp/1602393133

It will tell you just about anything you need to know.




Phoenixpower -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/10/2013 2:51:01 AM)

I only remember that grandmas chickens used to get some of left over foods from her as well like cooked potato skin (think it were the cooked one) as well as old dry bread which she softened for them...and whatever else...

her chicken got spoiled and as I realised when she moved to parents due to ill health, she didn't eat chicken at all...never noticed that until then...




DomKen -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/10/2013 3:01:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: peppermint

Mine are not true Aracuanas, but are really mutts that carry the gene for colored eggs.  I'm planning on putting all our egg shells in there for them to eat and somewhere I read that you can feed the yogurt.  That should help with the calcium. 

As someone else said you need to grind any shels down so it is not recognizable as a shell. A better alternative, if they don't get enough calcium from foraging, is to get chicken feed with ground up oyster shells.

Keep in mind that chickens can fly, a little, and can get spooked easily so if you let them out you should have plenty of space or you should clip their wings.

Chickens are fairly sensitive to heat and humidity so if it gets very hot and humid they'll need a fan or something in the coop.

BTW the October deadline, will someone take care of them over the winter? A laying hen can be productive for 3 or 4 years.





peppermint -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/10/2013 7:57:27 AM)


Gary has 26 acres here.  More than enough room for a few chickens to run around.  His son-in-law got chickens this year which is why I could have chickens.  I never had anywhere to keep them for the winter before.  However, he doesn't want to over winter too many chickens which is why I am limited to just 2. 




mnottertail -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/10/2013 8:10:20 AM)

Study the stuff on chicken online  (I got books, but they lay based on light so you gotta check that) I havent looked at where you are at, but you will need to get some small straw bales and use them for the coop in the winter, one of the worst problem chickens have in captivity is their feet, they might freeze off, the rest not so bad, so they need coop straw and run straw, and clean.  And lots of fresh cold water, believe it or not.

You will use a bulb or something for heat, if you can set it up with an infrared and a daylight that you can switch for enough light, you can still get some fair egg production in the winter. 




chatterbox24 -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/10/2013 8:13:37 AM)

I love chickens. My parents have the cutest chicken house and I can watch them walking around in the chicken pen for the longest time.
They get some of the green eggs, brown mostly. Even a few blues. I heard a story you can tell what color the eyes would be on a chicken by looking at a part on their comb, or around their eyes, not sure which now.
No real advice on this one, other then feed them the best commercial feed on the market and scraps.


Nothing like chicken and noodles with fresh eggs, the color and taste is a lot better.

BUT MY GOD! I noticed this with fresh eggs from my moms. Peeling for deviled eggs was an absolute bitch! THe shell sticks to the white, and makes for the most frustrating peel, not to mention a hideously ugly tore up egg LOL.

I am not sure what the chickens lacked in their diet to make them so much more hard to peel then store bought eggs.




MercTech -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/10/2013 8:42:48 AM)

If you find your hens need some calcium supplement you can just get some cuttlefish bone from the pet section of WalMart and ignore the expensive special feed.




FrostedFlake -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/10/2013 11:36:57 AM)

For reference, Google map these coordinates.

43°13'44.99" N 124°22'56.71" W

The green arrow points at a former pillow of mine. Over half a mile north is a chicken coop. The roosters that lived there were very well known to me. But what in hell ya gonna do.

But then, the guy who lives at the foot of my driveway get himself some chickens. Please note, the tradition in the neighborhood was to pretend no one else lived anywhere nearby. We were all out there by ourselves. Suddenly, I am being woke at a quarter to four, every goddam day. My neighbor, who I had always shown respect to in the past, had taken to punching me in the ear in the middle of the night so he could have a free lunch. He really didn't like it when I introduced myself and explained why I had introduced myself. He instantly insisted I go away and stop bothering him. Things went downhill from there. Even though I spent cash to have twentyfive hens delivered in the mail. HIS mail. I made no traction at all.

Fortunately, I don't live there anymore.

Bottom line, no one wants to hear your goddamn chickens. And it is easy for you to make sure they don't. But you have to want to do that, or you wont.

Do you? Or are your neighbors all assholes?

Getting to the advice. Since the 1930's, the Post Office has been delivering chickens. So you don't need a rooster to get them, you just have to willing to pay for them. How much? It varies, but figure about the price of a dozen eggs, each. There are two ways to order chickens, straight run or pullets. Pullets have been examined and judged female. Straight run are less expensive, because they have not been sexed, and around half are cocks. There are also two kinds of chickens. Sex link, and everything else.

A sex link breed is a cross between two other breeds. Classic example is the Barred Plymouth Rock crossed with the Rhode Island Red. The resulting chicks are easy to sex, because the males are light and the females are dark. This way, you can avoid raising cocks very easily. While it is true hens will sometimes crow if there isn't a cock already doing that, they really aren't very good at it. A strong rooster can pollute 1200 acres with his challenge. And It IS a challenge. Not a friendly "Howyadoin?" A peacock makes as much noise, but doesn' bother people very much at all.

Next thought is, did you know that a Cornish Game hen is actually a young male chicken? These birds are not so much harvested as culled. Because they don't lay eggs. You can cull your cocks, too, and there is no reason to feel bad about it. You are raising food. You have to kill it before you can eat it. If, god forbid, you are raising pets, then you still have no excuse to own a rooster, any more than you would have excuse to own a constantly barking dog.

Next is How to Kill a chicken. It is best to learn this before you cut your thumb off with a hatchet. It is simple once you have seen it. You get a 4"x4" post and stick itin the ground somewhere near but out of sight of the coop. You fasten a sheet of heavy plastic to the post in the shape of a cone, point down, with a hole in the bottom big enough for the chickens' head. Position the cone so the top is about waist high. Sharpen your knife well, stick it in the top of the post. Go get a chicken. Don't clue the bird in. Walk over to the post and dump the bird into the cone headfirst. Now the bird cant struggle, and make you whack yourself. Take your very sharp knife and slice the neck about 3/4 the way through. This leaves the spinal nerves intact. That allows the heart to keep going until the bird is empty. The bird loses consciousness as quickly, take the head off or not. The difference is in the quality of the meat. Then take the cord I didn't mention yet and tie it into a circle about a foot in diameter. Create a loop/cinch and tighten it around the chickens feet. Use the stick I haven't mentioned yet to lift the chicken and dip it for about a minuet into the large stockpot of 145 degree water that I haven't mentioned yet. Then hang the chicken to dry. After this, plucking the bird is pretty easy. Then, you have to gut the animal and then cut it to little tiny bits.

Sex link chickens for sale : http://www.cacklehatchery.com/blacksexlinkpage.html

Martin Yang shows how to debone chicken in seconds : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHmyAoY-HrA

"Dear lord, if we cannot have the chicken without the crow, could we, at least, have that one for dinner?"
A morning prayer, by William Shakespeare.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Raising Chickens (5/10/2013 12:14:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24



BUT MY GOD! I noticed this with fresh eggs from my moms. Peeling for deviled eggs was an absolute bitch! THe shell sticks to the white, and makes for the most frustrating peel, not to mention a hideously ugly tore up egg LOL.

I am not sure what the chickens lacked in their diet to make them so much more hard to peel then store bought eggs.

The eggs are too fresh.
Very fresh eggs are really hard to peel.
Leave them in the fridge for a week or 2 first and they should peel like 'store bought' eggs.




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