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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 3:07:03 AM   
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" Was not motivated by political bias ".. I guess that's why they only targeted conservative groups. Using the IRS in this way was one of the reasons that Nixon was in trouble and impeached. What a crock.


Not to put too fine a point on it but Pres. Nixon was never impeached; leaving Slick Willy as the only president of the 20th century to wear that dubious distinction.



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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 3:44:30 AM   
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Not to put too fine a point on it but Pres. Nixon was never impeached; leaving Slick Willy as the only president of the 20th century to wear that dubious distinction.

True. Though he did have his own dubious distinction of being the only President in all of U.S. history to resign in disgrace.

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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 6:52:18 AM   
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Not to put too fine a point on it but Pres. Nixon was never impeached; leaving Slick Willy as the only president of the 20th century to wear that dubious distinction.

True. Though he did have his own dubious distinction of being the only President in all of U.S. history to resign in disgrace.

And he resigned because he was going to be impeached and removed from office.

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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 6:53:47 AM   
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" Was not motivated by political bias ".. I guess that's why they only targeted conservative groups. Using the IRS in this way was one of the reasons that Nixon was in trouble and impeached. What a crock.


Not to put too fine a point on it but Pres. Nixon was never impeached; leaving Slick Willy as the only president of the 20th century to wear that dubious distinction.

The GOP has twice impeached a sitting President. Both were political exercises having nothing to do with the good of the nation but simply political maneuvering. It is not something to be proud of.

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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 8:26:13 AM   
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" Was not motivated by political bias ".. I guess that's why they only targeted conservative groups. Using the IRS in this way was one of the reasons that Nixon was in trouble and impeached. What a crock.


Not to put too fine a point on it but Pres. Nixon was never impeached; leaving Slick Willy as the only president of the 20th century to wear that dubious distinction.



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Yeah, he knew he was a dead duck not just for impeachment, but being removed from office, so to save his pension and such he resigned....

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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 8:41:20 AM   
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If they could prove that someone in the Obama administration told the IRS to do this, which is what Nixon did, then you could make a point, but there is no evidence, no smoking gun, showing higher ups ordered this.

Non profit groups operate under tight tax rules, it doesn't matter who they are, and under the law any kind of non profit, whether it is religious or secular, are supposed to limit their political activities. Because of citizens united, a lot of overtly political groups are filing for non profit status and using that as a dodge for overt political activity while not having to pay taxes. The Koch Brothers are funding many of the so called grassroots tea party movements that have filed this way, which among other things allows the Koch Brothers to deduct what is being used for political reasons as a charitable/non profit donation.

Non profits can advocate on issues, but they are not supposed to support candidates or actively work at lobbying. When Catholic priests or Bishops speak in their official capacity and say things like their parishioners should vote for the republicans because of their stance on abortions and gays, they are violating the law, the hillbilly evangelical preacher who says God tells them to vote GOP, is doing the same thing...frankly a lot of clergy if the government wasn't so chicken shit would be in deep trouble. On the other hand, saying that abortion or same sex marriage is against their faiths teachings and take that into consideration at the polls is fine. A non profit can do non partisan political work, like get out the vote efforts or drive people to the polls, but they cannot do it partisanly (they cannot agree only to drive republicans or democrats to the polls). They cannot operate, as more then a few evangelical churches have been caught doing, having phone banks calling people to tell them to vote for candidates, because that is electioneering.

It has been abused a lot by people across the spectrum, but it has become especially prevalent with the tea party acting as a front for the Koch Brothers and other well heeled donors, and they are abusing the regs, same with the religious right with their zeal to be true blue GOP.Citizens united made it much worse, because now you have billions of dollars to spend, and being fronted through supposed non profits to both mask where it is coming from (WSJ did an article about the Tea Party groups, 70% of their funding is the Koch brothers and a handful of other uber rich folks), and also to give illegal tax donations for political work, which is not a valid deduction.

The irony is those rules were put in place to stop abuse of the non profits. By making those rules the idea was that politicians couldnt use their tax exampt status as a tool to force them to work for them, they couldn't say "campaign for me, support me, or I'll pull your exemption", if non profits can 't do that, then they have no pull; likewise, non profits that get government funds to run programs could be blackmailed the same way, if they were able to electioneer. You already see it with the religious right in a sense, they so totally sold their soul to the GOP that they have been amazingly silent (or worse) supporting the Ayn Rand party line, including demonizing the poor as lazy and not wanting to work, which last I checked, is not what the Bible says, all because the GOP supports their stance on social issues like abortion, same sex marriage and prayer in schools. It was designed to keep the work of non profits shielded from politics in the first place. It is being abused, and I don't care whether it is left wing, right wing or no wing, they should be clamping down on this, and if needed, pulling tax exempt status.

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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 9:28:29 AM   
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But it's OK because your guy is in power now???



That's exactly right.

My first thought, when I came upon the story this morning, was that this was straight Nixon shit. Of course, the version I read didn't include the ridiculous quote about political bias playing no role.




