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So, what is the solution? Or is this a solution looking for a problem? Is the 'illegal' immigration of labor just a free market issue spawned by globilization and to be tolerated? Or is it a job killing issue like outsourcing that is destroying our working class? If the latter shouldn't it be stopped? Doesn't labor protectionism seem proper? Just asking.
The mass immigration is a function of the imperialism you advocate, much as it is in the EU, where countries like France, England and Spain are paying for their colonial conduct yet today.
This imperialism is akin to a great pyramid scheme, where the imperialist must divy up the spoils to pacify his population, much as the Romans had to provide grain and circuses to mollify their plebes. Once these home nations become great welfare states, their population becomes dependent on the ruling class largess, to the extent where they are incapable of supporting themselves or providing the military forces needed for further imperialism. Rome, who as a republic could have their military utterly defeated and yet could in a day form five legions in successful defense of the city against the victors became a welfare state where only fifty men were found who could legally wield weapons and stand to fight the foreign invaders under the latter emperors.
And each further enhancement of the welfare state, requires greater imperialism, as the welfare state becomes greater, fewer of the plebes are fit to expand it, and foreign mercenaries, people of f the occupied lands and proxies become of greater importance.
A nation where foreign slaves did the work, foreign craftsman produced the good,s foreign merchants and businesses controlled the commerce, and a handful of the aristocratic elite functioned as the ruling class, while the citizens became welfare dependent mobs, necessarily disarmed and disenfranchised.
In the United States and in England you see a similar course, where the government attempts to hand out resources and monies it not longer can afford to a growing class of dole recipients who produce little, have meager skills or technical education, consume great amounts, and whose only political motivation is legislate their class and economic status far beyond their actual importance to their nation.
Into this mix comes those displaced as the result of this imperialism, who are able and willing to do the work the plebes of today cannot do, and who are culturally able to live a economic lifestyle considerably more meager then that acceptable to the local remnants of the working class. Added to this is that they are able to accumulate the capital to form small businesses and craft and trades, a thing the resident plebes must struggle against both their current culture and oppressive taxation and regulation to do.
Finally, and most important to this decay, these immigrants are accustomed to the highly repressive colonial regimes and police states needed for this imperialism, and are able to function quite well and certainly better then the natives under the growing authoritarian thumbs of the aristocratic ruling class in the imperial mother land.
And in these cases, the ruling classes are entirely promiscuous, much as the Roman elites staffed their military, commercial, and government with those foreign to Rome, the United States corporations staff their meat plants, farms and such with these foreign refugees, and in England many of the work formerly performed by the English commoners is now done to an increasing extent by people from their empire and colonial remnants, while foreigners are the investors and businessmen.
Eventually the "tipping point" is reached, where the imperialistic nation is first reduced militarily and economically and then is forcibly faced with these impossible social, economic and political contradictions, and the ruling class can no longer play the plebes (who become little more than dole receiving drones, incapable of either productive work or military service) against the new working and middle classes.
The basic history of this is played out worldwide, Rome, the Turks, imperial China, Spain, etc. are there to see.
Most of those arriving in the UK have nothing to do with countries of the Empire. The reason they arrive is they are prepared to work for lower wages. capitalism has always looked to keep wages as low as possible by whatever means. Slave labour, child labour, cheap labour and finally outsourcing. Thats why much of the UK`s manufacturing industry has vanished. Other nations now do it cheaper.
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My point above was that the theory should match the reality on the ground. If you would care to defend the position that America is a nation of plebes being fed bread and circuses, have at it. If you have issue with my position that we had a strong working class until technology, globalization, outsourcing of jobs, and undocumented immigration wrecked havoc upon us and created a wider wealth disparity than ever before, have at it. If you have nothing to contribute to the discourse except some snarky remark then I politely invite you to butt out. 
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