Did Nixon make jokes about punishing his enemies with IRS audits? Cause, ya know, in 2009, Mr. Obama did.

Can we really afford a lack of legitimacy in our tax system because of things like this?


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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 9:49:17 AM   
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Sure we can afford the illegitimacy,  look at the W tax breaks and others that went before. 



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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 10:11:20 AM   
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Sure we can afford the illegitimacy,  look at the W tax breaks and others that went before. 





Look at Italy where cheating on your taxes is a national past-time. Do we really want that? I thought that our national past-time was baseball.

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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 10:19:37 AM   
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Yeah, he knew he was a dead duck not just for impeachment, but being removed from office, so to save his pension and such he resigned....


This brings to mind a fun bit of historical trivia. "NIXON RESIGNS" was only the second time in the NYT's long history that the good gray lady broke out the 96-point type.



Anyone know what the first time was? (Hint: It wasn't political.)

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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 2:18:23 PM   
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Update:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-watchdog-senior-irs-officials-knew-2011-tea-parties-tax-exempt-status-being-targeted

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WASHINGTON (AP) — IRS watchdog: Senior IRS officials knew in 2011 tea parties' tax-exempt status being targeted.


Nothing political about this at all.

And DC:

1. Man lands on moon
2. Nixon Resigns
3. U.S. Attacked
4. Obama

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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 2:23:44 PM   
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And DC:

1. Man lands on moon
2. Nixon Resigns
3. U.S. Attacked
4. Obama


Brava, Aylee!

Here's the very first one:



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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 4:15:59 PM   
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That's like saying it was Ambassador Steven's fault he was brutally murdered


Are there murders that are not brutal?

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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 4:32:55 PM   
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Look at Italy where cheating on your taxes is a national past-time. Do we really want that? I thought that our national past-time was baseball.



I did too when I was 12.
I am not 12 anymore and I know that the natioal pastime in the u.s. is fucking the irs.

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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 4:59:35 PM   
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Look at Italy where cheating on your taxes is a national past-time. Do we really want that? I thought that our national past-time was baseball.



I did too when I was 12.
I am not 12 anymore and I know that the natioal pastime in the u.s. is fucking the irs.



Interesting.

I am honest on my tax forms. The people that I associate with are also honest on their tax forms. Perhaps you are hanging out with the wrong type of people.

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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 6:01:54 PM   
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Not to put too fine a point on it but Pres. Nixon was never impeached; leaving Slick Willy as the only president of the 20th century to wear that dubious distinction.

True. Though he did have his own dubious distinction of being the only President in all of U.S. history to resign in disgrace.



Actually....Clinton`s unsuccessful impeachment is a badge of honor considering newty and the other adulterers behind it.


President Clinton had some of the highest approval rating at the time......while the cons were going down........and haven`t stopped going down and are now single digits......

One should also keep how the gop ran interference for bin-laden, in the months leading up to the 9/11 attacks.....

The nixon reference are truly retarded......




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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 6:03:13 PM   
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Not to put too fine a point on it but Pres. Nixon was never impeached; leaving Slick Willy as the only president of the 20th century to wear that dubious distinction.

True. Though he did have his own dubious distinction of being the only President in all of U.S. history to resign in disgrace.



Actually....Clinton`s unsuccessful impeachment is a badge of honor considering newty and the other adulterers behind it.


President Clinton had some of the highest approval rating at the time......while the cons were going down........and haven`t stopped going down and are now single digits......

One should also keep how the gop ran interference for bin-laden, in the months leading up to the 9/11 attacks.....

The nixon reference are truly retarded......


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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 6:29:27 PM   
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IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups

From the article:
Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias. After her talk, she told The AP that no high level IRS officials knew about the practice. She did not say when they found out.


Today's story:

IRS officials knew of agents’ tea party targeting in 2011

Washington (CNN) - – Officials at the Internal Revenue Service knew in June 2011 that their agents were targeting conservative groups for additional scrutiny on tax documents, an inspector general report expected to be released next week is expected to say. A congressional source familiar with the inquiry told CNN this on Saturday, confirming information first reported by the Associated Press.

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Give it a few days and the next report will be that the officials knew about it and specifically ordered it.



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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 7:09:58 PM   
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IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups

From the article:
Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias. After her talk, she told The AP that no high level IRS officials knew about the practice. She did not say when they found out.


Today's story:

IRS officials knew of agents’ tea party targeting in 2011

Washington (CNN) - – Officials at the Internal Revenue Service knew in June 2011 that their agents were targeting conservative groups for additional scrutiny on tax documents, an inspector general report expected to be released next week is expected to say. A congressional source familiar with the inquiry told CNN this on Saturday, confirming information first reported by the Associated Press.

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Give it a few days and the next report will be that the officials knew about it and specifically ordered it.







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RE: IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups - 5/11/2013 7:21:04 PM   
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wasnt that the time they were checking out acorn and others?

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